4ftx2ft Tent SCROG - 5 Tahoe OG Clones - CFLS!

[BayAreaGrowers]

What Disco was saying was,

More heat means more evacuation of heat from the room,... which = more exhaust fan,... = more noise.

Most circulation fans are nearly silent,.... however, a 600cfm duct exhaust fan makes a good bit of noise.



As for that last pic,..... that one could go either way,.... what kind of root structure did that plant have when it went into the larger container?

I want to say it's overwatered since the soil looks damp, perhaps stop the foliar spraying on that one and just water the roots when they are dry?

If I'm wrong it'll just kill it.


Sorry, had a really tough day at work, feeling a bit snarky.

Hehe... well the plant had a green cube with very healthy looking roots when I purchased the clone from a club, I then put the green cube in the top/middle of the soil. I'm starting to think I am somehow over watering it... even though I go through maybe a total of 250ML for 5 plants in one watering. But I did take the photo right after I had watered it.

10 hours later when I checked up on the problem plant (4 hours of light then 6 hours of darkness) She looked very strong and the lifelessness was gone. I then watered the soil of each plant because it did feel dry, 2 hours later I returned to check up on them and the problem had returned, I chose to give them some water (because the soil felt dry) and then wait another two hours later the problem was still there. This time I chose to not water and will see how it goes from here. I think I may be over watering because the plant is so small, and the pot is so big.. but heck if I know, I need some advice!

EDIT: Here's a photo I took of the plant right before posting!, I'm using a paper clip to hold up the fan leaf the best I can, and chose to put one on the other just to help.

 

[Canniwhatsis]

Yeah,... sounds by that last post like over watering.

 

[BayAreaGrowers]

Yeah,... sounds by that last post like over watering.

Now here is the confusing part. Image 1 is another plant that is showing similar problems to DRE, but before taking this picture the soil of the plant in Image 1 felt very dry so I chose to water.




Just after watering Problem Plant 2

Still no water for DRE until I get a better idea

 

[BayAreaGrowers]

I'm still very confused... I'm either over-watering or under-watering.. or maybe it's something else! I noticed some dots on problem plant 2, I also chose to water DRE because the soil was dry and I hadn't seen any improvement after 12 hours of no water.


Here is one spot that worries me on Plant 2

Picture 1 is Plant 3 (looking alright) slight droop... wish they would all just perk up!
Picture 2 is Plant 4 which used to look very healthy and perky!!! now seems to be lacking in something, slight droop.
Picture 3 is Plant 5 which has stayed relatively constant, but a slight droop is apparent.
Picture 4 is DRE who still confuses the hell out of me!
Picture 5 is another spot I found on Plant 2
Picture 6 is Plant 2 just recently... really doesn't look right to me.
Picture 7 is ANOTHER group of dots I found on Plant 2.
Picture 8 is a leaf that was damaged when I received the clone, notice two "burn looking" areas?


I read through many plant diagnoses threads and i still have yet to figure out what I'm doing wrong, Any and all advice is welcome!


EDIT: Forgot to include the album, ehhehehe http://imgur.com/a/A9SpG#SDoVy

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

The plants in your pics are over watered.

I read you're watering several times a day. It needs to be more like one time every several days. In soil Mj likes wet-to-dry, not constantly moist. Your roots have to absorb oxygen and this only happens with drying soil.

The dry surface of the soil is no indicator that the root zone needs more water. I wouldn't recommend sticking your finger in the soil to judge moisture, it'll stress your roots.

The best way to know when your plants need watering is to pick up the pot. Judging from the pics, you're growing in peat? Peat is almost weightless when dry but heavy when moist. You'll easily become familiar with weights if you practice.

If you feel weight from water, give it another day before gauging again.

Perlite is available at the hardware or growing store. You mix it in with soil so excess water drains easier. It also helps keep soil from packing down.

Do your pots have drain holes? If so, make sure to dump the waste so root tips aren't constantly soaked.

Next grow, try smaller pots for seedlings, rooted clones, etc. Less soil to manage with small root systems. Potting up as they grow once or twice is just fine, so long as you don't stress the roots too bad.

