FBI shuts down online poker in the US...

[LovableHuggable]

Again I will pose this question.

If the 1st Amendment applies and WE are FREE to ASSOCIATE (more important than religion to me) how can the government VIOLATE the rights of so many in the pursuit of so FEW?

In my opinion the ACTIONS of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and the LAWS they used to JUSTIFY their actions are ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

None of this changes the fact that THE GOVERNMENT will crush any group it wishes IRRESPECTIVE of MORALITY or CONSTITUTION.

I think it's bullshit myself but that doesn't change the fact that laws were passed making it illegal to run a gambling site and move the money. The law was tacked onto safe ports in 06 by Republican cocksmokers Frist, Kyl, and two others. It would have never passed on it's own. The sites will now have to argue they are not a gambling site but a game of skill. Well to me both are true but then again wall street is the same thing.

This country has had a history of going after gamblers all the way back to the riverboat gamblers in the 1800's. This shit ain't nothing new and it will never stop ppl.

Nope the greatest IRONY is that this very week, Gary Loveman, Chairman Caesar's Entertainment (formerly Harrah's) spoke live on CNBC about starting an ONLINE poker site to complement their casino operations and The World Series of Poker (which is owned by Caesar's).

Money talks and the corruption of US corporations and the US Government is once again trampling US citizens and Aliens (yeah that is what they call all the rest of you) alike.

This was in the cards long before this happened my friend. Wynn had deals with stars and someone else did with tilt. Rumors were flying that Lee Jones left Cake poker and Hellmuth left UB to work with a US casino putting together a site months ago. Lee Jones for those who don't know was the man, the face that made stars what it is today. He is respected like none other in the online community and he deserves every bit of it. But this all was happening or rumored b/c Harry Reid put in a bill to regulate and legalize it.

 

[Lone Wolf]

lol, i knew when i said that i lost a few bucks here and there on poker that some of you fools would try and spin it .... if you really want to know the truth i have won more then i have lost on online poker...

and it is pretty damn ignorant of you guys to denounce the possibility of a rigged poker room... seriously... it would not be hard for them to totally conceal this. If one man programmed the poker-table platform, then 1 man can CERTAINLY program a fictitious/rigged playing environment... 1 man can also keep a secret.... HELL, there are stories of guys rigging actual physical gambling equipment within a real life casino and getting away with it.... and to say that it cannot be done in virtual reality? come the fuck on.... .... many thanks to the peeps who left me the rep agreeing with me...


but on a more serious note, does anyone know if the people who had money in their accounts will ever be able to get that money back? there HAD to of been folks with hundreds of thousands of dollars in their accounts who got locked out of that cash.... if that were me I would be TRIPPPPPIN........



.......ahhhhhhh maybe THATS why I am catching flack from some of you guys on here for speaking my mind about the importance for the FBI to stop precious $$ from leaving the country and weaking it, meanwhile strengthening another... did you guys have fifty bucks in your account and now you hate the world because your life savings were lost??

 

[Hydrosun]

ALL the sites are still up and running. To LW's point that the internet COULD BE RIGGED; you yourself admitted that REAL LIFE casino games can be rigged. SO what is the real point of using US muscle? It sure as fuck wasn't to protect the consumer / player. The US Government LOVES multi-billion dollar frauds, and would have never done anything if these WERE rigged. They only give a shit because they WEREN'T rigged and people were going to patronize these sites for generations.

Why should the rest of the world give two shits about a law the USA enacted in 2006? Especially when the law seeks to IMPRISON foreigners for operating LEGAL business oversees.

If the US Government has a problem with online poker, why not prosecute AMERICANS in AMERICA playing online poker? Didn't these same fucking AMERICANS receive money from these sites and transmitt money to these sites?

You can still download and install full tilt from their .co.uk address.

It looks like it is time for American's to start talking to their friends internationally and set up poker accounts with NON US addresses. Then Xfer all online money to newly created foreign accounts. Or somehow have our frozen monies transmitted to us.

 

[ASMA]

i usually played 4hrs a day, ive only had 2 times when i had a bs call at the table. im really distraught that i cant play any more, sitting here stoned with nothing to do now other than watch porn. im seriouslly going to miss paying my rent on time now.....

