Hobby Breeding Good or Bad?

[Szslack]

To the OP, yes hobby breeding is perfectly fine, as long as you're not trying to pass it for something it's not
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Breeder A has been working on some stuff for a long time, meticously crossing males and females and working with the offspring for several generations.

Breeder B has been working on some stuff for a while, utilizing various methods like STS, back-crossing and so forth.

I'm not saying either of them is wrong or right, but in our world where we pride ourselves of being part of nature and utilizing what nature gives us (this great herb) I'd dare say that Breeder A is in it for the love and Breeder B is in it for the bucks.

 

[Danki-Herbals]

i believe in breeding it is good to keep the gentics frsh and spreading around to maintain stability of whaat the plants have become. keep on doing your part in co existing with olants . breeding is also a way of of ttrying and savoring something completely fresh and new not tryed before. breeding leaves me with a sense of acomplishment and pride for time and effort and thought put into trying to make omething more suited for my needs.

keep makin them seeds
as a side note play some barry manilow when breeding ull have much higher success rates with your seed.

 

[BlueGrassToker]

As long as there is a clear goal, all cannabis breeding is a good thing.
Some of the most revered commercial breeders at one time knew very little of anything about the craft, and I would venture most started out as hobby breeders.

 

[hurdy gurdy man]

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[greene]

Yes!

Yes!

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Amen.
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[h.h.]

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You know exaclty why Baba Ku. Because MOST female seeds are made with intersex plants. If you breed with interex plants your just going to increase the frequency of intersex plants in the progeny.

At the rate the world is going now with female seeds outselling regular line and a whole bunch of people who really dont know what they are doing breeding with these plants and passing these tainted genes arround all the cannabis in the world will be homogeneously intersex in no time..

Baba Ku, you allways have something to say when i speak out against female seeds. So you must know all about them. Please tell me off the top of your head 1 single breeder you know of that isnt 100% about making a quick proffit and actually takes the time to find and use a true female in their female lines?

So if I use male pollen, I'm increasing my chances for males. Then we should not use male plants to breed. Same logic. It would take many,many generations of breeding back to feminized plants and then there would only be a chance . Chances are the undesirable traits would be breed out, not in. The few seeds that had the trait would certainly not dominate the species.
Irresponsible is passing on theory as fact.
In today's market, not using feminized plants would severely limit the gene pool we have available. While a major breeder using exclusively feminized might border on irresponsible, I feel as a small timer it is quite the opposite when done in moderation.

 

[ijim]

I was forced to many moons ago when the price of a pound sky rocketed to $150. Now I can take a pack of seeds. Cross them with whatever I have from last year. Grow in the sun and still be way under $150 a pound. With fresh taste and aromas.

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

The main currency of any breeder, 'hobby' or 'professional' is truth. The better any breeder of any level of experience can wield the truth, the more successful they will be with anything they try. It starts in the growroom with labeling. Gotta be a NAZI when it comes to labels. Anything that loses it's label is a '?', and is out of the breeding pool, NO exceptions! The real value of a cannabis seed is in it's pedigree, which is nothing but a record of truth. Renaming 'strains' is just a way to lose the story that goes with it, and hence the value of that strain. An 'amature' breeder who understands the value of accurate information can easily outpace a 'professional' who sees dollar signs in a few short years.

 

[highestground]

growing for me is a hobby which may someday become my major legal (215) source of income. when i find a male from a stable strain, i like to make F1 hybrids with desirable females. i consider this "seeding", not breeding. breeder's grow out F1 stock, pick a male and a female with desirable traits, cross them for an F2 generation, grow out F2s and seed F3 generation, etc. have a DYNAMITE Panama Red male mutant with branches close to each other on the main stem (short for a sativa) which thrives on indoor lights. we'll be slinging some pollen in early August.

 

[BlueGrassToker]

The main currency of any breeder, 'hobby' or 'professional' is truth. The better any breeder of any level of experience can wield the truth, the more successful they will be with anything they try. It starts in the growroom with labeling. Gotta be a NAZI when it comes to labels. Anything that loses it's label is a '?', and is out of the breeding pool, NO exceptions! The real value of a cannabis seed is in it's pedigree, which is nothing but a record of truth. Renaming 'strains' is just a way to lose the story that goes with it, and hence the value of that strain. An 'amature' breeder who understands the value of accurate information can easily outpace a 'professional' who sees dollar signs in a few short years.

I think many of us know that it's a mess. No way it isn't a mess.
If you grow enough pot, especially if you smoke it, you know that shit happens and mislabeling happens all the time. (or can anyway)
Couple that with the elaborate deceptive bullshit that many throw out, and we have to know it's a mess.
The auction is a mess as well. We surely know that.
Not to say that there aren't diligent folks who place a very high value on the truth here, because this place is dripping with such kind souls...but it is also crawling with bullshit.
And I just use this site as an example...the whole industry is a mess.

The good thing is...if you grow enough pot you find it easy to separate the wheat from the chaff. Younger less experienced growers seem to easily fall victim to bullshit and marketing.

Those with a love for the sport, and a passion for the truth will succeed be they a corporate behemoth, or a one lunged venture.

Such are all things really.

