SOG too short?

[_Dude]

I think I made an error in my estimate of time left previously. I don't feel like checking ATM. I do know that Monday is day 56. Monday I start "chop watch." The first day after that that I don't see size gains, I'm going to chop. I probably won't wait more than 4 days though.

There aren't enough girls in there area wise, and there aren't enough girls in there density wise. I'm going to try 1/2 gallon bags next time, instead of 1 gallon. I didn't have enough cubes to raise more girls than I did, anyway, oh well.

Chaos, it's a perpetual grow or I'd agree about putting them right into final pots. They won't fit in my veg space that way. I think vegging them for a week in 2 or 3 inch cups will give them many times the root mass they can get just in 1.5" RW cubes, so it will be a lot better than nothing. They'll get that first 6-8" of height in veg, and take off running in 12/12 stretch.

Thanks for the replies fellas, I'm beat so I'll reply to everything tomorrow.

I'll take some pics Monday, and on chop day if they go further.

 

[Marshall]

I think I made an error in my estimate of time left previously. I don't feel like checking ATM. I do know that Monday is day 56. Monday I start "chop watch." The first day after that that I don't see size gains, I'm going to chop. I probably won't wait more than 4 days though.

for real? all that hard work and thats how you decide to harvest?

I suggest you hurry and do some reading on trichome colors and when to harvest

 

[High Country]

Feel the force Dude, go with the flow, then have another go, she'll be right mate.

 

[_Dude]

for real? all that hard work and thats how you decide to harvest?

I suggest you hurry and do some reading on trichome colors and when to harvest

I did plenty of reading. That's how I got the 56 day estimate, since my strain is unknown. 50/50 cloudy/amber. But DHF got me thinking and I figure if they're still putting on weight at a noticeable rate beyond day 56, he has a point. Next grow I'm going to try and pay close attention to when they stop stretching. Then I'll have an accurate estimate using DHF's "40%" method, and I can compare results with my old 50/50 cloudy/amber method.

This all makes sense to me. The goals of 50/50 or 40% methods aside (50/50's supposed to be potency, 40% seems more like a ripeness or yield thing), 50/50 is hardly an accurate way to time a strain, unless you're a computer. If you're not a computer, there's obviously a decent margin of error.

I value weight far more than potency. Nobody lab tests THC content before they buy a bag. Everybody busts out the scales.

Btw, the error I referred to above has nothing to do with any of this. That was just a brain fart.

 

[Marshall]

This all makes sense to me. The goals of 50/50 or 40% methods aside (50/50's supposed to be potency, 40% seems more like a ripeness or yield thing), 50/50 is hardly an accurate way to time a strain, unless you're a computer. If you're not a computer, there's obviously a decent margin of error.

I value weight far more than potency. Nobody lab tests THC content before they buy a bag. Everybody busts out the scales.

Btw, the error I referred to above has nothing to do with any of this. That was just a brain fart.

Just about every grower bases harvest time on trichomes. Everyone has their specific citeria. The ratio of clear/cloudy/amber affects the high and isnt relevant to weight.

People look at bag appeal and will sometimes sample. If you are selling weight and your product is shit, you will get your product back and be issuing a refund.


Shitty product doesnt sell, or it sells for far far far less what it should.

I dont think you have done enough reading and it really seems like you haven't sold weed before.

 

[lokes]

She will tell you when she's done. Some strains I go more amber some not.
Kinda like putting your ear to a train track and listening for the vibration.
Do it a few times, and you'll be guaranteed, she's just around the bend.

 

[DHF]

Marshall........You needta step off with the snide remarks cuz evidently YOU don`t have a fukin clue..........

Now with that said , I started this shit by quoting scientific fact from Cannastats over 15 yrs ago when weedsites began shortly after the internet boom .......

I lived by it and saw it to be 100% accurate in figuring a plant`s cycle REGARDLESS of what Breeders and seed hacks said about finishing times on ANY variety , no matter whether pure IBL , landrace , or hybrids from any facet of the spectrum.........OK ?.......

Your measure of trich colors are nothing but a estimated guess at best on when a plant is "so-called" ready , and for you ta say the longer you let a plant grow , the shittier it becomes , is pure unadulterated horsefuck........

Croppers pull shit at 7-8-9 weeks for rotations.......forfukinget trich colors from production crops cuz it don`t mean dick.......not that the shit`s not acceptable at those particular ages , but take any of em couple 3 weeks later and see what kinda medicine yas end up with.......

