Best time to add H2O2 to rez: Deeper Ques. night cycle require more O2 than day cycle

[hazydreams]

it smells of troll in here....

 

[Ursus]

Plants have organs?
Is that where they get hearts of palm?

Who's the moron?

do some research, plants have organs

you're still the moron

 

[MileHighGuy]

I needed a good laugh at work, thanks guys!

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

I can think of a few reasons why your meter may be measuring increased DO after adding H2O2 to your nutrient solution
- The drop in pH could affect the meter (although I think this one is unlikely)
- You're adding the (relatively cold) H2O2 to the nutrient solution and failing to mix it properly bringing the temperature at the top of the tank down, or you add the H202 when you're also topping up the tank with cold water.
- the H202 is oxidising something in the nutrient solution that results in a drop in the EC that increases the O2 saturation level.
Looking through your extensive posts on the topic you don't seem to have considered any of them.

You obviously haven't looked at the data in my thread because the pH, EC and temps are stable during testing.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=4337485#post4337485
pH has no effect on DO.
EC (at the concentrations we run) has very little effect.
Temperature is the main variable concerning DO, and my temps are rock stable during testing. Are you suggesting that adding 6ml of H2O2 to a 3 gallon res would cause a temp change?
Maybe the atmospheric pressure increased by 100mm Hg during the exact moment I add the H2O2, causing the increase in DO. Funny, it does it every time while all other parameters are stable. Maybe it's the cheap $500 meters I'm using.

Any other straw man theories?

 

[El Toker]

You obviously haven't looked at
.........

Any other straw man theories?

I did look at, and frankly it was profoundly unimpressive. I stand by my criticisms both of your methodology and your ego.


Also, you've invented the term "straw man theories" and you don't seem to grasp what a straw man argument is. Let me give you a few examples.

pH has no effect on DO.

I didn't say that it did. It may possibly have an effect on your meters ability to read DO, but as I said, I thought that was unlikely.

or we could look at

Are you suggesting that adding 6ml of H2O2 to a 3 gallon res would cause a temp change?

again I didn't say that. I did ask whether you topped up your nutrient solution at the same time and you could have well been diluting the H202 with water.

or we could use this as an example

Maybe the atmospheric pressure increased by 100mm Hg during the exact moment I add the H2O2, causing the increase in DO. Funny, it does it every time while all other parameters are stable. Maybe it's the cheap $500 meters I'm using.

Where you put forward a lot of fallacious arguments that I never made to hide that fact that you had missed this very basic possibility of a change in pH led to a change in salinity affecting O2 saturation. You do know that H202 is acidic don't you?

Even if the nutrient solution is buffered you would expect to see some change in pH after adding H2O2, which makes me wonder about your "stable parameters". It's unlikely that you could change the pH without it having a knock on effect in a complex nutrient solution that would last as long as the H2O2.

As the H2O2 rich nutrient solution comes into contact with the roots it will bleach them and at least a few of the by-products of this would again impact on the EC and the PH.

Do you see the pattern now? You quote me as saying something that I didn't say but is easier to refute then you go on to make points against your own arguments, that's a straw man argument.

As for your $500 meter, that's just funny.

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

That was meters, as in plural. Maybe I photoshopped them into my pics to perpetuate my scam.

This one's for you. Notice the temperature probes on the DO and EC meters? Ever hear of ATC?

Your argument reminds me of the iphone sheeple. Deny, deny, deny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
I dont care. I want the one with the bigger GBs and the wifis.

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

Tell you what El Toker,
If you have some data to support your claims that H2O2 does nothing to DO, present it here. I presented my data. Let's see yours big man.
Have you taken 5 minutes out of your day to add anything positive to the collective knowledge here on IC? I see a lot of trolling and opinion in your posts. Show me the facts.
Otherwise, go troll somewhere else. You've added nothing factual to the OP's discussion.
Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one and yours stinks.

 

[El Toker]

Tell you what El Toker,
If you have some data to support your claims that H2O2 does nothing to DO, present it here. I presented my data. Let's see yours big man.

The absence of any research anywhere in 300 years of chemistry to back up your claim is enough.

Have you taken 5 minutes out of your day to add anything positive to the collective knowledge here on IC? I see a lot of trolling and opinion in your posts. Show me the facts.

The facts are that you're an egotistical poorly educated idiot and the proof is above.

Otherwise, go troll somewhere else. You've added nothing factual to the OP's discussion.

