Root Rot 101- Myths Debunked

[Japanfreakier]

my only argument is stating that the boundaries of whats acceptable are much more forgiving than once thought.

We all know that people can grow outside of the safe zone and not get root rot. We all also know that if thousands of people did that you would start to see a trend. Environmental suggested zones are only saying this is an environment that should be healthy and beneficial, that's all.

Not to mention as pointed out earlier you have no idea what you're D.O. was and without tests like that it's a bit meaningless.

 

[bendoslendo]

take a steak and leave it out to ambient temps for a few hours, it starts to decompose. leave it in the deep freeze, good months.

 

[t33to]

imadoofus,

I just wanna say thank you for the time you took to do these experiments. I'm shocked and appalled at the manner in which 90% of the ICmag community responded to you. I understand people have different opinion, but I can't believe most of them felt they needed to trash you personally instead of the information you presented.

I also thoroughly enjoyed your hilarious antics and your certain sense of humility in which you posted your replies. Fear not friend for your manners did not go unnoticed and I know that's a rare thing in the world today.

It seems so obvious to me now that if you don't have the specific fungi in your water, of course you don't get root rot ... How could warm temps, algae and light suddenly create a specific kind of molecule known as root rot. That would be true alchemy wouldn't it?

 

[buddin_904]

^ its not a molecule bucko...its an organism.....and im glad doofus thinks its called plythium LOL

 

[imadoofus]

molecules are organisms- micro-organisms.

bucko

copied!!!
''organism is any contiguous living system (such as animal, plant, fungus, or micro-organism). In at least some form, all organisms are capable of response to stimuli, reproduction, growth and development, and maintenance of homoeostasis as a stable whole. An organism may either be unicellular (single-celled) or be composed of, as in humans, many trillions of cells grouped into specialized tissues and organs. The term multicellular (many-celled) describes any organism made up of more than one cell.''

 

[imadoofus]

We all know that people can grow outside of the safe zone and not get root rot. We all also know that if thousands of people did that you would start to see a trend. Environmental suggested zones are only saying this is an environment that should be healthy and beneficial, that's all.

Not to mention as pointed out earlier you have no idea what you're D.O. was and without tests like that it's a bit meaningless.

right. im expanding the suggested zones by nautical miles, exile.

 

[fido]

great thread///
thanks for sharing and debating.
all this helps a newbie like me!
fido

 

[imadoofus]

there are a lot of elements to still be thoroughly explored, once i can afford a lab grade D/O meter, im going to continue this thread. thanks for taking the time to read it, quite amusing the intensity of the debate

 

[snoopytime]

Well regardless of what some people can get away with, most people can't. For me, its a short list to success now:

1-UV filtered RO water before it touches any part of your system.
2-Lotsa bubbles in the res and in the buckets\tubs. I like the Alita Sintered airstone, they dont wear out, just rinse off in between runs. I use the 3.5" puck, they are like $9 each.
3- Nice USA made chiller, I use Aqua Logic, they are made in San Diego and if it ever breaks they fix it in 2 days for a quite reasonable price.
4- Totally soluble non-organic nutrients, such as GH 3 part. No seaweed,enzymes, batshit, molasses, Roots excel, great white, subculture. In effect, 'nothing that EVER lived'.
5- Hydro-Fungicide. I get mine at groovyhydro.com . the guys are cool and helped me through when I had the damm NGW hose plague. Now that its been around 8 months since I have had that offgassing nightmare, my plants do great with the simple method I outlined above.

 

[imadoofus]

technicially, snoopy, your petro derived nutes were, at one point in time, very much organic indeed.

youre rock solid on the no ''organics'' in the tank, because what that does is provide more sugars and starches. im going to pick this back up in about 2 months.

 

[TheBioMaster]

WOW! Its true...you really cant fix stupid.......educated growers the world over are turning in thier graves.....im speachless....never before have I seen anyone so PROUD of thier ignorance.......

 

[frenzybud]

here is my root rot debunking WMD. since i couldnt afford any yellow cake, ill go with green roots. this is a perfect example how how cheap and easy it can be afor anyone to grow amazing budz. and FB, ive already applied for a patent, so back off ; )

cost of materials-$32. $3 for turkey pan, $17 for bag of hydroten, $2 for cups and $10 for the dime bag to get some seeds.

heres a close up of the res, unfortunately i washed it out and rinsed the roots for fear the excessive algae would smother them, inhibiting their ability to intake nutes. after the algae cleared, i saw this wasnt the case. roots were extremely HEALTHY and WHITE.

i will be letting the res go almost completely stagnent in the following days- minus MINIMAL
topping off with FULL STRENGTH NUTES. after we witness flourishing algae blooms, to debunk any conjecture the full nute strength saved the plants, i will switch to plain R/O water. 1 week for both.

here is one of my EXCEPTIONAL plants. not that they ALL arent.

my canopy, no stress or deficiencies.

wow.. Very un-impressive..