Runnin a strain longer only gives it more CBD to THC ratio with more couchlock/narcotic/med quality , and gives more of a true look into the strain`s actual end result/effect as long as the plant doesn`t start dying on the vine , I assure you from many many yrs of doin this.........

I mean take a 10 week strain at 7 weeks and you`ll get speedy , hazy , sativa-ish paranoid qualities , this ain`t rocket science , it`s personal preference on the effect from a particular variety that`s taken at those rotations....that`s where finish times came from........breeders and seed sales .......trich`s have some meaning , but only in the facet of preference.........period.....

Dude`s been around Marshall , and you talkin down to him with your condescending bullshit benefits noone and shows what an ass you are..... And as far as talkin shit bout him sellin or NOT sellin weed`s not EVEN cool.........Grow up........

Hope harvey was good to yas Dude.........

Peace.....DHF..............

 

[BlueberryLovr]

Am I missing something? Seems like Marshall and DHF are on the same page when it comes to harvest time. One was just a bit nicer about it. Running length and trich colors go hand in hand usually, no? Ie. Run a strain longer and you typically get more cloudy or amber.

 

[DHF]

Marshall`s not got a clue which page I`m on.........trich color determines preference at a certain age for a certain effect........period...nuthin else....

I ran my cycles and rotation every 9 weeks for production , and my headies room with Chem D done at 77 days compared to 63 was as different as daylight and dark in comparison to swellage , potency , and flavor.......

Gotta learn the plant and forget about "Suggested" finishing times by seed sellers and so-called "trich colors".....I`ve run plants till they died on the vine without ever seeing an amber trich.......I`ve seen plant`s on the sativa side of a hybrid that rarely went cloudy and stayed crystal clear till death.....

Nuthin`s written in stone.........Gotta pull em either by rotations/production , or let em go till they stop swellin and growin on the vine IME.......

Again.........Trich color is just a suggestion....a comparison from grow to grow to go by for consistency across the board......nuthin more........

Nuff from my old ass.....DHF............

 

[Marshall]

and for you ta say the longer you let a plant grow , the shittier it becomes , is pure unadulterated horsefuck........



.. And as far as talkin shit bout him sellin or NOT sellin weed`s not EVEN cool............

Where did I say the longer it grew, it got shittier??? Quite the opposite. Dude is going by weight nothing else.

I didn't bring up him selling weed, he did.

The first day after that that I don't see size gains, I'm going to chop. I probably won't wait more than 4 days though.

he started by saying he was basing harvest on weight.

I value weight far more than potency. Nobody lab tests THC content before they buy a bag. Everybody busts out the scales.

here he CLEARLY states he doesnt give a shit about potency, just weight. He gives commercial growers a bad name.






Sure there are a lot of ways to judge harvest time, but purely based on weight isn't the best IMO.




BTW I was nice at first till he stated he didn't care about potency, just weigh

 

[_Dude]

Final tally is in. 14.35z from 53 girls (2 were so small I just left them sitting there, not worth the trouble), 0 veg. I'm pretty excited about that actually. I think I'll be able to pull 2 elbows per 1k when I get this dialed in - smaller containers, more girls, and about a week of veg.

The buds are by far the biggest, nicest-looking I've ever harvested. Huge compared to the bushes I was growing. As for the "when to harvest" argument, I'm not interested in participating. Maybe some other time. I'm satisfied with what I'm doing in that regard.

 

[_Dude]

here he CLEARLY states he doesnt give a shit about potency, just weight. He gives commercial growers a bad name.

Yeah, the union's gonna be pissed. WTF?

Where do you live guy? Let me guess. California? West coast? A lot of west coast growers seem to think their thoughts dictate the market out east. Truth is nobody out east gives a shit what west coast growers think about the east coast market.

It would be like me trying to tell west coast growers about their market, based on what I know about the east coast market. I've read enough about the west coast market from west coast growers to know there's a difference. A lot of WC growers mostly seem to think west coast market=the same as the market everywhere. Wrong. I don't even see the sense of assuming the market's the same from city to city, much less coast to coast.

I know this much. I know my market better than anyone outside my city.

BTW I was nice at first till he stated he didn't care about potency, just weigh

Guy, you have reading comprehension problems, to go with your personality problems. I mean, who thinks you get to start acting like an asshole as soon as I say I don't care about potency (personality problem)? And who turns "I value weight far more than potency" into "I don't care about potency" (reading comprehension problem)?

