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what brand of Coco yallz using..? great info
H3ad goes Coco
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jonezin
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I am using Botanicare bricks or bales, but they sell the same exact product bagged (already moistened). I use the bricks or bales though so that I can hydrate it with nute mixture like H3AD recommends (half strength is what he recommends doing).
H3AD earlier in the thread said he wasn't sure of the brand he was using. Then after that he said he was using Cocotek. H3AD also said he would like to try the "croutons", but that a buddy of his is using the croutons and that "he is watering an awful lot".
H3AD says to flush the coco with half strength nutes to get rid of any salts that might be left in it, but I don't do that and haven't had any problems.
Canna's coco is supposedly thoroughly rinsed with fresh water before packaging.
Botanicare's says "is treated with extra washes to remove excess sodium, and is made from the same 3/4” double sieved coir fibers as CocoGro for increased air space at the root zone. Our coir fiber is aged 18 to 24 months and fully decomposed to ensure no pH, or E.C. drifts"
I also found this post on another forum and found it interesting, because Canna themselves claim that their coco isn't fibers, but that it is fine grounds. This is the post I am talking about:
"IME, botanicares 5kg blocks have been the best coir for well aerated fast root developement.
After using botanicare coco coir successfuly for the past 2+ years, I thought I would try Canna's Coco Coir. What I found with canna coir was its consistency of coffee grounds.
Reduced air to the roots, which equaled to the use of root stimulators, and or allowing the pots to dry out more.
Additionaly, Canna Coco Coir is buffered too 5.5 and forces you too constanly fill rezs with ph up.
Botanicare Coir, allows you to use right after broken down, setting initial ph at 6.3 for a couple feeds, After that, you have very little ph swing that requires adjusting.
However, this is based upon that I use Canna Coco Nutes."
I actually found that post while posting this. I did a search so I could post the exact wording Botanicare uses for their coco. I know they say something about it being subjected to 3 monsoon seasons or something like that. Which they say gets rid of all of the salts. I have NEVER rinsed any of theirs, but it's the only brand I have used. I don't see the need to even try anythng else.
I don't know if anyone else on here has seen this, but I am growing some plants right now that are going so NUTS, that there are roots actually growing up out of the top of the pot. I transplanted some a week or so ago that were in Solo cups, and within 3-4 days (I can check my journal if you'd like me to) the roots were already coming out of the bottom holes in the 2 gallon grow bags that I transplanted them into. So the roots grew down through 6+ inches of coco in a matter of a few days.
I have never seen anything like this. I have told some close friends about it, but they ALL try to tell me that Jorge Cervantes says you will NEVER get as good quality product out of ANY soilless medium. I'm the one that burned the movies for these people too, but I don't remember him saying that.
I don't remember seeing it in any of the movies I burned for these people. They are stuck on their soil. And that's fine with me. Less competition for me... 
H3AD earlier in the thread said he wasn't sure of the brand he was using. Then after that he said he was using Cocotek. H3AD also said he would like to try the "croutons", but that a buddy of his is using the croutons and that "he is watering an awful lot".
H3AD says to flush the coco with half strength nutes to get rid of any salts that might be left in it, but I don't do that and haven't had any problems.
Canna's coco is supposedly thoroughly rinsed with fresh water before packaging.
Botanicare's says "is treated with extra washes to remove excess sodium, and is made from the same 3/4” double sieved coir fibers as CocoGro for increased air space at the root zone. Our coir fiber is aged 18 to 24 months and fully decomposed to ensure no pH, or E.C. drifts"
I also found this post on another forum and found it interesting, because Canna themselves claim that their coco isn't fibers, but that it is fine grounds. This is the post I am talking about:
"IME, botanicares 5kg blocks have been the best coir for well aerated fast root developement.
After using botanicare coco coir successfuly for the past 2+ years, I thought I would try Canna's Coco Coir. What I found with canna coir was its consistency of coffee grounds.
Reduced air to the roots, which equaled to the use of root stimulators, and or allowing the pots to dry out more.
Additionaly, Canna Coco Coir is buffered too 5.5 and forces you too constanly fill rezs with ph up.