 

[LovableHuggable]

and it is pretty damn ignorant of you guys to denounce the possibility of a rigged poker room... seriously... it would not be hard for them to totally conceal this. If one man programmed the poker-table platform, then 1 man can CERTAINLY program a fictitious/rigged playing environment... 1 man can also keep a secret.... HELL, there are stories of guys rigging actual physical gambling equipment within a real life casino and getting away with it.... and to say that it cannot be done in virtual reality? come the fuck on.... .... many thanks to the peeps who left me the rep agreeing with me...

but on a more serious note, does anyone know if the people who had money in their accounts will ever be able to get that money back? there HAD to of been folks with hundreds of thousands of dollars in their accounts who got locked out of that cash.... if that were me I would be TRIPPPPPIN........

.......ahhhhhhh maybe THATS why I am catching flack from some of you guys on here for speaking my mind about the importance for the FBI to stop precious $$ from leaving the country and weaking it, meanwhile strengthening another... did you guys have fifty bucks in your account and now you hate the world because your life savings were lost??

Stop making claims that a site has rigged the games or the RNG. You cannot back it up with facts only bullshit statements. The only thing close to shady any site did was what happened on UB and AP and that was an app allowing Russ Hamilton and crew to see hole cards, not rig the outcomes. Like I said before and I will say it again. GO right fucking here and buy a billion hand histories and run the statistical analysis yourself! http://www.pokertableratings.com/buy-hand-histories

And yes ppl are locked out of their money and likely will be for a long time. This has cost myself and my friends over 100k and it hurts like a bitch. The Tusk/microgaming liquidation got us too for close to 100k collectively.

I think the FBI should stop your precious ass from growing and selling pot. Maybe I should call them for you...

So yeah most losers and ppl who have no fucking clue of variance love to think it's rigged. You are a dime a dozen on 2p2 and none of you have come forth with any quantifiable evidence that the sites are rigged depsite the MASSIVE DATAMINING that has occured in the last 4 years of observed poker play. Sites like pokertableratings have more data and hand histories than any individual poker room and they have done the analysis and if it was rigged it would have been outted just like the players caught the cheaters on AP/UB and used 2p2 to coordinate an investigation that led to 60 minutes picking up the story.

SO AGAIN IF YOU THINK THE SITES ARE RIGGED THEN GO JOIN THE OTHER IGNORANT FOOLS AND FIND THE QUANTIFIABLE EVIDENCE THROUGH THE BILLIONS OF HAND HISTORIES PUBLICLY AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO PURCHASE. UNTIL THEN STFU ABOUT IT!

 

[LovableHuggable]

ALL the sites are still up and running. To LW's point that the internet COULD BE RIGGED; you yourself admitted that REAL LIFE casino games can be rigged. SO what is the real point of using US muscle? It sure as fuck wasn't to protect the consumer / player. The US Government LOVES multi-billion dollar frauds, and would have never done anything if these WERE rigged. They only give a shit because they WEREN'T rigged and people were going to patronize these sites for generations.

Why should the rest of the world give two shits about a law the USA enacted in 2006? Especially when the law seeks to IMPRISON foreigners for operating LEGAL business oversees.

If the US Government has a problem with online poker, why not prosecute AMERICANS in AMERICA playing online poker? Didn't these same fucking AMERICANS receive money from these sites and transmitt money to these sites?

You can still download and install full tilt from their .co.uk address.

It looks like it is time for American's to start talking to their friends internationally and set up poker accounts with NON US addresses. Then Xfer all online money to newly created foreign accounts. Or somehow have our frozen monies transmitted to us.

Some of us have been playing on euro only sites since 2006 through various means and connections. Those who want to play will. No matter what.

 

[dbuzz]

and it is pretty damn ignorant of you guys to denounce the possibility of a rigged poker room... seriously... it would not be hard for them to totally conceal this. If one man programmed the poker-table platform, then 1 man can CERTAINLY program a fictitious/rigged playing environment... 1 man can also keep a secret.... HELL, there are stories of guys rigging actual physical gambling equipment within a real life casino and getting away with it.... and to say that it cannot be done in virtual reality? come the fuck on.... .... many thanks to the peeps who left me the rep agreeing with me...

