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PoopyTeaBags

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Well fusion power has rose to the headlines once again... this time in italy. Utah let the patent relapse and i guess these guys picked it up. They say they have learned how to make it work everysingle time now and is cheap and can change the way of the world....

how much we want to bet people end up missing and the shit gets buried??

http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/n...ld-fusion-from-italy-nearly-commercial-ready/


heres the story....


Cold Fusion From Italy Nearly Commercial Ready

January 17, 2011 | 31 Comments

Friday and Saturday, January 14th and 15th of 2011 seem to be a threshold for energy production. Sergio Focardi and Andrea Rossi at the University of Bologna demonstrated and conducted a news conference about their “cold fusion”, or Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) or as they suggest it be called, a “catalyst reaction” energy uprating device. Time will tell to whom goes the technology domain, be it physics or chemistry or even a new field drawing on both. (The link to the Journal Of Nuclear Physics Blog has three videos of the press conference – everyone speaking Italian – if English translations appear please advise.)
Focardi and Rossi with their device in Dec. of 2010. Click image for the largest view.

Perhaps the greatest significance is the team has started the patent process and have licensee agreements completed in both the EU and USA. This seems to be fully real. Moreover, the expectations of the team are to have commercial designs due out within a year with device production for sale or use in 2 to 3 years.
The device relies on the ability of nickel to absorb hydrogen that while doing so releases heat, significant amounts in fact, the power needed to run the device is rating at 400 watt hours per hour to produce 15,000 watt hours per hour – from a lab bench experimental device. In lay terms the drive is about 4 one hundred watt lamps for 150 one hundred watt lamps of production – a 37.5 fold gain – quite a fine rate of return.
Brian Wang at Nextbigfuture.com figures the cost for electricity and heat, after the heat is converted to mechanical energy and on to electrical energy, to be “below 1 cent/kWh, in case of electric power made by means of a Carnot cycle, and below 1 cent/4,000 M J in case of thermal power production for heating purposes.” Even if Mr. Wang widely misses the mark, this is stunningly cheap energy.
The device starts with a tripping of a switch and shuts down just as simply. The product other than power is a weak burst of gamma radiation when powered off. The consumables are the nickel and hydrogen and the device has an additive package for the fueling or reaction that is proprietary, which should be available when the patent is granted.
The simple explanation from an earlier technical paper (pdf link) is the hydrogen atom of one proton and electron enter the nickel where the electron leaves the hydrogen to join the nickel’s electron array. The hydrogen proton then is freed to join the nickel where it converts the nickel up one element to copper, a fusion that releases heat, in an unstable isotope because a corresponding neutron is missing. The proof comes with the team’s examination of the nickel material after use – the copper is plainly there – found using an atomic microscope at the University of Bologna.
It seems the amount of raw materials; hydrogen and nickel go quite along way in the uprating of energy. In the analysis to measure the difference of mass the team has to use the charge for months, because what’s consumed in a day is in the order of picograms.
The estimate now for material to production is to make 10 kWh/h from about 0.1 g of Ni and 0.01 g of H. A little hydrogen goes a very long way.
Other interesting facts, the device has operated continuously for as long as two years. The team is working on megawatt rated designs. The cause of the weak gamma burst on a shutdown is not understood. The team offers a request for others to ponder that matter and contribute to the technology.
Cold fusion or catalytic energy uprating is certainly coming to a peak of interest. Steam was explored by the Greeks centuries ago with tabletop spinning devices while the physics took centuries to catch up with observations and the application of steam engines. These kinds of things are the amazing facts that press irresistibly on science to explore, test, understand and explain. There is no natural law that states functions of nature must first be explained before being utilized.
Questions remain, the foremost being the used nickel laced with the copper isotope. How stabile is the nickel-copper compound and what use can be made of it? It will be some time before enough material is available for experimentation. Nickel with a copper alloy might be quite desirable or problematic.
Another question is the energy cost to produce the feed fuel, producing nickel, hydrogen and the additive package. A 37+ to one return allows for a lot of investment and waste disposal, but getting to the numbers will need to be completed.
Italy must be very proud of their team. Whether the technology proves to be “cold fusion” or a “catalyst reaction” isn’t so important as the steady, repeatable demonstration is now at hand. For researchers worldwide the tribulations of cold fusion are evaporating like freon on a hot plate. Its also simple enough now that mass media could explain it without completely confusing the matter.
The Italians have also started setting a benchmark on new technology costs. Whether other ideas on catalyst reactions, cold fusion, or hot fusion, the price to sell energy will have a benchmark and a very low one just to start. This has to unnerve investors and producers across the board on electrical power generation.
One last matter to consider – a question asked about the scale for home sized units. While wholly speculative, the early estimate is about furnace sized. Note that heat would be direct for warm air and water use with only a conversion step for electrical generation. Price, and it looks to be at this moment little other than greed to make the price very high for only heat, should be quite low.
There is also the matter of if or how the Italian effort crosses with the BlackLight effort. Let’s hope that if they do, no legal proceeding will hold the competitors at a stop. But does it work outside of the inventor’s province? Time will tell.
The University of Bologna and all of Italy must be intensely glad of the native technology if the media can grasp the significance and amplify the spread of the news. It’s also could be a huge embarrassment for those denigrating the early efforts such as those of Fleschmann and Pons.
This writer suspects that a widely dispersed major exploratory effort will spring up for finding every possible element or chemical saturation that could release energy. It’s not over yet; it’s just getting started.
 

