Heh thanks, but that should go to delta9x - the guy i quoted, check out his passive plant killer thread, its long but worth every minute of read involved.
9'2" x 7'10" (110" x 94") room - What now!
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Heh thanks, but that should go to delta9x - the guy i quoted, check out his passive plant killer thread, its long but worth every minute of read involved.
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garden todo list:
**1. ?top?plants?
**2. setup better drainage for waste water - get more regular 5gal buckets - the #5 pots fit on top of them.
**3. put buckets under the pots
**3a. put enough liquid to fill buckets to bottom of pots
4. put bamboo stakes up, and tie plants to em.
5. cut way back on current loop till #6 is complete; water in groups; move drip lines
6. T valve for perm. watering loop;
7. second hood / fixture for bulb if bare
8. setup watering timer
9. setup AC
3a. is in progress-- complete! only took 3 hours to make and water the bitches - but about 40 gallons - like OMG.
NOTE: seems 17' of manifold line without it being in a loop is a big fail for watering - FYI - will be redoing this thing to just do 4-6 at a time, so semi-manual. i have not plumbed the buckets themselves, so this becomes similar to a hempy; room temp is now ESSENTIAL to have under control or ill lose everything to root rot and mold
btw - yes i know its probably a mistake i don't have the buckets plumbed, ill get to it, i'll maintain in the meantime i swearz!!!
adjusted ambient temps are 69-71 now, hopefully that will discourage bacteria in the water.... i need more thermometers, especially one for water..
garden todo list:
**1. ?top?plants?
**2. setup better drainage for waste water - get more regular 5gal buckets - the #5 pots fit on top of them.
**3. put buckets under the pots
**3a. put enough liquid to fill buckets to bottom of pots
4. put bamboo stakes up, and tie plants to em.
5. cut way back on current loop till #6 is complete; water in groups; move drip lines
6. T valve for perm. watering loop;
7. second hood / fixture for bulb if bare
8. setup watering timer
9. setup AC
3a. is in progress-- complete! only took 3 hours to make and water the bitches - but about 40 gallons - like OMG.
NOTE: seems 17' of manifold line without it being in a loop is a big fail for watering - FYI - will be redoing this thing to just do 4-6 at a time, so semi-manual. i have not plumbed the buckets themselves, so this becomes similar to a hempy; room temp is now ESSENTIAL to have under control or ill lose everything to root rot and mold
btw - yes i know its probably a mistake i don't have the buckets plumbed, ill get to it, i'll maintain in the meantime i swearz!!!
adjusted ambient temps are 69-71 now, hopefully that will discourage bacteria in the water.... i need more thermometers, especially one for water..
Trying to get 4, 5 and 6 done today or tomorrow if possible..
Here's some updated pix:
***5. cut way back on current loop till #6 is complete; water in groups; move drip lines
Yup - thats right, #5's done! (more or less
)Took em down to 20 girls in flowering as such:
xxxxxx
xxxxxxX
xxxxxxX
the top cap X is a big mom, so yeh. the other two i tossed back in veg. will update with pix of those later... maybe tomorrow, but it looks really nice in there now. Took this opportunity to defol a bit on the flowering girls..
got the count trimmed to 17 for flowering. Seems sparse compared to the 30 i originally was thinking, but they just wont all FIT!
Imma take a pick and update the post, I've butchered about 50% of each of the girls.
Now as you may have noticed the plan was #5 pots in 5-gal buckets, leaving about 4" (bit less) under the #5 in the 5-gal. The whole left side of my garden did well like this, and grew roots down below the coco into the bucket - however the other half was a bit pissy.... (11 grew rad roots to be exact). now these roots were so much they would never survive what my next plan was, so they stayed in the buckets as they were. FYI - big learning experience, water often, small increments, keep water UNDER the friggan coco if you do this - say 1" or so, to make the exploratory roots explode. the ones where the water never left the coco showed signs of over watering.
Well actually most did for a bit, and i didnt water for friggan DAYS, just watched the topsoil / topcoco for signs of drying to water again. Should have stuck with my instincts and not watered the right hand side eh?
Well this is a great opportunity, it will show a bit of a difference between extra roots and not given similar (almost equal) conditions. of course everyone expects more roots == more harvest, but we shall see (i expect the same of course).