.......ahhhhhhh maybe THATS why I am catching flack from some of you guys on here for speaking my mind about the importance for the FBI to stop precious $$ from leaving the country and weaking it, meanwhile strengthening another... did you guys have fifty bucks in your account and now you hate the world because your life savings were lost??

no offense but if you knew anything about online poker you would have just mentioned the ub/ap superuser scandal. it's possible, but that argument is old and invalid now. it's funny how you toot ignorance, yet you have no information on the subject. the bad sites have their bad reputations, and the good ones have theirs. pokerstars and ftp were at the top of their game, completely safe to use, and have never had superuser cheating. the only players at risk were high rollers, so it's not like it would have affected you.

and btw, ub/ap reimbursed the players that lost money in the scandal.

meanwhile you got much more serious things weakening the country, the drug war, war on terrorism, the banks, wall street, corporations, etc. etc. and you're crying about online poker.

 

[confused]

I haven't stepped foot in this area of ICMAG in a while.... but listen to Warren Buffett talk about gambling. I've played my fair share of cards and can only say watch this video if you wonder about your gambling inability to generate value for society. Ignore the addiction aspect and it is still a worthless hobby (even if you make money).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv_pDKfUFgo

Marijuana is way more respectable than poker. Focus your efforts away from poker, its a negative sum game .

Ohh and to stir up the pot... Blah blah blah Russ Hamilton.... Blah blah blah potripper, blah blah durrrrrballs blah blah blah deeb looks like a lesbian blah blah blah quit poker and do something with your life. It is barely acceptable as a long-term hobby.

Now someone please try to make an argument that gambling generates jobs.... haha

 

[over10]

I haven't stepped foot in this area of ICMAG in a while.... but listen to Warren Buffett talk about gambling. I've played my fair share of cards and can only say watch this video if you wonder about your gambling inability to generate value for society. Ignore the addiction aspect and it is still a worthless hobby (even if you make money).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv_pDKfUFgo

Marijuana is way more respectable than poker. Focus your efforts away from poker, its a negative sum game .

Ohh and to stir up the pot... Blah blah blah Russ Hamilton.... Blah blah blah potripper, blah blah durrrrrballs blah blah blah deeb looks like a lesbian blah blah blah quit poker and do something with your life. It is barely acceptable as a long-term hobby.

Now someone please try to make an argument that gambling generates jobs.... haha

I am you.

 

[Hydrosun]

Now someone please try to make an argument that gambling generates jobs.... haha

It does WAY more for society than RELIGION. If this country will call what catholic priests do "Jobs", then playing poker is a profession and career.

 

[Bobby Stainless]

Yeah...

The guy I know who has cleared 1.1 million this year playing poker, probably thinks it's just a waste of time. He has made 20k so far this month.....

LOL.

Poker is a skill game, not gambling. If you are gambling while playing poker, you do not know what you are doing.

I've won thousands playing poker over the years. Little bit more profitable, than collecting Hummels.

 

[confused]

It does WAY more for society than RELIGION.

I agree. But that is along the lines of saying cancer is more fun than aids.

The guy I know who has cleared 1.1 million this year playing poker, probably thinks it's just a waste of time. He has made 20k so far this month.....

First off, I'm not trying to really argue on the internet but....

1.1 million a year live play would be impossible unless he was playing 25/50+ more than a few hours a day. Those games don't run that often even in Vegas these days. Maybe your friend lives in Macau?

1.1 million a year online play would be beyond a grind in 2011. Sustainable pt/bb online is like 7.5. And that is quite a few hands even at 25/50. Maybe believable back in 2004, but not now. Is your friend nanonoko, Jungleman, ashman, or isldur???? Theres less than 100 people who clear that in a year online and it would be tracked on highstakesdb.

Poker is a skill game, not gambling. If you are gambling while playing poker, you do not know what you are doing.

You just implied that people who don't know what they are doing play poker for the gamble.

I've won thousands playing poker over the years. Little bit more profitable, than collecting Hummels.

