audioaddict
Active member
It sickens me to read this, being staunchly anti-prohibition and all, but we all (in the UK) do this knowing the consequences of getting nicked, so it's definitely worth a read through no matter how frustrating.
My grow rarely exceeds 10 plants, and that is only ever during fresh runs of clones, idealistically speaking I'd agree with bigwity, but I do think it's worth having a "do not exceed limit" in your mind... I would take any sentence I receive on the chin, but I don't want to lose any of my time here just because of societies ignorance.
My grow rarely exceeds 10 plants, and that is only ever during fresh runs of clones, idealistically speaking I'd agree with bigwity, but I do think it's worth having a "do not exceed limit" in your mind... I would take any sentence I receive on the chin, but I don't want to lose any of my time here just because of societies ignorance.
filth_element
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I agree with bigwity too (rip bigwity may you come back with a fresh name soon...) this is why we all should start planning and coordinating together to make some social reforms peeps! Look how many of us there are an I bet we all have mates that are not members of this forum but agree with these ideals....
We can change things but we have to fight for it! Not be scared of these ridonculous laws they impose on us. They work for us it's about time we reminded them....
We can change things but we have to fight for it! Not be scared of these ridonculous laws they impose on us. They work for us it's about time we reminded them....
Too true Stup bro,
They are only sentencing guidlines, guidlines being the prominant word there, they could throw the book at you if they wish, esp if you have form, Judges rulings/sentences are usually not overturned/reduced on appeal for Drugs, & the implications of trying to appeal are crazy as fk. for example, they can make you start your sentence from the day of appeal dissmisal(if you lose), even if youve served 1 year+ it doesnt matter, you start the sentence again from that day, crazy shit & ive never understood how the law justifies this bollocks!!.(i wouldnt have the balls to appeal, if i knew id already served over a year & it was shaky grounds, no way!!)
What i did find interesting when i read the sentencing 'guidlines' for 1-2 plants(specified numbers) for Dec 2010, was it only stated 1-2 plants, it did not specify how Big lol, Maximum sentence £400(cultivation/production for personal use), depending on form of course! but i do know that the law take size into consideration too, so you bollocked either way you go(low numbers big plants etc). I believe 5ft plants & bigger are considered to be worth alot more by the law. There not wrong are they. They aint totally stupid as we know. Ive always known Plant numbers are important if you wanna stay outta jail, its simple as!
Id rather lose a couple of Weeks Veg time & keep plant numbers low, do the Scrog, Lst whatever & stay outta jail myself.
(im sure a solicitor or maybe a call to Release could back up what im saying here!!)
Another point i find very interesting is the Gov have not updated their available info on sentencing policy, on the web or anywhere(apart from newer law books/policy), telling these sentencing guidlines, & i wonder why? they do not want us knowing this info imo.
I think as long as you have a strong case for personal use or Medical(not officially recognised but strong used in mitigation) & plant numbers are low, ie-single figures 1-9, i think the CPS would have a hard time prooving intent/supply charges, & these days its all about saving tax payers money with courts, do the CPS wanna try to drag a case out by way of trail in the crown court at the cost of tens of thousands to the tax payer, on a not guilty to intent supply, with single figure plant numbers, when the people have already pleaded guilty to Cultivation/Production on premise for personal use/med grounds, i dont think so, judges dont like to see CPS wasting tax payers cash needlessly im sure. I know they frown upon it & CPS have to have a no-lose case(in their eyes) if they wanna take it to Crown these days. They dont want to lose a case & its upto a jury at the end of the day, can they be certain of a win in such a case.
Some usefull info i found out recently, If your doctor knows your using Cannabis to relieve medical symptoms, like Insomnia, Depression, Asthma, the list goes on, then if you ever get Busted a report from an understanding GP, stating his knowledge of your prior cannabis use on medical grounds & his honest opinions etc, could also be used as mitigation. This info is very usefull imo. serious ammo imo. If growers use on med grounds, they should tell their GP or an understanding one anyway, you'll instantly have a stronger case if the worst ever happens. if ya catch my drift!
Have you all seen the latest Gov Law BullS**t(i see some of you have), get caught with 50g of Heroin(what kills folk) & get no bird!
Thats your f***g retarded British Law & Government for ya! Ya let the junkies run wild! spreading their disease powder & death! I didnt even finish reading the article in the paper before i launched it in the bin in temper lol!
"50 grams", "it was for personal use your honour". lmfao...
Cheers!
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Hey bro!
How the Fk i missed your posts ill never know, ill set to a reading through now bro! I will say again guidlines are guidlines & they can hit you with what they like most of the time! If youve got form your in the shit & if you grow too much your in the shit. But 1-2 plants for personal use, i couldnt see CPS even bothering considering it, binned instantly! I think 4 or 6 could be numbers viewed in a similar light, but as you get up into higher numbers & double figures, personal use on any grounds becomes harder & harder to mitigate & your gonna get slammed(possibly)!
Oh this is cool info man n1!!! Cheers McSnapp, pretty much backs up what ive been trying to say man, keep the numbers low & ScrOG, Lst, Supercrop etc etc & think what if the worst ever does happen. there are prepera\tions to be made for most of us as Medical users that benefit from the drug, a doctors report of prior use knowledge can go a very long way & the next time im in the quacks im putting this right. if the worst ever happens to me ill be able to use a doctors report in mitigation & it'll hold up, because doc had prior knowledge of use on med grounds.
Great stuff anyway, read it all, interesting & people should listen, but i doubt most will on the numbers. Ive seen plenty of people get away & stay outta jail with 20-30 plant numbers, although i wouldnt want to be in such a position.
Best of Luck to all & dont forget a Doctor on your side can be very handy if ever needed! Respect
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Best of Luck to all & dont forget a Doctor on your side can be very handy if ever needed! Respect
Indeed it could. There are only two things noted officially as sentence reducing mitigating factors in cultivation cases.
1) "Original planting carried out by others." (not likely if you're here reading this
) 2) "Use of drug for medical condition."
audioaddict
Active member
It's on its way I think, still not for the average percy grower or small time dealer, but they're definitely moving in the direction of repossessing the wealth of perceived career criminals/gangsters... as much as you may agree with that happening, it's a dangerous precedent to set.
Just in case these threads get split apart, here is the latest info about a public consultation on the new guidelines, released two days ago (28th March 2011).
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=208384
Perhaps if enough of us get involved there's still scope to improve things in our favour.
It's been here quite a while unfortunately.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proceeds_of_Crime_Act_2002
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=208384
Perhaps if enough of us get involved there's still scope to improve things in our favour.
It's been here quite a while unfortunately.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proceeds_of_Crime_Act_2002
We allready have those laws, have for longer than i can remember.
Ive seen people lose their houses, cars, Bank accounts & even the dog lol! Yes man they can take everything if they can proove to a Judge it was profit from illegal activities! Untill that time they sieze all your assets anyway man!
worse mate. They dont have to prove shit...you have to prove your earnings are legit.