So point a.:
**with ppk's - passive plant killers - one could liken the setup to many things, but essentially in my twisted newb mind (ill be a newb till say 2014, this is round 3), its composed of a few fairly simple elements:
*normal bucket of medium you would grow in
*plug from said bucket or w/e that dips about 6"
*tons of air holes in said bucket
effect:
*plug soaks water, its composed of same medium as grow coco or w/e
*water line ends at air holes
*water continues
(this is over simplified and fucked but its a 'perched water table' you should be imagining correctly in your mind here)
so you get:
*air roots like normal in the bucket
*controlled water layer
*water roots in plug, and plant grows like its on pcp
So the idea was that i'd just bring the water level to the botom 1" of the coco, allowing the bottom 6" to be water roots, and the striation of layers above that into the #5 pot (its like 11" deep) and the normal holes in the pot would do for the areation.
Big fail on those that had the water up to the coco line - DONT DO IT!!!!!
So yeah, trimed shitloads of the girls back off, bug bombed last night (saw a normal house spider - i hate friggan bugs inside fukkit rite?) and am waiting a week or so before flowering.
So now the last thing to get done - another hood, final ducting, put carbon filter in, and get it light proofed, all doable in say 6 hrs but ive been waiting on dough for the rollout - stupid paydays!
oh and the ones which didnt grow crazy roots - put those in those lil holders that are like 2" rim and 12" diameter - ill have pix up tonight or tomorrow showing each bit so its understood easily.
ttys
Imma take a pick and update the post, I've butchered about 50% of each of the girls.
Now as you may have noticed the plan was #5 pots in 5-gal buckets, leaving about 4" (bit less) under the #5 in the 5-gal. The whole left side of my garden did well like this, and grew roots down below the coco into the bucket - however the other half was a bit pissy.... (11 grew rad roots to be exact). now these roots were so much they would never survive what my next plan was, so they stayed in the buckets as they were. FYI - big learning experience, water often, small increments, keep water UNDER the friggan coco if you do this - say 1" or so, to make the exploratory roots explode. the ones where the water never left the coco showed signs of over watering.
Well actually most did for a bit, and i didnt water for friggan DAYS, just watched the topsoil / topcoco for signs of drying to water again. Should have stuck with my instincts and not watered the right hand side eh?
Well this is a great opportunity, it will show a bit of a difference between extra roots and not given similar (almost equal) conditions. of course everyone expects more roots == more harvest, but we shall see (i expect the same of course).
So point a.:
**with ppk's - passive plant killers - one could liken the setup to many things, but essentially in my twisted newb mind (ill be a newb till say 2014, this is round 3), its composed of a few fairly simple elements:
*normal bucket of medium you would grow in
*plug from said bucket or w/e that dips about 6"
*tons of air holes in said bucket
effect:
*plug soaks water, its composed of same medium as grow coco or w/e
*water line ends at air holes
*water continues
(this is over simplified and fucked but its a 'perched water table' you should be imagining correctly in your mind here)
so you get:
*air roots like normal in the bucket
*controlled water layer
*water roots in plug, and plant grows like its on pcp
So the idea was that i'd just bring the water level to the botom 1" of the coco, allowing the bottom 6" to be water roots, and the striation of layers above that into the #5 pot (its like 11" deep) and the normal holes in the pot would do for the areation.
Big fail on those that had the water up to the coco line - DONT DO IT!!!!!
So yeah, trimed shitloads of the girls back off, bug bombed last night (saw a normal house spider - i hate friggan bugs inside fukkit rite?) and am waiting a week or so before flowering.
So now the last thing to get done - another hood, final ducting, put carbon filter in, and get it light proofed, all doable in say 6 hrs but ive been waiting on dough for the rollout - stupid paydays!
oh and the ones which didnt grow crazy roots - put those in those lil holders that are like 2" rim and 12" diameter - ill have pix up tonight or tomorrow showing each bit so its understood easily.
ttys
Big Update!! 2.22.2011
Big Update!! 2.22.2011
Well, when i was planning to go this scale on the project, i really wanted a couple of cool tubes, because long term I want to get my flowering count down to 6 or even three between two lights vertically. So I'm at the hydro shop finally grabbing a second hood, was a little sad because i wanted the tubes, and I remembered they showed me a couple cool tubes they had on the side, some that had been sitting for a while - and boom, i walk out with 2 - 6" x ~24" cool tubes for about a bill!!