Botanicare Coir, allows you to use right after broken down, setting initial ph at 6.3 for a couple feeds, After that, you have very little ph swing that requires adjusting.
However, this is based upon that I use Canna Coco Nutes."
I actually found that post while posting this. I did a search so I could post the exact wording Botanicare uses for their coco. I know they say something about it being subjected to 3 monsoon seasons or something like that. Which they say gets rid of all of the salts. I have NEVER rinsed any of theirs, but it's the only brand I have used. I don't see the need to even try anythng else.
I don't know if anyone else on here has seen this, but I am growing some plants right now that are going so NUTS, that there are roots actually growing up out of the top of the pot. I transplanted some a week or so ago that were in Solo cups, and within 3-4 days (I can check my journal if you'd like me to) the roots were already coming out of the bottom holes in the 2 gallon grow bags that I transplanted them into. So the roots grew down through 6+ inches of coco in a matter of a few days.
I have never seen anything like this. I have told some close friends about it, but they ALL try to tell me that Jorge Cervantes says you will NEVER get as good quality product out of ANY soilless medium. I'm the one that burned the movies for these people too, but I don't remember him saying that.
I don't remember seeing it in any of the movies I burned for these people. They are stuck on their soil. And that's fine with me. Less competition for me...
jonezin
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Yes jonezin is right. 3+3/10 is 3ml hardwater micro + 3ml softwater micro / 10ml bloom.
Although i wouldn't recommend that formula.....
Im not quite sure whats going on anymore as the ratios head gives in his first post dont correspond to the ratios i get on the GH calculator and GHE calculator on the respective websites.
Heres what i get :
What h3ad says GH 6/9 in 3.78l is in his first post:
N : 97 P:60 K: 105 Ca: 97 Mg:27 S:41
6/9 GH in 3.78l according to http://www.generalhydroponics.com/genhydro_US/floraseries_calculator.html
N : 78 P:55 K: 94 Ca: 80 Mg:35 S:47
6/9 GHE in 4l according to: http://gb.eurohydro.com/flora-calc.html
N : 92 P:68 K:105 Ca: 82 Mg:45 S: 50
8/12 GHE in 5litres (what ive been using, its 6/9 in 3.78l extrapolated to a 5l)
N : 97 P: 72 K:112 Ca:88 Mg:48 S: 54
3+3/10 ghe in 3 litres (h3ads recommendation )
N : 116 P:101 K:153 Ca:68 Mg:67 S: 75
3+3/10 ghe in 4 litres
N : 86 P:76 K:115 Ca:51 Mg:50 S: 56
All i know for sure is that GH 6/9 works perfectly and GHE 6/9 has worked beautifully for me from clone to 2 weeks into flowering (where i am now) and 3+3/10 worked fucking horribly for me, much much worse than GHE's normal Mic/Gro/Blo feeding schedule. Two plants literally shriveled up and died and yield was reduced by 30%.
Anyways my plants seem really happy with GHE 6/9, no defs or anything
I really wish I could find the post again about this. It wasn't on this site. But it pertained to European NPK ratios vs USA ratios. I just happened to see it while researching nutrients.
Basically the statement said something about "Same great Product", just relabeled to conform to US laws on NPK ratios.
They said that NPK ratios in the US are calculated differently. I cannot remember how they explained it, but what they said was that in the USA nutrient companies have to state NPK values a certain way, and in Europe they are calculated slightly differently. I'd be willing to bet that it is the same exact product, even though the label would lead you to believe otherwise.
If I can find the info again I will post it. Or I might email GHE and ask them about this. Unless someone else wants to do it.
At any rate, from what I read it's just that in the US they make nutrient manufacturers give the values based on a slightly different "formula" than they do in Europe.
Lowman
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Really???? Got any data to back up something like this? I really can't wrap my head around a statement like that. I have grown many different ways....and if you're dialed in....you're dialed in...and the plant will do what it's made to do, based on genetics...not the medium you use.
IWANNATOKENBONE..seems that's all he does, and talks shit, sorry to say this about a "member" but that's about what you are, no need to put me on your ignore list(you knob), i won't ever try to entertain you again.
