The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[nomaad]

Yours is the right way. Inflating my tarps would obviously raise the risk of light leaks. Would have reversed that if i had proofread.

 

[ms try comb]

Yours is the right way. Inflating my tarps would obviously raise the risk of light leaks. Would have reversed that if i had proofread.

i dont think it would be as extreme to make light leaks but it certainly doesn't seem advantageous in anyway.....good thinking though. i assume those tarps ways about 100 pounds?

 

[feenom]

nomaad - when in august did you cease pulling tarps?

 

[feenom]

does anyone think that horse manure effects the taste of the herb??

 

[localhero]

ive noticed herb grown on horse manure gives me the urge to run wild in a field, the wind in my hair, ah to be free. whereas herb grown in chicken manure compels me to wander around aimlessly pecking at shiny things. no difference in the taste though.

seriously though, flavor isnt imparted into the plant based on what you feed it. this is why watering with coolaid or whatever doesnt make your bud taste like cherry. supposedely there are some products that will change the smell of your bud(like more citrus or whatever) but im skeptical and i wouldnt buy into that.

probably the only difference youd ever find is if you didnt flush your plants. even in organic soil ive noticed you need to flush (i know this is a hotly debated topic) I read in here that organics dont need flushing and so i went with that and ended up with harsh smoke, flushed the plants on the next round and no harshness.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

ive noticed herb grown on horse manure gives me the urge to run wild in a field, the wind in my hair, ah to be free. whereas herb grown in chicken manure compels me to wander around aimlessly pecking at shiny things. no difference in the taste though.

Two cows were grazing out in the pasture, and one voiced a concern about mad cow desease. " Im really worried about this mad cow disease, they say it eats your brain". Other cow say "Oh"
The first cow says " arent you afraid too?" Second cow says" Oh hell no. Im a squirrel".

 

[shroomyshroom]

Dr. Purpur I have not laughed like that in a very long time thank you brother

 

[ms try comb]

seriously though, flavor isnt imparted into the plant based on what you feed it.

thats not true at all....u obviously haven't grown the same strain with different feedings and compared notes.

try growing 2 of the same clone side by side feeding one with guanos/manures and one with plant extracts.......note the results and then edit your post.

 

[Eatatjoes]

Could someone tell me how many hours do you guys keep your supplemental lighting on? What amount per day is minimal? Do you think civil twilight is enough to keep them vegging or do you go by the actual sunrise and sunset tables? I'm having trouble keeping lights up for supplementation, the earlier they go the better. I'm feeling like a landing strip and the planes are coming down on me

 

[nomaad]

i make 18 hours of light, just like they get inside.

 

[Eatatjoes]

i make 18 hours of light, just like they get inside.

Thanks nomaad, Do you go by the actual sunrise sunset times or by the twilight? Here the twilight would add nearly 2 hours to my day. I just realized that you live in the trees and might not get much twilight.

 

[localhero]

thats not true at all....u obviously haven't grown the same strain with different feedings and compared notes.

try growing 2 of the same clone side by side feeding one with guanos/manures and one with plant extracts.......note the results and then edit your post.

the question was if horse manure gives herb a different taste. if there were certain desireable tastes imparted through different ferts then shouldnt there be a documented list somewhere?

for example:
plant extracts = fruity taste
horse manure = horse taste


if there is such a list lets see it, it would be a crucial aspect of what we do here. I use all sorts of different amendments from seaweed to chicken manure to molasses to guano teas to alfalfa meal, bone meal, azomite, zeolite, horticultural charcoal, mycorhizae, humus compost, leaf compost, calcium 25, dolomitic lime , calcidic lime, humic acid, worm castings, probably more crap im forgetting. everything has its purpose and its always changing and getting tweaked.

regardless, i always flush my plants even if i dont think they need it. so maybe if i didnt flush i might be able to tell a difference in differently grown plants but i would attribute that to the vigor of the plant and its ability to use up ferts in the soil prior to cutting, affecting the amount of residual chems left in the plant.

ofcourse different growing methods create different end results. i get different results with clones in the same soil fed the same at the same time. maybe its the amount of sun that plant gets. maybe some soils in some pots develop a more healthy bacterial and fungal make up creating a healthier plant. maybe one plant gets unlucky when a termite lands on it and goes to town. maybe i topped one clone more than the others. maybe one plant was too damn close to the tomatoes and was fighting thrips for the first month of veg. then theres altitude, climate zone, micro climate, rain issues...

im not saying experiments are impossible, and im not opposed to experimenting. every grow is an experiment. im just opposed to declaring one individual thing to success when theres just way too many factors involved. im sure everyone knows this is a concert orchestra, not a drum solo.

i really want to try this 50% horse manure mix. sounds so nice and simple. simplicity is my new goal for the next grow. to be honest, trying to get all the crap to work well together in the proper proportions is a pain in the ass.