So, I'm going to see if we can get rocking' this weekend hopefully! I fear greatly I need an AC unit, but I'm going to try to duct through the door. Anyone think a single 6" 449cfm vortex is enough to cool two 1k lights? Light's air loop goes from the far side of the flowering room, to the wall near the door, then out; negative pressure from flowering section of room to outside room, forcing equalization of heat. I've got a second vortex I could chain between the two lights, or later in the loop, and can get insulated ducting (cheap at the home de pot), and am looking at about a 12-16' ducting line. Suggestions?
current updated garden to-do list:
Legend:
** completed
-- cancelled (at least for now)
→ todo
garden todo list:
**1. top plants
**2. setup better drainage for waste water - get more regular 5gal buckets - the #5 pots fit on top of them.
**3. put buckets under the pots
**3a. put enough liquid to fill buckets to bottom of pots
**4. cut way back on current loop till #6 is complete; water in groups; move drip lines
[update] back to hand watering for now..
**5. took #5 pots out of the 5-gal buckets that could be removed,
11 or so had so much roots down there they had to stay lol..
--6. put bamboo stakes up, and tie plants to em.
--7. T valve for perm. watering loop;
--8. setup watering timer
**9. second hood
→10. carbon filter hung and ducted with 9.
→11. light proofing
→12. electric mounted and off floor
→13. setup AC
BTW, girlfriend is getting interested in adopting one of the vegging girls, and walking through flowering, mixing her own water, etc! Best-est girl in the world i tell ya!
Big Update!! 2.22.2011
Well, when i was planning to go this scale on the project, i really wanted a couple of cool tubes, because long term I want to get my flowering count down to 6 or even three between two lights vertically. So I'm at the hydro shop finally grabbing a second hood, was a little sad because i wanted the tubes, and I remembered they showed me a couple cool tubes they had on the side, some that had been sitting for a while - and boom, i walk out with 2 - 6" x ~24" cool tubes for about a bill!!
So, I'm going to see if we can get rocking' this weekend hopefully! I fear greatly I need an AC unit, but I'm going to try to duct through the door. Anyone think a single 6" 449cfm vortex is enough to cool two 1k lights? Light's air loop goes from the far side of the flowering room, to the wall near the door, then out; negative pressure from flowering section of room to outside room, forcing equalization of heat. I've got a second vortex I could chain between the two lights, or later in the loop, and can get insulated ducting (cheap at the home de pot), and am looking at about a 12-16' ducting line. Suggestions?
current updated garden to-do list:
Legend:
** completed
-- cancelled (at least for now)
→ todo
garden todo list:
**1. top plants
**2. setup better drainage for waste water - get more regular 5gal buckets - the #5 pots fit on top of them.
**3. put buckets under the pots
**3a. put enough liquid to fill buckets to bottom of pots
**4. cut way back on current loop till #6 is complete; water in groups; move drip lines
[update] back to hand watering for now..
**5. took #5 pots out of the 5-gal buckets that could be removed,
11 or so had so much roots down there they had to stay lol..
--6. put bamboo stakes up, and tie plants to em.
--7. T valve for perm. watering loop;
--8. setup watering timer
**9. second hood
→10. carbon filter hung and ducted with 9.
→11. light proofing
→12. electric mounted and off floor
→13. setup AC
BTW, girlfriend is getting interested in adopting one of the vegging girls, and walking through flowering, mixing her own water, etc! Best-est girl in the world i tell ya!
OK.
Got the willpower to continue - seems my buddies GF really doesn't remember where the grow is, sigh. What a nightmare - he breaks up with her - usual threats etc etc - so i had to chill chill chill chill chill.... stupid patience....
Anyway, now ive got so many girls that are so begging to go im friggan kinda lost. I have 13 total in the #5 pots on top the 5-gal buckets, and after that run I wanna get lower and lower on my count.... I can see 2kw with 6 girls in a 2x3. But for now i need to burn some of my numbers out by flowering (gave the buddies so many clones its sick...)
