Bubble Hash into BHO?

[ithruxix]

the couple times ive done it, i swear the butane isnt able to "dissolve" the bubble hash but that's just me...

I've done it a bunch of times. I have a small tube that I actually use on keif and bubble... IMHO, using bubble will not yield a superb oil. TheCatsMeow is correct, it seems like you can never get all of the butane to purge out. I did a two day purge, on a heat pad and it still would not release the butane.

Keep in mind that I let my regular oil evap for a few days, before making shatter.

 

[ithruxix]

btw, check safeway because a lot of times they carry the 99% Iso.

 

[AGBeer]

How do you figure?

I've never used DN alcohol -- so I don't speak from experience, only from what I've read over the years -- but I'm curious to see some info on the guy you're talking to and maybe some pics of results. I know Lazyman convinced me to switch to Acetone from butane several months ago...and I never really looked back...but I've yet to see anybody use denatured alcohol and I'm interested in that as well. peace

Sure thing! It was Lazyman. Here is the exact thread that I was following regarding this (His comment is halfway down this page)
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=182563&page=3

I find that freezing the alcohol helps keep it much lighter, freezing the (unground) trim helps lock up those plant waxes better, and using denatured instead of iso alcohol (no water content) help reduce the chlorophyll pickup quite a bit.

I think I've made about a pound and a half of this stuff so far this year.

I also shot him a PM to have him drop by here and put some more of our minds at ease

 

[Lazyman]

Yeah that's me, I use about 25 gallons of denatured alcohol a month to make honey oil. It works great as long as its frozen (same for most solvents) and once dried and purged will not have any bad taste or anything. It's 50% ethanol and 50% methanol, sometimes with a tablespoon of MEK thrown in. Wear a good organic particle mask cuz the fumes are really bad when it's evaporating outside, I use a pair of very large double boiler setups, lined with a Welch Fluorocarbon teflon-lined bag (inside a turkey bag so the expensive inner bag is protected from sticking.) Once the alcohol is reduced down to about 1-2 cups (out of 2 gallons per boiler) I dump it out into a big pyrex pan, rinse the inner bag with ISO, and stick the whole thing inside a portable little electric roaster oven (outside) at 200*F until its purged and stops bubbling, about 8-12 hours. Then crank it to 275*F for 7 minutes to decarb.

Remember, denatured alcohol is used to clean glass, so it leaves no residue. If you ever have ANNY doubts about whether a solvent is safe for extractions, evaporate some on a clean mirror. If there's any ring left you shouldn't use it.

 

[Trichgnomes]

Yeah that's me, I use about 25 gallons of denatured alcohol a month to make honey oil. It works great as long as its frozen (same for most solvents) and once dried and purged will not have any bad taste or anything. It's 50% ethanol and 50% methanol, sometimes with a tablespoon of MEK thrown in. Wear a good organic particle mask cuz the fumes are really bad when it's evaporating outside, I use a pair of very large double boiler setups, lined with a Welch Fluorocarbon teflon-lined bag (inside a turkey bag so the expensive inner bag is protected from sticking.) Once the alcohol is reduced down to about 1-2 cups (out of 2 gallons per boiler) I dump it out into a big pyrex pan, rinse the inner bag with ISO, and stick the whole thing inside a portable little electric roaster oven (outside) at 200*F until its purged and stops bubbling, about 8-12 hours. Then crank it to 275*F for 7 minutes to decarb.

Remember, denatured alcohol is used to clean glass, so it leaves no residue. If you ever have ANNY doubts about whether a solvent is safe for extractions, evaporate some on a clean mirror. If there's any ring left you shouldn't use it.

Lazyman-

Props, you seem to produce more oil than most anyone else (or at least those that post about it). It seems as though you would be the perfect candidate to utilize a solvent recovery system.

You could continue to use denatured alcohol if you wish, or use more selective solvents and only have to purchase them once.

I mean whatever, denatured alcohol is dirt cheap, but then at least you don't have to deal with buying 25 gallons at a time.

Also, the fumes would be much less of an issue in a closed system.

 

[Lazyman]

Oh for sure, I've been looking into them actually. Eden labs has one for $5k that would probably suit me, though their Pro SP pot is 10K and better suited to the size batches I run. Just wish more people wanted BULK oil.

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

Doesn't buying from Eden Labs put you on a watch list. Especially if it is for extraction purposes?