Never have i seen such an ignorant person like you, on an educational forum...........Unless there's are reason
:thinkingNOT you lowman, that prick/ess.
IwannatokeNbone
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genetrics then nutrition, soil has more then coco or rockwool, very siimple. libby welcome to my ignore list
Soil has more "nutrition" than coco or rockwool..........
Awesome post! Would read again!
LOL! Now now children, play nicely, i was having a controversial interesting read untill the last couple posts(apart from bobbys), funny though!
Bobby LMAO bro!
Now now children, play nicely, i was having a controversial interesting read untill the last couple posts(apart from bobbys), funny though!Bobby LMAO bro!
genetrics then nutrition, soil has more then coco or rockwool, very siimple. libby welcome to my ignore list
have you grown any plants yet?
jonezin
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genetrics then nutrition, soil has more then coco or rockwool, very siimple. libby welcome to my ignore list
Ummmmmm. What are you even talking about? Are you saying that soil has more "genetrics" than than coco or rockwool?
Or were you referring to soil having more nutrition? 
I'm just fucking with you. Either way, YOU ARE WRONG. SORRY.
You can grow some killer smoke in soil, yeah. But your statement about soil having "more nutrition" (I'm assuming you didn't mean "genetrics"???) reminds me of something that someone that doesn't know hardly anything AT ALL about growing would say.
ANY medium you choose to grow in can have more "nutrition" than soil. Your statement makes no sense whatsoever. Does sand have more nutrition than coco?
Let me guess, it has more "genetrics" right? I'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but you don't know what you're talking about.
I often wonder why people make statements on a forum like this unless they know for a FACT that what they are saying is true. Why do people choose to make themselves look/sound inexperienced/uninformed (to put it nicely) with untrue and flat ass wrong information?
Like I said, I'm sorry if you think that I am being a jerk, because I don't mean to be. It's just that your statements are untrue. Unless you are giving advice to a completely new (and clueless) grower. In that case, I guess maybe those people might think that you know what you're talking about. But as you already found out, any experienced grower, or even a well informed INEXPERIENCED grower knows better.
Personally, I don't make comments about anything, unless I know for a FACT that I am right.
Anyway....... Please don't think that I'm just being a jerk, because I'm not . I just don't like people spreading untrue information...
Have a nice DAY.................
It's been shown many times that iwannatokenbone doesn't actually know anything about growing... Just fabricates bullshit and shares misinformation around the site, while simultaneously blocking most of the members who respond to his posts.
Thanks H3ad! great thread.
After reading the first 20 pages and skimming for H3ad post for another 25 pages, I feel good about my upcoming switch to coco from flood trays.
-Botanicare coco
-GH nutes (orange and brown)
-3.4 gallon Superoots Airpots
-R/O water and tap mixed to 75 ppm
The two flood trays go outside to grow watermelons and peppers using pond water.
(I know, sweet blog, this post is more of a bookmark for me)
After reading the first 20 pages and skimming for H3ad post for another 25 pages, I feel good about my upcoming switch to coco from flood trays.
-Botanicare coco
-GH nutes (orange and brown)
-3.4 gallon Superoots Airpots
-R/O water and tap mixed to 75 ppm
The two flood trays go outside to grow watermelons and peppers using pond water.
(I know, sweet blog, this post is more of a bookmark for me)
Heya folks.
im not sure if the answer to this is somewhere in there or not, but just for the sakes of time I hope this can get answered
Im currently having a 1 girl in a canna coco professional plus.
my question is this:
Can I use tap water ppm 74 with 0-9-6 and 1 gram of epsom salt? I lack the ro unit and not sure how hard a 74ppm water is...
im not sure if the answer to this is somewhere in there or not, but just for the sakes of time I hope this can get answered
Im currently having a 1 girl in a canna coco professional plus.
my question is this:
Can I use tap water ppm 74 with 0-9-6 and 1 gram of epsom salt? I lack the ro unit and not sure how hard a 74ppm water is...
ganjaments
Member
Mix in multiples of 5 gallons at a time.
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