Better that than the misinformation that' you've added. It's people like you with your bullshit who put begginers onto the wrong track and encourage them to do things like piss away money on necessary additives based on a complete ignorance of basic science.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one and yours stinks.

I'm disappointed with myself that I actually bothered to interact with a dickhead such as yourself. What I should have done is left it at pointing out the huge mound of bullshit that you spout and put you on my ignore list. It was obvious enough the first time you responded to my points with personal abuse that debating anything with you was a futile exercise.

As you're obviously someone who doesn't let lack of education, intelligence or social skills that you so obviously have get in the way of expressing an ill-informed opinion, I think I'm better of remaining oblivious of your single handed and impressively successful attempts to drag down the average IQ of the whole forum.

 

[Scrogerman]

H2o2 is well known to increase DO which inturn increases nute uptake, plants grow bigger, stronger & faster. My eyes & experience with H2o2 dont lie. Even if H2o2/DO levels drop back to normal after a few hours, its those few hours of boosted nute uptake that make all the difference. Like Sarge said he's doubled his DO, albeit for a brief time, still very beneficial & gives an obvious Growth boost. I use Oxy+ myself (growth tec & hydrogarden) which is 17.5%. I think its pretty important the right nute line is used whilst using H2o2, Full Mineral based nutrition, nothing more.
Best of luk all!

http://www.growthtechnology.com/liquidoxygen.asp

Liquid Oxygen contains hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) which is a highly unstable molecule. It will quickly break down in the nutrient tank releasing a free atom of oxygen. This oxygen atom is extremely reactive and will attach itself to either another atom, forming a stable oxygen molecule, or attack a nearby organic molecule, such as a virus or fungal spore. Liquid Oxygen can eliminate existing diseases and help to prevent future ones.
A daily addition of Liquid Oxygen to the nutrient tank will invigorate the plant and increase nutrient uptake, leading to faster growth rates. In plants the extra oxygen provided will massively stimulate protein production at the cellular level. This will greatly enhance the photosynthetic process, leading to bushier plants with larger leaves, thicker stems and shorter internodes. Plants will be stronger and leaves will be darker, thus collecting light with greater efficiency and further improving photosynthetic response.
Liquid Oxygen


Introduced to the European market by Growth Technology

• Liquid Oxygen adds extra ions of pure oxygen to the nutrient tank – regular use leads to enhanced growth rates.
• Liquid Oxygen helps to control root diseases and pathogens right in the tank – uninterrupted growth means healthier plants.
• Liquid Oxygen can be used, at a higher concentration, to clean and sterilise hydroponic systems between crops as well as pots and benches in the greenhouse or elsewhere

 

[chosen]

WELL SAID Scrogerman.... Peroixide supplementation is a very useful tool under he correct regimen even in aeroponics.

 

[Scrogerman]

WELL SAID Scrogerman.... Peroixide supplementation is a very useful tool under he correct regimen even in aeroponics.

Cheers bro!
I find it funny as that people doubt H2o2's abilities. I been using the shit for about 15 years & ive seen what it can do. I will say i think its really important the right nute line is used though(& the right strength H2o2 too), if people are using H2o2 & not seeing the instant benefits/Growth Boost, then there doing something wrong.

Ive had some of my best yields simply using Ionic & H2o2, & maybe a bit of PK, organics are a no-no, stick to the full mineral based nutrition & watch m rock with this stuff. couldnt be simpler!
people who use bleach for sterilisation are missing out big time imo! There aint no Growth boost with Bleach/nor any extra DO. Go figure!

http://www.growthtechnology.com/ionic-hydro.asp i like adding Liquid Silicon too! pretty KISS imo!

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

Hypocrite or Troll, You Decide

Hypocrite or Troll, You Decide

Hey Scroggerman.

Disregard the title. That was directed at someone else, but I cant edit it.

 

[SexInTheCity]

Great thread nice read, I`m l3eginner in hydro..lots of good info here.....

I wonder what ICMAG would be like with no arguments, oh well atleast information still flows maybe it helps... Peace to all.

 

[kbudz]

i just want to share my experience at the moment. i have to say that in the past, about 8 years ago i gave it a try when i already had a healthy system and didn't see any results but i have just started some tents with some old trays which i forgot to wash i have never had a pythium problem in 10+ years of full time growing but to cut a long story short the heat in the tent must have stressed the little cuttings and these things would not grow after numerous attemps of changing things they still would not grow so i thought what the hell i put the h2o2 in and the growth i had in the next couple of days was amazing if you have a pythium problem i strongly recomend h2o2 and have a new found respect for a clean system after going the organic way.