Fasting

[Mountain]

why torture yourself sweetie? good food is one of the simple pleasures of life.

Who said anything about torturing yourself? Once again you're off base.

Applesauce - are you formally educated or self taught and your profession is what?

 

[Applesauce]

And as far as the parasite talk.... unless you are in a third world country, or have been recently/regularly drink water you shouldn't, chances are you don't have parasites. And if you do, fasting, "cleansing" products aren't going to help you. I need to laugh at these infomercials trying to scare people into thinking they have sludge incrusted with tapeworms in their intestines.

 

[genkisan]

I don't do multi day fasts, but I only usually eat one meal a day, and am usually always at least a little bit hungry.......it's a healthy thing, IMHO....it's a dietary philosophy I got from Tenzing Norgay.

I have a couple spoons of yogurt with my vitamins in the AM, a big honkin coffee and then nothing till dinner time.

 

[Mountain]

I don't do multi day fasts, but I only usually eat one meal a day, and am usually always at least a little bit hungry.......it's a healthy thing, IMHO....it's a dietary philosophy I got from Tenzing Norgay.

In general most people in the US overeat and a contributing factor to their health problems in addition to what it is that they're eating.

Simple eating promotes higher thinking. They've shown that the greater variety of food that you eat at one time promotes overeating. Shit...just watch Oversize Me...the dude was having clinical liver issues, and this before the 30 days was up with the doctor warning him to stop, from a steady diet at McDonalds so does that mean like if you only eat McDonalds once a month it's OK?

 

[Mountain]

Did you know body builders who cut weight before competitions can have testosterone levels in the range of a castrate? ZERO sex drive. Fasting is not a healthy act in the long term. Simply put, bodily functions, hormones etc rely on the right sources of food. People starve unwillingly across the world, leave it to us fat people with all the food we can ever want to conclude that starving yourself for extended periods is HELPING the body.

Cutting weight before a competition is not fasting. People starving unwillingly is not fasting. Fasting is not starving. I've never had a problem putting weight back on.

 

[walt cunningham]

hey mount,i've only gone a few days, just curious, what vitamins(if any) do you recommend?
30+ days, now thats hardcore, and to be carrying wood, bravo!

 

[Señor Chang]

Mountain I agree with you completely.
I think that the OP and the like minded contributors are past the weight lifting dietician standardized american diet mentality.
I'd like to contribute but the anti-topic peeps will just wear down the thread.

At any rate keep on doing the right thing!

 

[Applesauce]

I won't "bring the thread down" anymore with my healthy diet nonsense. What I will say for those looking to cleanse the body.... eat FIBER. And a lot of it. Probably the best thing you can do to rid your body of toxins would be to consume a good amount of fiber along with more h2o than you think you can handle.

 

[Mountain]

hey mount,i've only gone a few days, just curious, what vitamins(if any) do you recommend?
30+ days, now thats hardcore, and to be carrying wood, bravo!

Honestly I wouldn't take any vitamins. Maybe look at doing some type of greenfood based program like wheat/barley grass or green/blue green algae's instead of vitamins. You can approach fasting/cleansing a lot of different ways. I do think that most of the retail cleansing products are pretty useless. This is something you should approach with care, planning, research and commitment.

As for the 30+ day thing...always thought he was a bit nuts but he did it every year. That was on spirulina though. I do know some peeps that have done some very long water fasts. This is not an endurance thing and longer is not necessarily better.

I think that the OP and the like minded contributors are past the weight lifting dietician standardized american diet mentality.

I was gonna post about the body building mentality and contrary to what we're talking about. Most people in general are totally ignorant about cleansing and fasting.

I won't "bring the thread down" anymore with my healthy diet nonsense.

Healthy diet stuff is not nonsense and nobody is disagreeing with that. It's ridiculous to think that cleansing/fasting is the answer to everyone's health problems but has it's place and nothing can replace it. What you eat and how you rebuild is more important than the cleanse/fast itself IMO.

 

[longearedfriend]

And I apologize, but the best thing for your body is definitely not to fast. Unless it is for spiritual purposes, you are putting your body under stress it doesn't need. All of this "toxins", "parasites", "colon cleanse" is a snake oil concept. EAT RIGHT, EAT THROUGHOUT THE DAY TO KEEP YOUR BLOOD SUGAR STABLE AND APPETITE UNDER CONTROL AND THRIVE.

do you have any proof(s) to support your claims ?

 

[SpasticGramps]

There is quite a bit of promising studies about the health benefits of Intermittent Fasting and Every-other-day fasting. Some of the benefits are increased testosterone, muscle sparing/fat burning and life extension. I employ both along with a modified Paleo diet. A great sight to learn about IF is leangains.com. Hope this helps.

