are feminized seeds always prone to herms?

[944s2]

hiya all, 4weeks or so from cut-down,working with a strain ive grown many times before over the years and same strain for last 2 grows, i always grow from feminized seeds and dont keep a mother plant,after a quick check today[6-4-11] and a few of my girls very lower branches have been slightly pollinated,not much and nothing that will affect the harvest to adversely,.i have 40 girls and it appears 3or4 plants have been affected but only the odd bottom branch, my girls have an excellant enviroment, the best [imho] soil and feeds, i have a totally stress free grow but still some go to the dark-side, i now believe that growing fem seeds in bulk, you will always have the odd seed as even using feminizer dont stop this wonderful plants mission to pro-create, i would like to hear from others growing fem seeds in bulk and find out if others experiance the same? i am not using a "new kid on the block" strain and grow the tried and tested "sweetooth " from barneys but still a few seeds appear in a totally unstressed enviroment! opinions please, safe growin and peace 944s2

 

[Scrogerman]

No! I aint seen much impressive stuff from Barneys in the way of fems tbh, sorry i can give ya more info, shit happens! Im hoping a buddy finds a tidy Pheno of Tangerine dream though.! you'll get that with some strains, esp if your poppin loads a fem beans!

Whats your opinion of Barneys ST then man? i wasnt impressed with their G13Haze at all! Bland Crap!

G'Luck man!

 

[944s2]

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hiya scrogerman, thanks for your reply, overall i have found barneys to be "ok", a safe, good producer and a very nice taste[as long as you get the right pheno] but not a touch on spice of lifes-sweetooth, i have no experiance of growing g13 haze but have smoked it and it was lovely, i had a real dissapointing grow of dutch passions "cali orange", talk about "all show and no go", it looked just like the pics but was a massive let down, very weak and hardly any orange tasting buds, scrogerman if you see the odd bean growing on an otherwise good plant,do you pick the few seeds off or leave alone or terminate said plant immediatley? and yes i usually pop 50 to 60beans so the odd seed is not the end of the world, thanks again sman, and regards 944s2

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey man!
Yeah, mostly when i see that happen, i dont actually see any nanners(at all) & find the odd bean somewhere inside the buds, it rarely happens but does from time to time. Put it down to stress sensitivety, but like you couldnt think of causing any stress at all. If its any consolation i believe said beans produced are XX chromo's(if viable). I see alot of breeders advertise their Fem stock as 99% fem, so popping a load of beans makes sense you'll see something like that happen. Ive had nice pheno's that happen to & run them again, but not if i see any nanners, they get chucked.
On the whole who wants stock with herm traits, they deserve to get chucked.

Ditch Passion are pants man, aint got anything good to say about them, total crap, im sad to say!
Barneys may get another chance though, maybe, if i start hearing good things etc. but DP are out, ive wasted too much time on their rubbish like you by the sound of it bro.

Im sure a few breeders will give you a far better opinion than me bro, but those are my ops/obs!

G'Luck bro! Happy Growing!

 

[bobman]

I think it comes down to the breeder. Dp and Barneys don't have the best rep. I just grew out super lemon haze and that plant was solid. I put a fan in the flower room and it had a light diode that was on constantly. I noticed my ak47s were throwing nanners and that's when I realized about the light. It was probably 10-14 days before I realized. One slh was closet to the fan and not one nanner. In fact those plants did not have the most stress free life and not one nanner anywhere. I was very impressed. I am a believer in female seeds now.

 

[burningfire]

From what I read, some plants will not feminize...

some plants simply don't have that stress response of throwing male parts.. there are plants that are more sensitive to stress and will produce male flowers readily, every feminized strain is different, who knows how much solution they sprayed on the plants to get it to turn, when some plants will shoot out nanners when they're fertilized with a mix too hot for them... so it's a case by case basic.. most of the time, if your female plant is producing male flowers, you did something wrong, light leak, light schedule or fertilizing may be to blame.