 

[BayAreaGrowers]

The plants in your pics are over watered.

I read you're watering several times a day. It needs to be more like one time every several days. In soil Mj likes wet-to-dry, not constantly moist. Your roots have to absorb oxygen and this only happens with drying soil.

The dry surface of the soil is no indicator that the root zone needs more water. I wouldn't recommend sticking your finger in the soil to judge moisture, it'll stress your roots.

The best way to know when your plants need watering is to pick up the pot. Judging from the pics, you're growing in peat? Peat is almost weightless when dry but heavy when moist. You'll easily become familiar with weights if you practice.

If you feel weight from water, give it another day before gauging again.

Perlite is available at the hardware or growing store. You mix it in with soil so excess water drains easier. It also helps keep soil from packing down.

Do your pots have drain holes? If so, make sure to dump the waste so root tips aren't constantly soaked.

Next grow, try smaller pots for seedlings, rooted clones, etc. Less soil to manage with small root systems. Potting up as they grow once or twice is just fine, so long as you don't stress the roots too bad.

I'm using Miracle Grow Organic Choice, which contains mostly peat, composted bark fines, and a "natural" fertilizer, My pots do have drain holes but no water has seemed to ever come through. I think it's because I don't really use much water compared to the size of my pots. What would be the best way to add perlite to the soil? How much of it?

Would you recommend that I continue misting my plants every day or put it on pause until they stop showing signs of over watering?

I realize now that I sorta effed myself on just jumping to big boy pots.. really confuses me when watering and makes it look harder than it should.

A buddy of mine offered me some "Formula Flora", I looked around and couldn't find much about it, Do you know anything about it? Have you ever used it? I was planning on just sticking to watering only.. but i'm tempted to rethink.

Really appreciate the advice!

 

[Canniwhatsis]

Let them get to probably 6 nodes before considering feeding. and if you do decide to feed at that point, ease into it. 1/4 strength, then water, water, 1/2 strength, water, water, and see what happens.

As for your watering schedule,..... again, the plants in those pics look overwatered. At some point, overwatering will start to actually harm the plants,... and I think I'm seeing that start.

Watering should be done in small increments evenly across the surface of the soil until a small amount of runoff out of the bottom of the pot occurs,... then let the plant dry out for a day to several days. Doing it in small increments per watering will help prevent "Dry Spots" and assure that ALL the soil is evenly moistened.

The plant and/or the weight of the pot will tell you when it's time to water again. Disco nailed it on the weight thing BTW



Edit,
Your in the soil your in,... when you up pot next,.... IF you up pot next mix in some perlite.

As for misting,... Yes, give that a break. Your artificially inflating RH to 100%,.... this plant will do just fine in RH all the way down to 10% or lower!

Pic: Outdoors in Co!!!!

 

[drymouth]

Yo B a g, you could use Blazeoneup's mirical grow water only mix on the next run! just look up his name he did oustanding numbers with that mix! i tried it myself and it works! as for food, you could try pure blend pro bloom/cal-mag 15/5 ml a gallon when your mix starts gassing out. or floranova bloom 8 ml a gallon. Good luck and keep reaserching and reading! tons of info on this very fine site we'er at!

 

[BayAreaGrowers]

Let them get to probably 6 nodes before considering feeding. and if you do decide to feed at that point, ease into it. 1/4 strength, then water, water, 1/2 strength, water, water, and see what happens.

As for your watering schedule,..... again, the plants in those pics look overwatered. At some point, overwatering will start to actually harm the plants,... and I think I'm seeing that start.

Watering should be done in small increments evenly across the surface of the soil until a small amount of runoff out of the bottom of the pot occurs,... then let the plant dry out for a day to several days. Doing it in small increments per watering will help prevent "Dry Spots" and assure that ALL the soil is evenly moistened.

The plant and/or the weight of the pot will tell you when it's time to water again. Disco nailed it on the weight thing BTW



Edit,
Your in the soil your in,... when you up pot next,.... IF you up pot next mix in some perlite.

As for misting,... Yes, give that a break. Your artificially inflating RH to 100%,.... this plant will do just fine in RH all the way down to 10% or lower!