But how much did you lose? I hope you get that one....

 

[confused]

I am you.

I am confused.

 

[Bobby Stainless]

I agree. But that is along the lines of saying cancer is more fun than aids.



First off, I'm not trying to really argue on the internet but....

1.1 million a year live play would be impossible unless he was playing 25/50+ more than a few hours a day. Those games don't run that often even in Vegas these days. Maybe your friend lives in Macau?

1.1 million a year online play would be beyond a grind in 2011. Sustainable pt/bb online is like 7.5. And that is quite a few hands even at 25/50. Maybe believable back in 2004, but not now. Is your friend nanonoko, Jungleman, ashman, or isldur???? Theres less than 100 people who clear that in a year online and it would be tracked on highstakesdb.



You just implied that people who don't know what they are doing play poker for the gamble.



But how much did you lose? I hope you get that one....

I am up thousands of dollars (under 10k, so not that big of deal). I play live poker, buy in for 200-500, and always come out on top. Of course, I have the odd night or so where I get a bad beat, and lose my buy in. I then get up and go home, and win it back plus a couple grand the next night.

As for my buddy, I am not going to post his screen name. He got over half a million online in 2010.

on 8/12 of last year he shipped 148k in one tourney. In 2010 he was ranked in the top 80 out of the 1,003,253 on FT. I don't care if you believe me BTW.


And yes, people who gamble playing poker, do not know what they are doing.

 

[confused]

I am up thousands of dollars

He didn't get it.


And my response to the other stuff before I go volcano.... loldonkaments

 

[Bobby Stainless]

Seems to me you are not very good at poker, and tend to blame the actual game, instead of your own ability. Not trying to be an asshole. I used to lose about 200 a month online, until I decided I can't play online as well as live.

I know for a fact, that I can't win more than a few thousand every year, so I have a job. Even if I cleared 30k a year playing, that would be a pathetic income. However, people like my buddy and others, make a absolute killing off poker. Just wish I was one of them, because I love playing cards.

 

[LovableHuggable]

I haven't stepped foot in this area of ICMAG in a while.... but listen to Warren Buffett talk about gambling. I've played my fair share of cards and can only say watch this video if you wonder about your gambling inability to generate value for society. Ignore the addiction aspect and it is still a worthless hobby (even if you make money).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv_pDKfUFgo

Marijuana is way more respectable than poker. Focus your efforts away from poker, its a negative sum game .

Ohh and to stir up the pot... Blah blah blah Russ Hamilton.... Blah blah blah potripper, blah blah durrrrrballs blah blah blah deeb looks like a lesbian blah blah blah quit poker and do something with your life. It is barely acceptable as a long-term hobby.

Now someone please try to make an argument that gambling generates jobs.... haha

Cannabis is not more respectable, it's on par with gambling. Like gambling, cannabis shares a quasi legal status in some states. FWIW over half the country has no respect for you for smoking cannabis. Don't ever forget that. Even a majority of California residents told cannabis smokers to fuck off last election.

And this video is about casinos (roulette, craps), lotteries, and slot machines where you cannot have an edge period.

Yeah...

The guy I know who has cleared 1.1 million this year playing poker, probably thinks it's just a waste of time. He has made 20k so far this month.....

LOL.

Poker is a skill game, not gambling. If you are gambling while playing poker, you do not know what you are doing.

I've won thousands playing poker over the years. Little bit more profitable, than collecting Hummels.

It is a skill game but you are still gambling. When I set up a multi street bluff I'm gambling on the fact that my INCOMPLETE information indicating you are folding a majority of the time is correct. Anytime you put money down with incomplete info you are gambling no matter what you are doing. Buy a house without having inspections or knowledge of it's condition and that's a gamble just the same as me multi street bluffing you.

 

[Bobby Stainless]

Educated bluffing is one thing.

Calling down a gut shot or playing crap starting hands, is gambling IMO. I only play about 15 hands though, so I am a true grinder.

 

[LovableHuggable]

Any action taken on incomplete information is a form of gambling.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

The gambling industry grew tenfold since 75.

Jobs abound.

LOL