 

[944s2]

From what I read, some plants will not feminize...

some plants simply don't have that stress response of throwing male parts.. there are plants that are more sensitive to stress and will produce male flowers readily, every feminized strain is different, who knows how much solution they sprayed on the plants to get it to turn, when some plants will shoot out nanners when they're fertilized with a mix too hot for them... so it's a case by case basic.. most of the time, if your female plant is producing male flowers, you did something wrong, light leak, light schedule or fertilizing may be to blame.

i looked at my light schedule which was fine, totally no leaks anywhere, i have since found out that there might be a possibility that my bloom feed [bio-biz bloom] could trigger herms if said plant is suseptable to going to the "dark side", this is something i change on my next grow and move over to canna feeds, but as scrogerman mentions feminized seeds are advertised as 99% female so if popping 50 to 60 beans that 1% is sure as hell gonna turn up and more then likely in place you would never be able to see hence only the odd few branches get the odd seed!, i found the offending lady but as 95% of the plant is in great condition, full of lovely crystals and shaping up as an ok yielder and as i am 2 to 3 wks from cut down i will leave her in the room and keep an eye on her, regards,safe growing, and peace to all 944s2

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Not at all from my experience 944. Ive been growing the fems outdoors since 2000 or so. There is litterally a world of difference between indoor/outdoor, but outdoors. i rarely ever see a bean. I would argue any day of the week that you are many more times likely to find some seeds in your regular weed than you are in good fems.... but thats outdoor.

I grow several packs of sensi star fems each year for the past 4 or 5 years and out of probably 20 packs, ive yet to see a single male flower or find a seed. My indoor buddies grow it too and they find seeds all the time. You'll have to tell me why because i dont know. If is say its their fault, they get pissed!

 

[944s2]

Not at all from my experience 944. Ive been growing the fems outdoors since 2000 or so. There is litterally a world of difference between indoor/outdoor, but outdoors. i rarely ever see a bean. I would argue any day of the week that you are many more times likely to find some seeds in your regular weed than you are in good fems.... but thats outdoor.

I grow several packs of sensi star fems each year for the past 4 or 5 years and out of probably 20 packs, ive yet to see a single male flower or find a seed. My indoor buddies grow it too and they find seeds all the time. You'll have to tell me why because i dont know. If is say its their fault, they get pissed!

d.s yeah thats what i thought after many many fem seeds grows of sweetooth its the 1st time i have had a few seeds,its quite baffling, i do believe a lot as to do with the seedbank as i have used paradise seeds and never had a rouge bean let alone a plant, maybe that old saying "you get what you pay for" is more then relevant when looking at some "respected seedbanks" and the price they charge for there beans, food for thought and my garden looks so lovely and we are 2weeks from cut down, so just deciding what to go0 with next,might go with bomb- seeds bomberry or do another oldie but goldie like nebula, peace and safe growing all. 944s2

 

[vStagger Leev]

feminizing seeds is not a natural occurence in the cannabis kingdom, they are bound to have genetic mutations, being someone made them fuck themselves and have children, that someone else sprouted. As i've read before and completely agree with, feminised seeds are a baaaaad thing for the cannabis community... progeny is natural...

 

[Costello]

They are not evil as many think and sometimes can come in handy.
Choose the breeder/sb carefully though and dont rely on them too much, making your own seeds is smarter

Namaste

C.

 

[BlueGrassToker]

feminizing seeds is not a natural occurence in the cannabis kingdom, they are bound to have genetic mutations, being someone made them fuck themselves and have children, that someone else sprouted. As i've read before and completely agree with, feminised seeds are a baaaaad thing for the cannabis community... progeny is natural...

First off...feminizing seeds happens ALL the time in the cannabis kingdom. That is part of it's magic. What makes you think this doesn't happen naturally?
And no, there is nothing at all about feminizing seeds that would bring about any sort of mutation. You may see different sized or colored seeds from a selfing than you would from a standard breeding of the same line, but no mutations.

And the only place you have read they are a baaad thing...is from folks passing on info that is far from the real deal on things....such as yourself.

Progeny is natural...yes. I suggest you also look that term up while you are studying the rest of it.

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Fems are far more sexually stable than regular seeds. Quality breeders grow out a large number of plants and then stress them with lighting interuptions, heat, etc. There is a range of responses among the plants -some hermi immediately, some after being stressed by several factors and then some that dont hermie at all. The plants that show resistance are the ones chosen for feminization. Once selfed, the femmed seeds are also stressed to test for stability.

The femmed seeds lack male chromosomes and they have been chosen from parents that were resistant to hermaphroditism. If growing regular seeds, your pack has the same range of plants that existed when the feminization process was undertaken and there are pheno's in every pack that will hermie easily. For this reason, youre more likely to see a herm in regulars seeds than in fems.