Pic: Outdoors in Co!!!!

It worries me that I have yet to have any water come from the bottom of my pots! Makes me think that its too tightly packed or something!, I have no plans on up potting, hopefully i can make do.

Yo B a g, you could use Blazeoneup's mirical grow water only mix on the next run! just look up his name he did oustanding numbers with that mix! i tried it myself and it works! as for food, you could try pure blend pro bloom/cal-mag 15/5 ml a gallon when your mix starts gassing out. or floranova bloom 8 ml a gallon. Good luck and keep reaserching and reading! tons of info on this very fine site we'er at!

Appreciate you stopping by!, I'm going to look into the water only mix tomorrow when I'm actually awake! Would it be alright to just stick to only watering this run or should I feed? I'm on a very tight budget and try to only get the necessary things. Quick Question - How bad will 5 plants stank? The room that the tent is in is facing the street with a window. It's fine if the room itself has some dank smell to it, but if the whole house smells... or outside, I need to rethink something quick!

 

[drymouth]

if smell is the case, Og really does kick some carbon scrubers asses! some phenos reek hard! I would like to say your fine, but for safty reasons I'ed have to suggest to deal with it now as if you know it's going to reek! it's better to be safe, then in jail waiting to be arained! and dont worrie about water comming out the bottom yet they look prety small. theres a chance your plants might gas out to early you could try and top dress them with fresh soil since your under cfl's.... the demand for food might not be that high. keep some flora nova bloom on deck a small bottol is not that expensive and the ratio is low 8ml per gallon when needed. good luck!

 

[Str8Dank]

how tall of those plants and how may gallons is that pot? what you've been told is correct that the plant likes a wet and dry cycle and that you should be seeing a little run off. this means you've totally drenched the medium and that's what we want a really wet medium that we let totally dry before we make it wet again.

the issue is that is in a perfect world where the plant and pot are correctly sized for each other. in your case it looks like you may have a pot thats too big for your plants right now. when im in that situation i do not totally drench the medium it seems to be too much and the plant will stay wet too long. i usually wet near the stem like give it a good sized drink but not soak the whole medium some moisture will wick to the medium near the edge but you are only feeding really well in the part of the medium that is probably filled out with roots. this lets the pot dry out in a acceptable time still and because of the wicking action the outter medium gets moist and roots can explore and grow into it without drying out.

water is VERY heavy a gal of water is something like 9 lbs so its easy to feel when a plant needs a drink just by lifting it and feeling how light it is. being new when you think it's dry wait another day. watch it during this day and if it starts to droop or you see the medium pulling in from the sides of the pot creating a gap then you have let it go a little too far. if this happens once good its not the end of the world or horribly damaging to the plant if you catch it right when it happens and it allows you to really get a good idea of what a plants weight is like when the medium is completely dry its very noticeable how much less it weighs. if you have extra medium left in the bag fill up a pot the same size and feel the difference in weight between it and a plant watered. although we would like to think our plants weigh a ton even the bigger plants dont have much influence on the weight.

if i were you i would throw two 400w lights in there. that will really set that room off imo.

a pic from my last harvest. 236 grams ChemD in a 2 gal pot of coco

 

[BayAreaGrowers]

if smell is the case, Og really does kick some carbon scrubers asses! some phenos reek hard! I would like to say your fine, but for safty reasons I'ed have to suggest to deal with it now as if you know it's going to reek! it's better to be safe, then in jail waiting to be arained! and dont worrie about water comming out the bottom yet they look prety small. theres a chance your plants might gas out to early you could try and top dress them with fresh soil since your under cfl's.... the demand for food might not be that high. keep some flora nova bloom on deck a small bottol is not that expensive and the ratio is low 8ml per gallon when needed. good luck!

I'm really low on funds at the moment, would I be able to mask the smell with some car fresheners or some glade plug-ins or something... ahhaa.

Top dress them? do I replace the top soil?