flubnutz

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for some reason i don't think bela lugosi and his buddy have discovered the alchemy to convert nickel into copper using an acetlyene tank, garden hose and a power bar. got the nice makings of a tinfoil hat, though.
 

compost

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The lab out there in cali has the best chance with the lasers I think. Not sure how long till that is operational for testing.
 

bentom187

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snake oil!! the fusion is being done for free by nature,how receptive are we for ignoring it.
just somone cashing in on obscurity.
you dont beleive that then? why would they ignore it come up with a half ass system with half assed resaults of manupulating it to look like they are saviors.
i say half assed cause how can you improve on what reality/natural is unless you want a monopoly and get that from convincing others differentley. its so wrong.
 
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Eatatjoes

Now all we need are energy to matter converters using protein synthesis and we will be a better world.
 

Honkytonk

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Now all we need are energy to matter converters using protein synthesis and we will be a better world.

Will it be? I doubt it.
Even with unlimited, clean, cheap energy and food humans will go on and fight each other over power, territory, resources, faith, belonging to the 'wrong' clan, group, nation, race, etc..
Unlimited energy and food will make populations grow and wars cheaper; a recipe for disaster. Just like the industrial revolution led to capitalism/communism conflict, 2 World Wars and almost nuclear holocaust.
Lets face it, we did not evolve to be the top of the food chain because we are a 'nice' species.
With the need to fight for survival removed from the 'human experience' we'll get bored and find something (or someone) else to fight.
 

ixnay007

"I can't remember the last time I had a blackout"
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I speak italian, if you want a translation..

I am extremely allergic to bullshit though.
 

Honkytonk

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Or read the paper...

A new energy source from nuclear fusion
S. Focardi (1) and A. Rossi (2)
Physics Department Bologna University and INFN Bologna Sectio
Leonardo Corp. (USA) - Inventor of the Patent
January 5, 2010

Abstract
A process (international patent publication N. WO 2009/125444 A1)
capable of producing large amounts of energy by a nuclear fusion process between nickel and hydrogen, occurring below 1000 K, is described. Experimental values of the ratios between output and input energies obtained in a certain number of experiments are reported. The occurrence of the effect is justifed on the basis of existing experimental and theoretical results. Measurements performed during the experiments allow to exclude neutron and gamma rays emissions.
 

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Deft

Get two birds stoned at once
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Cold fusion again eh?

Their apparatus looks like a still wrapped in tin foil lol.
 

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