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Cant find worm castings:( going chemical with my first outdoor grow.

TACOE

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I realize I regurgitate alot of the stuff tacoe had already said...sorry bout that tacoe...

I get so excited talking about organics these days though...

I honestly don't know why anyone would use chemicals.....

Hey dude. No problem. Everything I posted wa regurgitated from somewhere whether it be the organic section or books I've read. I am in love with organics too. It's good to be gun ho about it

Which is easier? I would say in the long run... Organics. You have little beasties doing most of your work.

Chems did not take over in ag because they are better.

And in regard to yield.. It has been proven time and time again that yields can be the same in an agricultural setting. And the effects yield may increase year after year.

Sorry I didn't includeany quotes or sources. I'll get to it when I get outta bed
 

jaykush

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yea chems may get what seems to be higher "yeilds", but its an illusion i promise. the ratio of energy that goes into chemical farming vs what you get out is sad really.

I honestly don't know why anyone would use chemicals.....

lack of knowledge or laziness or stubbornness

Can you elaborate farther? I would love to not tote this shit up in the woods this year. I often think there must be some way around having to buy soil and pack it in. I live in a land of red clay. What are some things I can do to get holes ready?

i used to prep my mountain plots in the fall, mixing all kinds of organic matter in the holes. rotten logs go in the bottom for the same effect of "water crystals" and also a food source for the fungi. layers of organic matter(mostly what most would call weeds) from the local area go on followed by the loosened native soil and so on until the top is reached. i would collect some of the rock powders and coarse sand from the dry river beds as well. mulch well and let it sit all winter and plant in spring. water them good once and forget about em until males come around or until harvest if they were sexed already.
 

D.S. Toker. MD

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"....he sounds like he's just starting out...and REALLY wants to use organics....but felt there was NO other option...." Aksala

If he's just starting out, its even more important that he know that organic growing is a fad and it by no measure is the optimum way to grow cannabis. Organic growing can be satisfying and many enjoy it. To suggest it is the most effective way to grow is foolish.Further, to suggest that organics can generally produce the yield seen with chemicals defies every peice of research ever conducted by the agricultural community. Chemical ferts revolutionized world crop production and increase yield many times over..

Just one of many articles on the internet about organics vs chems:

"...One of the distinct advantages of chemical fertilizers over organic fertilizers is that chemical fertilizers are rich equally in all three essential nutrients: nitrogen, phosphorous, and potassium. On the other hand, organic fertilizers may be rich in one of the three nutrients, or may have low levels of all the three nutrients..."

"One aspect of the organic fertilizers is their slow-release capability. Slow-release capability of organic fertilizers has both advantages and disadvantages: Slow-release means there is less risk of over-fertilization but sometimes this slow-release of organic fertilizers is not able to fulfill the needed supply of the nutrients, whenever required. In contrast to organic fertilizer, chemical fertilizers are always there to provide immediate supply of nutrients to plants if situation demands
( Remember my assertion about the rapid growth in august?)

"Chemical fertilizers always have a high total NPK (nitrogen:phosphorous:potassium), from 20 to 60 percent or more. The total NPK for organic fertilizer blends will always be low. Fourteen percent is about as high as it gets."

Natural fertilizers like manure have been in use for centuries as these were the only form of nutrition that could be provided to crops before the invention of chemical fertilizers. Chemicals were added to natural fertilizers after the second world war. Post the war, with advancement of technology there was an explosive growth in artificial fertilizers due to improved productivity. But of late, there has been mass awareness of the eco friendliness of the use of organic fertilizers and many are using those methods again.


Read more: Chemical Fertilizer vs Organic Fertilizer - Difference and Comparison | Diffen http://www.diffen.com/difference/Chemical_Fertilizer_vs_Organic_Fertilizer#ixzz1KumAoMqc
 
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krk

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IMO there the same...and for a newbie outdoor grower they will never know the difference... I have used both over and over...

so that said.. if your growing 1-5 plants than organic is as easy as chem...

are you going to grow in the ground or in containers? or swamp tubes?

chem fert is as easy as... lime + 1 cup of osmocote 20-20-20 per 15 gals of soil... done for the year...

now we can hear from the osmo crack haters... come on bring it... and I'll debunk all your uneducated bs you spread...

after all the guy is asking for chem... not your cross post organic info..

98% of all the food in North America is chem fertilized...
 
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