I saw a tutorial online on how to make your own contained QWISO oil maker and alcohol reclaimer. I think it uses a pressure cooker. Seemed very similar to a canna olive oil system I have seen.

On the subject of oil, wtf is with people and clubs these days? I was at a kick back where people were showing off their cO2 "Gold Dust" and some "Super Critical" that was extracted with liquid Nitrogen. I laughed my ass off because it all looked like BHO. They thought I was stupid because I told them the clubs were just trying to get around the fact that BHO is still illegal here in Cali and BHO is also cheap now so they are just looking for a gimmick that will allow them to make $60/gram off of unsuspecting consumers again. They thought I was the crazy one!

 

[Gray Wolf]

I recover my alcohol using a $120 worth of materials pot still that I've built around half a dozen copies of thus far pro bono, for big hearted pro bono medical cannabis oil providers.

Gawd bless Eden Labs for filling this market nitche, but it is highly unlikely that I would purchase one of their stills, given the price and simplicity of building one myself. If you Google stills used for moonshine, you will find a panoply of different designs that would work well.

In addition, if you are already starting with concentrated alcohol, a simple pot still works well for simple recovery. Compound refluxing stills are actually designed to produce 95.5% aezotropic ethanol, using low alcoholic percentages in the mash or wash, as opposed to recovering already concentrated alcohol.

Vacuum recovery adds another dimension, which I will offer more information on, once I have a better understanding of the rules myself.

Ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[Lazyman]

GW, from what I've read, vacuum distillation is a method that allows the boiling of solvents at much lower heat, due to an atmospheric vacuum inside the chamber (pressure cooker.) A roto-vac is hooked to the exhaust tubing, which sucks the air out of the pot and drops the boiling point of the solvent inside it. This allows you to use a very low heat to accomplish the same amount of boiling. Less electricity I suppose overall, and probably a faster reaction. I am told the pumps aren't super cheap, but a standard hotplate would work fine and be simpler, mine has no trouble boiling a large pot of water (eventually) and alcohol is easier to boil. In a pressure cooker it would go even faster since it's enclosed and traps heat better.

 

[BudGood]

I use a MityVac brake bleeding pump, cheap and effective, to create a vacuum and purge my BHO completely. Good forearm workout too, haha! A friend here showed me the way of the vac purge!

Anyone notice the auto-buddering, totally without whipping of any kind, when vacuum purging oils? I wonder why this happens. I've turned completely rock hard shatter into budder numerous times with the MityVac.

 

[Gray Wolf]

GW, from what I've read, vacuum distillation is a method that allows the boiling of solvents at much lower heat,

Yup and works good. I'm still working on high solvent recovery under vacuum however, and need more condensing surface or colder ones.

Been a busy six months property management wise, but hopefully my schedule is again opening up so I can focus on fun projects, of which vacuum recovery heads the R&D list.

 

[Bionic]

I use a MityVac brake bleeding pump, cheap and effective, to create a vacuum and purge my BHO completely. Good forearm workout too, haha! A friend here showed me the way of the vac purge!

Anyone notice the auto-buddering, totally without whipping of any kind, when vacuum purging oils? I wonder why this happens. I've turned completely rock hard shatter into budder numerous times with the MityVac.

How do you do it?

 

[BudGood]

First, I place the pan in hot water til the bubbles stop. Once I get it to the point 98% of the butane is out, I scrape it and put it into a small nug jar (think tiny jelly jar size) while it's still good and warm. Once I have it all in, I close up the lid on the jar, and put it back into the water for a few minutes, to get the oil nice and warm again, to the point of being runny almost.

I then remove it from the water bath, take off the lid to the nug jar, and place it (the jar w/ oil in it) into a widemouth mason jar. This lid on this mason jar has a hole in the middle, about 1/4". The MityVac comes with all sorts of attachments, one of them is a suction cup. I simply place the suction cup attachment on top of the hole, and start pumping.

It takes many strokes to get it to -21 here in CO, those at sea level should be able to get close to -23 to -25. The magic starts around -18 or so, you'll notice the oil bubbling like mad. I leave it for a half an hour or so, then release pressure.

Like I said earlier, most times when I do this, it auto-budders or auto-waxes.

I'm gonna have to put up a picture tutorial once I get a decent camera, til then, if you have any questions or need any clarification just ask.