So: if anyone's still paying attn, which is the better setup (11 or 13):
Either way.. going to flower this weekend if i can help it. Got to get back up and running, gonna flower till DEC.
Got the willpower to continue - seems my buddies GF really doesn't remember where the grow is, sigh. What a nightmare - he breaks up with her - usual threats etc etc - so i had to chill chill chill chill chill.... stupid patience....
Anyway, now ive got so many girls that are so begging to go im friggan kinda lost. I have 13 total in the #5 pots on top the 5-gal buckets, and after that run I wanna get lower and lower on my count.... I can see 2kw with 6 girls in a 2x3. But for now i need to burn some of my numbers out by flowering (gave the buddies so many clones its sick...
) So: if anyone's still paying attn, which is the better setup (11 or 13):
Either way.. going to flower this weekend if i can help it. Got to get back up and running, gonna flower till DEC.
benzo
Active member
Whats up huntingbb?
I see your taking a lot of time to plan properly. Props on that.
I tried to read your post on pump for drippers, and wondered why are you going thru all that trouble, when you could eliminate it all by using blumat drippers? http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=111046
Anyways ill stop by in a few more days to see what ya done! later
I see your taking a lot of time to plan properly. Props on that.
I tried to read your post on pump for drippers, and wondered why are you going thru all that trouble, when you could eliminate it all by using blumat drippers? http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=111046
Anyways ill stop by in a few more days to see what ya done! later
I gave up on the pump. Still gotta give it back to my bud
bought a 48gal rezzie, might go to blumats but i dunno...
for now just doing by hand every few days.
i'm really not sure what i'm doing with this.... really up in the air about everything, gf situation is ever fucking me, and ive been working massive hours at the job, so not had shit for time to dial it the rest of the way in.
Honestly i just dunno....
benzo
Active member
seriously bro. i understand everything your saying and im telling you. Blumats are the way to go. Takes couple hours to set them up. Takes a few days of quick check ups to dial in correctly. then leave it on the back burner so you can handle life.
once the blumats are good to go fill up 40 gallons and you wont have to go into the grow room for a good few days. and the plants would be going strong!
once the blumats are good to go fill up 40 gallons and you wont have to go into the grow room for a good few days. and the plants would be going strong!
I just feel a bit uncertain about applying them, i never got the jr's to do anything right ;_;
I would certainly agree with your prognosis tho when it's setup correctly it seems to be the cows tits.
benzo
Active member
Jrs, are completely different. gosh.. you are one hard fellow to persuade
guess im going to have to start my third journal for you.
im back at it again, dj short blueberry, rez double strawberry diesel, and my old speed queen strain.
got 12 on right on blumats and 10-12 on left NOT on blumats.
the growth rate, stem size diameter and tops, is all way more profound on the blumat side.
I hand water the left size, 1-2x daily (Sometimes less cause I go outta town or when I'm home its lights out), outta the same res of the blumats.
everything is the same, other than how I feed.
i work 10-6 ish 5 days a week.. go to school and try to skate and chill in the mean time. blumats where the best thing i have ever done for the grow.
My mood towards the grow fluctuates up and down because of when I hit things I can't control or fix... If I didn't have the blumats, I could see my self tearing down in the past.
Lastly, before I go..
With drippers no matter how hard to try to copy another persons grow, you still have to custom fit it to you, your grow, and your products. (believe me I tried making 2 dripper grows, over watered, flooded, underwater, clogs.etc. etc) You won't get as much first handed help setting that up, as you could over at the blumat section.
either way you decide to go, ill stick around. I'm dieing to see what you scheme up with
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smokingjoe_
Member
Ingenious design.
Well, if you read the passive plant killer (PPK (tm)) thread, you'll see its not really my design. I did notice something today tho, the ph in the rezzie bit goes WAY low, down in the 4's. I think this is the source of an issue i've been trying to track down, so i'll be doing the hard work of ph'ing all the rezzies. Again, this is why the control bucket and connecting the buckets to it - it automagically controls all that since it becomes one grand unified system rather than a crapload of small ones =[