 

[_Dude]

I dont think you have done enough reading and it really seems like you haven't sold weed before.

Hahahahaha, that's funny.

 

[Marshall]

Was I an asshole? I don't think so, not until DHF piped in. This thread seemed like someone that was a newb with the constant questions about the plant height and nute fuckup. So I offered some advice on harvest

Glancing through some of your other posts, it seems like you have been growing for a while, so my bad for assuming you were a newb. I have been growing for 4 years and there are some things I post about about that are newbish, like sexing plants. It happens

When you say you value weight far more than potency, there really isnt any other way to comprehend it, not for me at least.

No I am not on the west grow, nor do I grow elite strains. But I have experience in 2 totally different markets, and quality is always an issue. I did notice in another thread you stated your market was expensive and you sold for less. Maybe that's cause of quality? Not trying to be a dick, just trying to give you another point of view

Since you are in soil, it shouldn't be hard to leave a few plants behind and let them go an extra couple weeks and see how they turn out. You may get a little extra weight and more potency. The more potency, the more you may be able to get for them. In the long run it may work out better, less harvests, less labor but more profit


Me personally if I am taking the risk, I want to get as much reward as I can

Good luck either way. Plants look good from the last picture


BTW, it seems like you are trying to figure out if bushes or SOGS yield more. I have always grown SOG until now. I was almost at that 1gpw and I have read alot of grow logs of 5k+ and SOG was always the highest yielder. But due to lack of mom/clone space and the labor of dealing with hundreds of clones, I am trying bigger plants, 10-20 per 4x8 table

 

[Marshall]

Final tally is in. 14.35z from 53 girls (2 were so small I just left them sitting there, not worth the trouble), 0 veg. I'm pretty excited about that actually. I think I'll be able to pull 2 elbows per 1k when I get this dialed in - smaller containers, more girls, and about a week of veg.

The buds are by far the biggest, nicest-looking I've ever harvested. Huge compared to the bushes I was growing. As for the "when to harvest" argument, I'm not interested in participating. Maybe some other time. I'm satisfied with what I'm doing in that regard.

i reread the first page and didnt see how much lighting you were using. I assume 1k since you just made reference to that. You can do much better than 14.35. Not being an asshole, just letting you know to keep at it and there is a lot more potential. Your plans of more girls is what I would do. seems like you are on th right track

I reread some of the first posts about a true SOG having no veg. On some strains that dont stretch much in flower, a little veg is needed, otherwise you get a plant that is 6" tall when done


good luck

 

[_Dude]

Yeah I'm not going to be happy until I'm getting at least 24z per 1k. And I'll be satisfied when I can pull two elbows per.

I've had a few harvests since the one detailed above, but yields haven't improved much. I think my problem was nutes. I switched to 2:1 maxibloom to maxigro and I'm liking the results. Enough N to keep them happy during stretch.

Here's some pics of my latest, at day 25 or so. I don't know the strain but if stretch is 40% of total flowering time then these girls are a 57-60 day strain. They're looking great, except for the thrip invasion that I'll be repelling tomorrow. I'll try to remember to take some pics before lights on next time.

 

[_Dude]

Staying on top of nutes made a big difference, that and making sure I vegged em long enough under the 400. Right now I have to veg them for a long time because the veg tub is plumbed to the same res that the flower tubs run on. Soon I'll be able to move the veg tub and tap it into a proper veg nute mix.

The girls are all 18-24" tall. I need to trim them something fierce so I guess I'll do that tomorrow when I spray with Spinosad.

 

[Cannabean]

whats up _dude, glad to see youre still trying to hit that 2lb/light mark. I just harvested one of my better SOG harvests and got 722g off a 1kw. Getting close to that magical 900g mark but still a ways to go. Keep it up K+

 

[_Dude]

Thanks Cannabean. I'd be pretty thrilled to get 722g per 1k. Good on ya.

Here are some pics. Day 27 I think. About half way to harvest. I just got finished trimming them and spraying them down with Spinosad. So they're skinny and all wet.

 

[_Dude]

Hey Cannabean do you have the details of your grow anywhere? Lighting, canopy size & footprint, # of girls, strain, veg details, containers, medium, nute regimen, hydro style, stuff like that?