Farmers Are Destroying My Crops!!!

[moondawg]

Im an outdoor grower in farm country US and the local farm community is screwing with the enviroment and making it nearly impossible for me to grow my weed.

Ive watched for years while farmers sprayed the local tobacco crop with fungicides and you can watch a cloud of the spray from a 200 acre field drift for miles. Well now after years of that, every fungal monster in the closet has come out to attack and they are resistant to treatments. The acrobat and other powerful systemic fungicides theyre spraying have made these funguses super fungus and i cant use the high powered systemics on my weed.

Roundup, acrobat, seldane, Benomyl, Kitazin: These guys are blowing dangerous chemicals all over the enviroment and its causing big problems in the surrounding fauna. Guess who's trying to grow weed in the surrounding enviroment. IM NOT AN INDOOR GROWER!!!!! If its effecting my plants, you can only imagine what else is going on.

 

[longearedfriend]

Are you growing in their corn fields or something ?

It's not only your crops that are suffering unfortunately...

 

[fishheadbob]

It's a problem for you and also the farmers but we all like cheap food so we either have to adjust to it, or pay the extra for organic food. Pests get resistant to anything after enough seasons, right about the time they can eat pesticides for a snack, which is usually about the time the current stuff comes off patent, the chemical companies come out with something new and more expensive that kills the shit out of them for a while. Funny how they always guarantee it safe.
Now in addition to all the other factors in picking a good outdoor grow spot you have to play the wind. Plant upwind from the fields and you might get less toxicity. Also, that shit tends to be pretty expensive . Some guy wasting spray by having it drift for long distances is wasting a lot of bucks when the stuff isn't getting on his crops, he might decide there's more money to be made working in the plant or driving truck. Maybe alert the local Ag guys - extension or whoever - that farmer McDonald is doing a lousy job and spraying everybody downwind of him. It's bad farming to spray anything when the wind is blowing, the extension guys would be doing their job to educate him/them about wasting money and the environment with excessive drift.

 

[supermanlives]

serenade is safe

 

[Lazyman]

Yeah I use Serenade, Eagle20 and Greencure, all good fungicides and safe for use on weed. I know it's supposed to be for PM< but when I stopped spraying Eagle20 in early/mid flower I had a HUGE botrytis explosion and lost a pound of primo tops to mold. Coincedence? I think not!

 

[moondawg]

Are you growing in their corn fields or something ?

No, but any location around here is going to be within a short distance of ag crops and the fungiced resistant organisms they are creating are everywhere, not just next to the crop.

Good advice Fishead Bob, but it doesnt seem to matter. There is blight, pm and what appears to be other fungases growing on everything everywhere. Trees, weeds, everything seems to have it. I did report overspraying last year and was told rain had delayed spraying and farmers are doing the best they can.

Supermanlives, sorry for the typo. Youre right, serenade MIGHT be safe. I meant to type Kitazin and Benomyl, which is 2 of the main fungicides being used.

Eagle 20 isnt safe - no systemic is in my view.

 

[anonnoats]

I won't grow anything outside where I live. I'm used to having tomats, cukes, and all kinds of other vegetables in my outdoor garden, but they spray for all sorts of pests in the streets here. Rural effing America. It needs to stop, but no one wants to listen.

 

[Lazyman]

Eagle20 IS safe, it only lasts for 4 weeks in the plant, Krunchbubble has had his Eagle-20-sprayedweed lab tested and they found no trace of it 4 weeks later.

Serenade is OMRI-listed and organic (mostly sulfur), and Greencure is just potassium bicarbonate.

If you haven't studied these things in great detail please don't tell people what they can use or not.