A friend of mine actually bought "Formula Flora All-In-One" for me, I can't really find much info about it, but I was thinking about potentially using that. I feel like I would need to get PH Up/Down as well if I were to though.

how tall of those plants and how may gallons is that pot? what you've been told is correct that the plant likes a wet and dry cycle and that you should be seeing a little run off. this means you've totally drenched the medium and that's what we want a really wet medium that we let totally dry before we make it wet again.

the issue is that is in a perfect world where the plant and pot are correctly sized for each other. in your case it looks like you may have a pot thats too big for your plants right now. when im in that situation i do not totally drench the medium it seems to be too much and the plant will stay wet too long. i usually wet near the stem like give it a good sized drink but not soak the whole medium some moisture will wick to the medium near the edge but you are only feeding really well in the part of the medium that is probably filled out with roots. this lets the pot dry out in a acceptable time still and because of the wicking action the outter medium gets moist and roots can explore and grow into it without drying out.

water is VERY heavy a gal of water is something like 9 lbs so its easy to feel when a plant needs a drink just by lifting it and feeling how light it is. being new when you think it's dry wait another day. watch it during this day and if it starts to droop or you see the medium pulling in from the sides of the pot creating a gap then you have let it go a little too far. if this happens once good its not the end of the world or horribly damaging to the plant if you catch it right when it happens and it allows you to really get a good idea of what a plants weight is like when the medium is completely dry its very noticeable how much less it weighs. if you have extra medium left in the bag fill up a pot the same size and feel the difference in weight between it and a plant watered. although we would like to think our plants weigh a ton even the bigger plants dont have much influence on the weight.

if i were you i would throw two 400w lights in there. that will really set that room off imo.

a pic from my last harvest. 236 grams ChemD in a 2 gal pot of coco

Each plant is about 4-5 inches tall, and the pots are 12 ½ inch pots or 5 gallons I believe. 4/5 of my plants are looking much healthier and the weight trick works much much better than using a finger.. and it keeps my hands clean! I would love to use two 400w lights! But I cant afford, nor do I think I could cool the tent with those!

Wow, 236 grams in 2 gals... I would be happy with a 4th of that for each plant!

EDIT: Here's a picture of the only plant out of the 5 to not look very healthy I'm going to wait another day to see if I should water or not, I'm slowly getting a feel for the weight.. and I really do love not getting soil allover my hands, that was becoming a quick hassle!

 

[BayAreaGrowers]

Quick update, Starting to get a much better feel for watering! The weight trick is very simple after you practice for a few days. A few things that are worrying me that I have noticed in my tent.

The temperature tends to be rather high (85-90) I can't really think of anyway to solve it.. It's difficult because it's starting to heat up here in California, and the room it's in is just naturally getting hotter. Also the humidity seems to be pretty low as well (35-40)

I inspect my plants and only seem to find a few odd looking spots here and there but they all seem to be looking alright. I feel like they should be growing more but i have no idea! My lights are about 5 inches from the plants and it's very difficult for me to get them any closer (cheaply built DIY light fixture)

I took the screen out of my tent until the plants get a little bit taller, just makes it easier to handle with the plants.

I have no idea when I should top these babies! I plan on only doing it once though to not stress em out. I also have yet to come up with a smell solution, I have no money at the moment so I don't really know what to do.. I'm just waiting for the day it starts to odor. I've also been very paranoid about bugs... the room the tent is in gets a pretty good amount of traffic.

http://imgur.com/a/YXsdA#7N90W

Here is the album of the plants, a few of them still worry me but others look good!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

With all due respect, I'd think twice about a tent in a high traffic area. As far as the smell goes, you'd be better off taking care of it beforehand. You may get used to the smell but others won't. Be safe and best wishes.

 

[BayAreaGrowers]

With all due respect, I'd think twice about a tent in a high traffic area. As far as the smell goes, you'd be better off taking care of it beforehand. You may get used to the smell but others won't. Be safe and best wishes.

The sad thing is it's really the only option where to put it, It's in the corner and relatively isolated from the rest of the room. I'm trying to think of other places where I could put it and I'm drawing a blank. What are some of the problems that I can have because of this? I really want to be able to be successful with what I have now and I can make changes after this first run and when I have more supplies!