I guess i came off kinda strong in my response to that guy and im sorry for that. ive been where that guy is. reading through every thread i could, seeing something mentioned and then researching that. that research leads me to a new ingredient, open new tab research that. 20 new tabs later enter overwhelming sensation of feeling lost. growing is supposed to be simple, i put a plant in the ground and water it. but now i have to know the importance of cation exchange and soil porosity and npk values and brix levels and oh shit what if horse manure makes my bud taste different?

so to any new guys reading this, heres what ive learned:

1- location location location. for both growing and legal reasons. if youre in a semi coastal area like i am, put simple clear plastic canopies over your plants. it keeps that heavy night mist off and will do wonders to keep bud rot to a minimum. plus you wont be freaking out when it rains.

2- keep your soil simple. add calcium per tom hills recommendations, it will help prevent your plants from getting powdery mildew. the hydro store should be used in extreme moderation or things can get really expensive really fast.

3- familiarize yourself with the bugs and diseases that like to ravage our beloved plant. most likely being: thrips, caterpillars, fungus gnats, spider mites, powdery mildew, and bud rot. either way you will learn about all these things, prevention and catching them early are key.

4- be safe. learn about the legal side of this game and have a plan should anything happen. welcome to bein a grower, theres an imaginary target on your plants and you. plan accordingly. prevention is key.

5- learn how to properly cure your finished product, theres a great thread here that takes out alot of the guess work. search "a perfect cure every time".

6-if you dont have a job other than growing, self management can get out of control. you used to get up at the crack ass of dawn for a job you hated so dont get up at noon to do something you love.


ok so this post got way out of hand. HAPPY 420 EVERYONE!

 

[nomaad]

Thanks nomaad, Do you go by the actual sunrise sunset times or by the twilight? Here the twilight would add nearly 2 hours to my day. I just realized that you live in the trees and might not get much twilight.

I have my lights going by the time the natural light begins to wane. Last year lights were set to come on at 6:30 and stay on till midnight.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

My son grew some gorilla grow up in West Point in pine needles and composted needles. He planted small plants unsexed then went back at harvest time. It was seeded but there was a bunch of bud, and it all tasted exactly like Pine.

 

[ms try comb]

My son grew some gorilla grow up in West Point in pine needles and composted needles. He planted small plants unsexed then went back at harvest time. It was seeded but there was a bunch of bud, and it all tasted exactly like Pine.

here is an example local hero......came quick.....obviously flushing helps this process of clearing the taste of ne medium......but it certainly doesn't disappear......id suggest u just doing a side by side and see what u think yourself ........i have

 

[localhero]

well i believe dr purpur. if it was guerilla and near a bunch of pine needles and pine trees do you think it could have been a result of the terpenes given off by the trees surrounding that stuck to the plant? i know that if you park under a pine tree youre gonna get sap on your car, alot of it.

im not totally discounting it, im just very skeptical. i mean otherwise we would have more examples of this phenomenon.

right now the only way im thinking your bud would taste like horse manure is if you foliar fed it liquified horse manure.

 

[Eatatjoes]

I have my lights going by the time the natural light begins to wane. Last year lights were set to come on at 6:30 and stay on till midnight.

Thanks again nomaad
That's what I've been running lately, good to know I got it right.

 

[Ganja D]

Whats up guys,just wanted to pop in. On the sup light part,I have my lights in greenhouse hoops set the same as my veg room.
I cut the light down to 16/8 a few weeks ago from 5 am to 9 pm like late spring-early summer days. I have light in my hoop on at 5 am till 10 am,then on again at 4:30 in the afternoon and on till 9 pm. Put clones outside under hoops 2 days ago. So far I got a nice growth rate already in 5 gallon pots.
I did make one mistake though. I planted my first round of seeds so early I may have to give them sup light. Some of the males look like they're about to flower on me. I planted the seeds in early to mid feb.
Also,I scored 3 gallons of brix mix and a ton of the powder today,it was justing sitting in storage at a local hydro store. So happy I don't have to make that shit my self and buy 12 different things.
Hope you guys are all doing good and getting shit done. Fuck this rain.
Peace.

 

[TheFlyinHaWyn!]

i am big stutzam's chicken shit fan...for years outdoor...nothing like the sweet flavors you get using that shit, literally

i will be trying to grow some large plants this year, i am shooting for a pound a plant in containers using chicken shit tea and maybe some natural additives...fish bones...some kelp....my area i am thinking about putting out like june 1...started seeds, will take clones and put the mommas out....schrom frost mmm..lemon....7 legal medical plants for a friend...maybe 7 lbs by end of long season....doable...we shall see though

tom is da man...cool runnings brother! aloha!

 

[TheFlyinHaWyn!]

stuztman chicken shit haha stoned!