That's really interesting. I'm going to look into it.

I'm one of those that eats 5 meals a day. 4 real food meals and a shake. Lift hard and eat clean. I don't know that I would want to fast for an extended period of time, but this Intermittent Fasting sounds interesting. Cool thread.

 

[Bionic]

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3. Myth: Eat small meals to keep blood sugar levels under control.


Truth

According to legions of diet and health "experts," eating small meals every so often will help you avoid hunger pangs, provide you with stable energy throughout the day and keep you mentally sharp. Contrary to what many people seem to believe, blood sugar is extremely well-regulated and maintained within a tight range in healthy people. It does not swing wildly up and down like a chimpanzee on meth and it doesn't plummet from going a few hours without food. Or even a full day without food. Or a week without food for that matter.

People seem to believe they will suffer severe hunger and mental impairment from not eating every so often. Consider for a second the evolutionary consequences for survival if this was true. Given that regular periods of fasting, even famine, was a natural part of our past, do you think we'd be here today if we were unable to function when obtaining food was most critical? I have seen healthy young males, bodybuilders nonetheless, complain of lethargy and mental haze if they didn't get to eat for a few hours. It's completely absurd. But I digress...

Maintaining blood sugar is of very high priority and we have developed efficient pathways that will make it happen even under extreme conditions. If you were to fast for 23 hrs and then go for a 90 min run at 70-75% VO2max, your blood sugar after the run would be identical to the same run performed in the fed state. It would take no less than three days or 84 hours of fasting to reach blood sugar levels low enough to affect your mental state; and this is temporary, as your brain adapts to the use of ketones. During 48 hours of fasting, or severe calorie deprivation, blood sugar is maintained within a normal range no measure of cognitive performance is negatively affected.

What about blood sugar and hunger? Blood sugar is one of many short-term feedback mechanisms used to regulate hunger and the notion which exists to say that low blood sugar may cause hunger is correct. Low just means lower range. This is subject to numerous confounders, such as your habitual diet, energy intake and genetics. Most importantly perhaps, it's subject to entrained meal patterns, regulated by ghrelin and other metabolic hormones. In essence, this means that blood sugar follows the meal pattern you are used to. This is relevant for those who fear blood sugar issues and hunger from regular periods of fasting, as it serves to explain why people can easily adapt to regular periods of fasting without negative effects.

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Not sure how people came to believe that skipping a meal would dumb them down. There is some truth to blood sugar and hunger, but this is often taken out of context. There's no need to eat regularly to "maintain" blood sugar as it maintains itself just fine and adapts to whatever meal pattern you choose.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Wow. I've just gotten into reading some of that leangains site and it's turned what I've known as good muscle building diet technique on it's head.

I'm going to go workout and finish reading it. Doing plyometrics today. It's a smoker. I'm pretty excited about maybe learning something new. He makes good points about who is on the board of ISNN and their allegiances to the supplement industry. That's right up my ally with me being suspicious and all.

Definitely interested in some of this intermittent fasting stuff.

 

[Bionic]

He makes good points about who is on the board of ISNN and their allegiances to the supplement industry. That's right up my ally with me being suspicious and all.

LULZ!

 

[longearedfriend]

have any of you guys heard about the grape cure ?

eating only grapes for a certain amount of time

 

[Mountain]

Ooooops...

 

[Mountain]

have any of you guys heard about the grape cure ?

eating only grapes for a certain amount of time

Talk to Grapeman here about that. Sounds stupid IMO. Maybe he started the grape cure myth?

 

[uraverage]

Life is way to short to worry about what you eat and drink.
EAT, DRINK, AND BE MERRY......

 

[RoachClip]

I was very successful fasting, I went 26 straight days with nothing but bottled water and eat, slept & survived on eating my mind away trying to cross the border running after rabbits and birds and scorpions but after it was all said and done 11 pounds lighter I will forever have the terrible horrific nightmares of wanting food and being filthy dirty but I crossed feeling free in the us and sleeping and eating in a waste managment dumpster behind toi chows chinese resturant meant I was in a place of oppertunity and no more drug cartels and my life changed when I was eating free buns, fried rice, now I look back and it was the best thing I ever did...

 

[lil skunk baby]

Who said anything about torturing yourself? Once again you're off base.

Applesauce - are you formally educated or self taught and your profession is what?

Hey Mountain,you said "Once again Im off base?" Tell me about the first time I was "off base?" I don't recall any dialogue with you, but then again , I could have been high