 

[superusa]

molecules are organisms- micro-organisms.

bucko

copied!!!
''organism is any contiguous living system (such as animal, plant, fungus, or micro-organism). In at least some form, all organisms are capable of response to stimuli, reproduction, growth and development, and maintenance of homoeostasis as a stable whole. An organism may either be unicellular (single-celled) or be composed of, as in humans, many trillions of cells grouped into specialized tissues and organs. The term multicellular (many-celled) describes any organism made up of more than one cell.''

Fuck i couldn't help it.....How do you figure that a molecule is an organism.... or a micro-organism....and nowhere in your copied definition does it say anything about molecules. A molecule is an arrangement of bonded atoms... an organism, even a uni-cellular microorganism is made up of millions of molecules of varying types that interact in ways that define life. Molecules are not alive.... organisms are.

Sorry... I'm a molecular biology major and its 1:30 am and i'm really high... end rant....

 

[superusa]

I think he finally figured out the only thing he was debunking was his plants, Turned them straight into de-bunk....

That is hilarious....

All jokes aside.... most of us who have grown some rounds in DWC know that it IS possible to grow with hotter nutrient temps than recommended. With enough DO (either from air pumps, or circulation or w/e) the plant will grow and you can avoid root rot. I have grown in warm res temps several times. But most of us know that it isn't optimum. When you say they are flourishing, i think they are growing slow. I can't really veg for more than about 10-12 days anymore because they will outgrow the tent during flower. You want to know what those warm temps do? Reduce yield, and IMHO it seems like the plant grows with weaker branches that tend to sag more later in flower. I challenge OP to run two plants side by side in actual DWC.... one at 68* and one at 85* lol. Lets see which yields more....

I actually got a headache reading this. Root rot is a fungus... it, and all the other nasties you can grow in your resevoir comes from contamination and less than clean practices and/or sources of water. Just as easy as you can grow with a bunch of algea in 90* water I can grow with none with a lot of DO. Or regardless with some florashield or aquashield.... what useful information is coming out of this thread anyway....

By the way OP.... nothing personal just my .02

 

[imadoofus]

COPIEDSemantics
The word "organism" may broadly be defined as an assembly of molecules that influence each other in such a way that they function as a more or less stable whole and have properties of life. However, many sources, lexical and scientific, add conditions that are problematic to defining the word.

The Oxford English Dictionary (2004) defines an organism as "[an] individual animal, plant, or single-celled life form." This definition problematically excludes non-animal and plant multi-cellular life forms such as some fungi and protista. Less controversially, perhaps, it excludes viruses and theoretically-possible man-made non-organic life forms.

Luria et al. (1981) define organism as an "individual member of a species of living beings." This is problematic because species itself is difficult to define, and there are many diverse definitions.


An ericoid mycorrhizal fungusThe word "organism" usually describes an independent collections of systems (for example circulatory, digestive, or reproductive) themselves collections of organs; these are, in turn, collections of tissues, which are themselves made of cells.


A polypores mushroom has symbiotic relationship with this Birch TreeThe concept of an organism can be challenged on grounds that organisms themselves are never truly independent of an ecosystem; groups or populations of organisms function in an ecosystem in a manner not unlike the function of multicellular tissues in an organism. When organisms enter into strict symbiosis, they are not independent in any sense that could not also be conferred upon an organ or a tissue. Symbiotic plant and algae relationships do consist of radically different DNA structures between contrasting groups of tissues, sufficient to recognize their reproductive independence. However, in a similar way, an organ within an "organism" (say, a stomach) can have an independent and complex interdependent relationship to separate whole organisms, or groups of organisms (a population of viruses, or bacteria), without which the organ's stable function would transform or cease. Other organs within that system (say, the ribcage) might be affected only indirectly by such an arrangement, much the same way species' affect one another indirectly in an ecosystem. Thus, the boundaries of the organism are nearly always disputable, and all living matter exists within larger heterarchical systems of life, made of wide varieties of transient living and dead tissues, and functioning in complex and dynamic relationships to one another.

 

[imadoofus]

Retroviruses are viruses that have RNA and use the enzyme reverse transcriptase to code DNA from an RNA template. They integrate their DNA into the host's genome and replicate themselves during division of the cells. An example of such viruses is the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV). But viruses cannot be classified as living organisms. They carry out life processes only inside live host cells. They have raised several complications as to which group to classify them.

 

[imadoofus]

inability to interpret information is one thing; unwillingness is another.

 

[superusa]

inability to interpret information is one thing; unwillingness is another.

Lots of nice quotes but what was the point. In the orginal post you said a molecule was an organism. It is not. No where in any of those quotes does the dictionary say that a molecule is an organism. Wake up. I have a bs in molecular biology so who you telling

 

[superusa]

And even a retrovirus is made up of MILLIONS of molecules

 

[imadoofus]

i believe whats definable as an organism is debatable in what the context is relative to. pathogens, viruses, root rot...?

i really, really love aluminum.

WMD