Male pollen from batch of high % of males

[guyyug]

Lets say you have a batch of seeds from a breeder that turn out mostly male, say 75-80%. Will the male pollen you get from some of the males in that "batch" have a good chance of carrying a trait that will turn out a larger % of males?

 

[Claude Hopper]

How many seeds in the pack? If its ten or less it could very well just be the luck of the draw.

If it was a larger lot then I wouldn't want to breed with them.

 

[daheadies]

ya.. its like gambling.. percentages/ statistical odds only come out in the long run (which most gamblers/ seed sprouters never see) So unless you took a HUGE sample, your male to female ratio is really just a small part of a much larger sample, which should turn out to be more equal.. (whereas in gambling, the house almost always wins in the LONG run... In both cases, in the short run, one party may see favorable or unfavorable results regardless of statistical long-run odds)

 

[strawbrrygirl]

I noticed warmer temps more males! Could be just a coincidence but I get well over 75% girls! The only bad thing is that growth slows! I seem to have issues pickin out good males becuase pollen can be the Devil and I never let my males go long enough to get lots of viable pollen! In my case Just a dab will do ya!!

 

[daheadies]

^^^ I agree --- Also, when I leave the lights on for 24 hrs instead of 18 I get more males.. Between higher temps and 24 hours I almost always get more males.. but in general, as far as worrying about carrying a trait that produces mostly males, you dont have to worry

 

[Andyo]

PR in uk 70/75% male

PR in uk 70/75% male

Well i had that consistantley from a strain i back crossed
368 males from 500 seeds tho the female where incredibly potent.
Time n time again.A

 

[BlueGrassToker]

If a plant expresses male, it had the ability to express male from the time it was formed during meiosis. Same with the female, it will only express it if it has the genes in itself to do so. Nothing you can do to change that, including cooler temps, exposure to ethylene, etc...nothing.
Stress of some sort during the immature seedling stage can cause a plant to show male stamen, even if it is a female. And when a grower sees a high rate of males, it is most likely that what they are seeing is the normal 50/50 ratio of male to females, only some of the females are showing the intersex gene that is in them. They did not turn male...they are females and will always be females, they are simply displaying a trait they carry. They are not changing sex because you put some banana peels in with the seeds, or because it was real warm or real cold.

Now if what you see are a high rate of males, as I stated before some of those may be females and you just don't know it because they are displaying the intersex trait. But the more than likely reason for seeing all the males is because the pack got mostly males stuffed into it. It was probably from a lot of thousands, and if you were to pop all of those thousands what you would find is a 50/50 ratio, or very close.

You know, many folks I am certain will see the first stamen and cull that plant and call it a male. How do they know that wasn't the only stamen sack the plant was going to produce? They don't because they culled the plant. But they for sure report it to us as they have found a male. Hmmm....
You know, if we haven't seen a female sprout out a single nanner (male stamen) or two then we probably haven't grown enough pot yet. Did that single nanner make it a male? What if it displayed that single stamen sack first before it let loose all it's pistols? You'd more than likely see that big male sack and cut the plant down. Never really knowing that it was only a single nanner due to whatever reason. pH out of what in the puck, temps too high, etc, etc...whatever caused it to display intersex.

What has been reported by so called respectable folks in the industry concerning the manipulating of the sex of a seed by the use of environmental stresses is completely off. They may well be convinced of this, and may well have you convinced, but I submit to you that they are wrong. Dead wrong. The seed's sex was predetermined at the very moment of meiosis. Not before and not after.
All ANY seed can do is display what has already been placed into it's genetic map. Nothing more and nothing less.
Many seem to subscribe to this theory, but none can show us any scientific studies or evidence that what they tell us is so.

What wouldn't be hard to believe is that a plant put out seeds with a higher rate of males than females. The normal is 50/50, but that could easily be changed by the plants and the circumstances used for the breeding, IMO. I mean, we already know that we can cause ALL the seeds to be female, yes? Not hard to thin that plant could also produce seeds that are outside of the box of normal. But for that to happen it would be just that, not normal.

You know, I have a decent group of seedlings that I am sexing out. I found one yesterday that displayed a male pollen sack right off. I culled it immediately. It may well not have been a male, and may well have been a female that was only displaying intersex. But I don't care. Even if it is a female that will go on to produce thick female buds, I don't want to keep it because it showed me it can display intersex easy, or it was a full on male. Either way it was a cull. But I am not going to tell anyone I found a male, because I know that I know better than that. And better than that states I have no stinkin idea if that was a true male or a female simply displaying intersex.

 

[guyyug]

Yeah, this was only out of 15 seeds and I know it is no where NEAR the number needed to get a true %, I was only asking out of generality, curiosity, hence little information about the scenario. But these were NL from Nirvana. And this is a "mother hunt" so I do not want it if it even shows one sign of male traits, but I do want to keep some for pollen (if they are a true male). I also kept lights on for 24 hours, and did have a PH problem early on.

Seems like every forum I visited had a 50/50 belief that sex could be determined, or should I say influenced, by outside conditions. Everyone knew a "trick" to get more females. Who knows? Not me, but I do want to know peoples opinions on if THEY would keep pollen from a larger than "normal" group of true males.

Thanks for your replies