 

[vStagger Leev]

"silver linings often have a cloud attached and it was true in this case. The female plants that developed from hermaphroditic seeds had the drawback of being far more likely than ordinary plants to develop male branches – turn “Herman” – when stressed. More than once, a power, pump or light failure caused enough stress to the plants that they easily went hermaphroditic. Outdoors we had even more trouble; in bad-weather years we could end up with a plant from a feminized seed developing male flowers and blowing pollen all over the other plants, ruining our dreams of a sinsemilla crop. We decided that feminized plants might have a place in our business’ industry, but it wouldn’t be in our gardens. "

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We explain how "feminized" seeds are made, why the plants are more likely to turn males, and how to use normal seeds to get a large all-female crop.
Do some research???

 

[vStagger Leev]

prog·e·ny   /ˈprɒdʒəni/ Show Spelled
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–noun, plural -ny or, for plants or animals, -nies.
1. a descendant or offspring, as a child, plant, or animal.
2. such descendants or offspring collectively.
3. something that originates or results from something else; outcome; issue.
_-_-_- DoNT MAKE FEMINISED SEEDS-_-_-_

 

[vStagger Leev]

As quoted by Jason King in the Cannabible 3. " In recent years, certaiun seed companies have begun selling "feminized seeds," which if made properly, grow only female plants. There is much confusion on the subject, so allow me to clarify. Feminized seeds, apparently highly beneficial to those with limited space or growing limited nimbers of plants, are usually made in one of two ways. In the first method, approximately two weeks prior to flowering a female plant is treated with the substance gibberellic acid; this process is repeated when the plant begings flowering. Shortly thereafter, hermaphroditic flowers will appear on the plant, which then pollinate itself, creating only female seeds. The second method involves a shocking the plant by screwing with it's light cycle in ways that mother nature never would, causing the plant to throw out hermaphroditic flowers, pollinating itself and any other female around, again creating only female seeds. I dont recommend feminized seeds or either of these methods for the following reasons: They are very unnatural. Gibberellic acid is very toxic and nasty stuff. And, most importantly, these methods encourage hermaphrodism in the strain. I see it all the time with feminized plants. Hermies are a built in function of the evolutionary plan, put in place to ensure the continuation of a species even in the face of massive environmental changes (read: Catastrophe), which the plants might think was happening if the light started tweaking out as described. Another thing about feminized seeds, and i know that DJ SHORT agrees with me on this one, is that the finished product is noticeably blander in flavor and aroma. Neither of us has yet to be impressed with feminized seeds. One possible explanation for this is thaty those who use feminized seeds, and those who produce them, are less likely using organic methods. The verdict: If you want all females, grow known reputable female clones." Jason King, Cannabible 3

 

[DocLeaf]

Simple answer 'NO'. It depends on the stability of the parent plant(s)involved,, and the method(s) via which they where produced.

Sow n see...

 

[vStagger Leev]

First off...feminizing seeds happens ALL the time in the cannabis kingdom. That is part of it's magic. What makes you think this doesn't happen naturally?
And no, there is nothing at all about feminizing seeds that would bring about any sort of mutation. You may see different sized or colored seeds from a selfing than you would from a standard breeding of the same line, but no mutations.

And the only place you have read they are a baaad thing...is from folks passing on info that is far from the real deal on things....such as yourself.

Progeny is natural...yes. I suggest you also look that term up while you are studying the rest of it.

Yes... not only am i wrong, but so is DJ Short, and Jason King? Huh... they must be rookies or somethin...

 

[DocLeaf]

p.s stop quoting Jason King (in general). No-one ever really heard of him before . his books that are fanciful reading.. to say the least.

DJ Short has spent 10,000s + words on explaining away why dem Blue lines herm ...

.. it was inbred Thai genetics folks

Peace

 

[Visa Accepted]

Fems are far more sexually stable than regular seeds. Quality breeders grow out a large number of plants and then stress them with lighting interuptions, heat, etc. There is a range of responses among the plants -some hermi immediately, some after being stressed by several factors and then some that dont hermie at all. The plants that show resistance are the ones chosen for feminization. Once selfed, the femmed seeds are also stressed to test for stability.

The femmed seeds lack male chromosomes and they have been chosen from parents that were resistant to hermaphroditism. If growing regular seeds, your pack has the same range of plants that existed when the feminization process was undertaken and there are pheno's in every pack that will hermie easily. For this reason, youre more likely to see a herm in regulars seeds than in fems.

What a load of shit.