Hope that helps!

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

Where do you buy the mighty vac at? I am totally gonna do this! I love it!

 

[Lazyman]

You can still leave the jar in warm water with the mighty vac, it will help it boil faster under a vacuum.

 

[BudGood]

Vacuum-assisted hash purging is AWESOME!

Vacuum-assisted hash purging is AWESOME!

Where do you buy the mighty vac at? I am totally gonna do this! I love it!

Any auto parts store or Harbor Freight (where I got mine, for about 15 bucks cheaper than the other places I found it) will have it, it's used for bleeding brakes. I usually do it at least twice, or until I see no more bubbles forming in the warmed runny oil. The auto budder thing is strain dependent I've found: ECSD did it, and Bruce Banner 3 did it too. AK47 and KK Strawberry Cough both just got ROCK hard and stayed shatter.

You can still leave the jar in warm water with the mighty vac, it will help it boil faster under a vacuum.

Yeah, I actually considered that, great minds think alike! However, I've been warned that the jar isn't meant to hold a vacuum, and might explode/implode, so I'm wary of stressing it any more than I already am. Savvy?

I use the smaller widemouth jar, and only use the same jar for a few runs, then retire it from vac duty. Still haven't had a jar implode on me, and I don't intend on it!

I'm planning on finding a suitable metal container, like a pressure cooker, to vac purge with a heat source underneath and a HVAC vac pump creating the vacuum. I'm gonna end up with carpal tunnel syndrome from the Mityvac, lol!

But yeah, for now, this works great, and didn't cost much at all. Just not exactly efficient for larger oil runs, which I'm finding out now, running pounds of trim for friends. Gonna have oil from the following:

ECSD (original clone only, not Rez Sour D)
Cherry AK47
KK Strawberry Cough
Alaskan Thunderfuck
Purple Urkle
Flo (just a tiny bit of trim from that)
Southern Charm (a super potent purple strain that a friend bred)

I'm keeping them all strain specific, as much as possible. There will be a bit of mixer stuff, from the extra tiny bit from each that isn't enough to do a full run with, and also from the drip pan (the larger tube I run will drip slowly for about 10 minutes after it's done releasing the lions share of the oil, so I just put it on a separate pan to drip, in a safe place with no dust or ignition sources).

It's not alot, but will add up at the end. I estimate theres a half to a gram that drips out on each run. I could just keep it on the initial extraction pyrex plate, but I don't like to keep the plate of butane sitting there any longer than it has to, for many reasons: Safety, dust, contaminants, etc.

My friend who got the same tube from eBay, just not with a stand, told me he thought it was done draining, so he set it down on his kitchen table. It drained out a shitload of hash, all over the table. His lady was PISSED about the table, kinda ruined the finish, haha. So I was prepared...

 

[Bionic]

I got my hand-pump from Harborfreight.com Thanks for the tutorial. I don't think I have the suction cup but I could always get the Foodsaver vacuum attachment for jars for a few more $$$. Reps.

 

[BudGood]

I got my hand-pump from Harborfreight.com Thanks for the tutorial. I don't think I have the suction cup but I could always get the Foodsaver vacuum attachment for jars for a few more $$$. Reps.

Is it the metal one? I considered that, but grabbed the Mityvac cause it had a few more attachments. The foodsaver vacuum jar lid attachment is something I might just look into, it'd work, just might need to get adaptors at a auto parts store or something to make the hoses fit.

I'm gonna do a full on tutorial with pictures when I get a decent cam, the ol' camera phone I have sucks. Most can visualize what I'm saying though, seems like most of the BHO heads around here are pretty damn intelligent!

Puffing on some superdank ECSD oil, damn my friends knocked this one out of the park, grew the plants to full potential!

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

Okay, so I just turned the bubble hash into QWISO. I used SLX denatured alcohol. I put a half oz of bubble hash and about a quarter ounce of trim/popcorn in a mason jar. I shook it for about 15-20 seconds and poured it into an attachment for a juicer(its like a cone stainless steel filter) with a coffee filter inside of it. The liquid in the pyrex is golden brown/amber color

I cant wait to smoke this stuff!

Oh, and I will take pictures, probably will upload them later today or tomorrow when it is goopy

 

[TheCatsMeow]

i want a picture meow! haha j/k ill wait...