 

[supermanlives]

first i am gonna say consider becoming an indoor grower. while i dont agree with some pesticides,fungicides them guys are doing their job. your just one sprout in a field of corn.an as a former farmer ,greenhouse op i can say you do what ya got to do an i never felt sorry about anything i did. atleast everything i used was legal . i had a friend with a huge cooler in his basement full of banned stuff.i opened the door only once got a whiff ,read a few labels and shut it quick. i told him no thank you , he said why? all this stuff works fine for me. well to be honests him and all his family were weird sort of creepy iand inbred in my opinion

 

[supermanlives]

damn hippies are ruining us farmers crops. they tear up our plants . mess with our fucking irrigation and leave trash everywhere.which inevitably leads to a bust and the cops trampling 1/2 acre for your small measly plants. which are valued by police at ten million on the news LOL

 

[grapeman]

Decent farmers rotate their fungicides so as NOT to build resistant strains of diseases.

Hard for me to believe that your worries are all due to bad farmers.

 

[supermanlives]

i heard grapeman is moving in next door and using alot of DDT

 

[supermanlives]

not all farmers just randomly spread chemicals,herbicides ect. they spend alot of money and if smart have some kind of plan. ipm for insects for example . in which you swich up.have you encountered any super bugs yet?

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

I think you are tripping. I have seen plenty of weed grown around farm land. in the central valley we have a pretty big delta system that feeds everything. I have seen herb that was grown in cornfields, near grape vineyards and other farms, and on the river itself. None of it had a hard time. I don't know if what your thinking is the problem.

And also, if you do it indoors in your area, you will more than likely get it there as well. The air in your house is essentially air from outside. It is very easy for things to spread. Good luck!

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Eagle20 IS safe, it only lasts for 4 weeks in the plant, Krunchbubble has had his Eagle-20-sprayedweed lab tested and they found no trace of it 4 weeks later.

Serenade is OMRI-listed and organic (mostly sulfur), and Greencure is just potassium bicarbonate.

If you haven't studied these things in great detail please don't tell people what they can use or not.

Lazyman, believe me, the first year this super fungus appeared and wipped out 40lbs of my weed, i studied every product i could find and the second year when it took another 20 -25 lbs, the search for safe and effective products became frantic. I now can control it, but because funguses become resistant so quickly, any suggestion that Eagle 20, Liquid Copper or any other product will work more than 1 or 2 seasons is to misunderstand fungal evolvement. EVERY single paper written about these types of fungicides warns that fungus will become resistant very quickly and because of that, no single fungicide is effective.


BongRipkenJr, i wasnt aware that they grew burley tobacco in the central valley. I thought the only places in the world it is grown was here and in virginia. Tobacco fungicides are the problem. Applying Greencure to these fungus's is the equivallent of pissing on a forest fire.

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

We don't have tobacco. You are correct. I just figured with all the vineyards we have, and the fact that the vineyards here are prone to extreme cases of PM and molds amongst other things, that they would be spraying quite a bit. I used to operate an excavator on a farm that grew alfalfa and vegetables with what seemed to be a crop duster hitting it every few days. It was also right next to the delta. One of the mexicans was growing in the middle of a blackberry patch with no problem. I am unaware of the problem with tobacco though. Maybe your guy's climate mixed with the products they use is a problem. We do have the Super Mite here. It is resistant to any treatment.

 

[grapeman]

Lazyman, believe me, the first year this super fungus appeared and wipped out 40lbs of my weed, i studied every product i could find and the second year when it took another 20 -25 lbs, the search for safe and effective products became frantic. I now can control it, but because funguses become resistant so quickly, any suggestion that Eagle 20, Liquid Copper or any other product will work more than 1 or 2 seasons is to misunderstand fungal evolvement. EVERY single paper written about these types of fungicides warns that fungus will become resistant very quickly and because of that, no single fungicide is effective.


BongRipkenJr, i wasnt aware that they grew burley tobacco in the central valley. I thought the only places in the world it is grown was here and in virginia. Tobacco fungicides are the problem. Applying Greencure to these fungus's is the equivallent of pissing on a forest fire.

rotate your fungicides. Eagle - Pristine - Rally - Elite - Flint etc etc etc. Most have a different mode of action which makes it near impossible for super strains to develop. In a single season, good growers may start with a copper based fungicide in early spring and apply 3 or 4 others during the growing season.

 

[turflord]

DS TOKER MD Have you tried chitin/chitosan. Its made from crab and shrimp shells. Hydrolyzes fungi on contact. Basically it melts it...