 

[Danki-Herbals]

So if I use male pollen, I'm increasing my chances for males. Then we should not use male plants to breed. Same logic. It would take many,many generations of breeding back to feminized plants and then there would only be a chance . Chances are the undesirable traits would be breed out, not in. The few seeds that had the trait would certainly not dominate the species.
Irresponsible is passing on theory as fact.
In today's market, not using feminized plants would severely limit the gene pool we have available. While a major breeder using exclusively feminized might border on irresponsible, I feel as a small timer it is quite the opposite when done in moderation.

i completely aggree here.. you need males to breed seeds that have fresh genetic make up, slight diversity, and male and female plants like its supposed to be . if you use only female and make feminized seeds, your not refreshing the genetics therefor every generation is gonna become less effctive ,in resistance to ever changing dieseases and pests, in quality of product , in intesity of stone. you are also going to have all females with a posible hidden hermaphodite trait.. so unless you use true femake you will possibley herm your crop. but using feminized seeds is not how nature intended the plant to evolve and spread its genetic make up . i just have an opinion like everyone else and its no better or worse then anyone elses. just sayin i preffer using a supper beefy smelly nice node structre and flowering time male. cross it with a very tastey andsmell good stoney female and selectivley backcross with traits youd like to keep till you got it good boosh seeds

 

[BlueGrassToker]

i completely aggree here.. you need males to breed seeds that have fresh genetic make up, slight diversity, and male and female plants like its supposed to be . if you use only female and make feminized seeds, your not refreshing the genetics therefor every generation is gonna become less effctive ,in resistance to ever changing dieseases and pests, in quality of product , in intesity of stone. you are also going to have all females with a posible hidden hermaphodite trait.. so unless you use true femake you will possibley herm your crop. but using feminized seeds is not how nature intended the plant to evolve and spread its genetic make up . i just have an opinion like everyone else and its no better or worse then anyone elses. just sayin i preffer using a supper beefy smelly nice node structre and flowering time male. cross it with a very tastey andsmell good stoney female and selectivley backcross with traits youd like to keep till you got it good boosh seeds

It always invites a closer look when anyone claims "how it's supposed to be" in nature. Unless I happen to be talking to mother nature herself, I am always a bit skeptical of the logic used by those who use this phrase.
How is it that nature produces feminized seeds on it's own all the time unless that is the way it's supposed to be?

If you use a female plant as a mother, and one of her brothers to cross to...it will be no different than if you use one of her sisters to breed to. Only one difference that we know of, and that is the female/female mating will only produce X seeds, as there is no Y chromosome available to pass that trait on. As far as loosing genetic diversity, there is nothing more that is lost. Unless of course you could tell us just what the male carries that the female doesn't?

And considering hybrid vigor (which what I assume you are getting at when talking about the disease and pest resistance etc...that the plant is missing out on), how could there be any less happen from breeding to a female as opposed to using a male? The female of the cultivar will carry everything that the male carries when it comes to passing on traits (save for the single Y chromosome).
You can obtain hybrid vigor by breeding with another female that same as you could using a male. And as far as hidden herm trait goes....tell me you can see this trait in the male and know he is a good one to use?
See, I can assess whether a female carries that trait quite easily, and I can tell you in short order if it is a good candidate to use for a cross that displays very little intersex. You and your male, on the other hand, are a crap shoot and lots of work must be put in just to find out if the male is even a viable candidate for breeding.

Feminized seeds ARE EXACTLY "how nature intended the plant to evolve and spread its genetic make up", as you put it. Even when the chips are down and something happened to all the males of the population, nature continues the species by using intersex.
If there were no intersex mechanism, it is very highly unlikely that we would ever even be having this discussion...and most of us would not even know pot existed and does what it does.

 

[2cents]

make your own seeds


I can't imagine ever wanting fem seeds.

I can imagine a market with 90% of seeds being fem seeds in the future and it being harder to find certain males.

 

[LittleAmsterdam]

I think that's why certain seeds companies have stopped selling regular seeds, just feminized. I don't think they want you to have their male / genetics for breeding.

How about feminizing a female plant from feminized seeds to produce male pollen of your best female?

 

[2cents]

I think that's why certain seeds companies have stopped selling regular seeds, just feminized. I don't think they want you to have their male / genetics for breeding.

yep

 

[LittleAmsterdam]

In the past I would grow 1-2 of my extra clones within a window seal that wasn't visible to the public eye for the purpose producing more seeds.

I never did like taking the risk of pollinating the lower branches within the flower room.

 

[2cents]

well one thing is sure.. an open air pollination will seed the shit out of everything

getting ready to cut off some male branches.. drop em into the ez cloner and then flip the cloning tent to 12/12 should be able to collect some pollen and then its off to a very small paintbrush then on to a well labeled lower branch on some different cuts.

 

[LittleAmsterdam]

Funny, I just harvested some male pollen yesterday. I can post some pics to show how I prefer to collect the pollen.

I like to hang the plant upside down and let the pollen drop onto some butcher paper below. I get 99% pollen and very little green. Pollen stores best if it's 100% pollen. Live tissue will breakdown and turn to mold quickly. 100% pollen can be stored for a long time.

 

[BlueGrassToker]

make your own seeds


I can't imagine ever wanting fem seeds.

I can imagine a market with 90% of seeds being fem seeds in the future and it being harder to find certain males.

The hobby breeder makes his own seeds, and be they regular bred or feminized, it makes little difference to anyone else.
Having some sort of prejudice against fem seeds is just short of ridiculous really. At the very least, it takes a lack of true knowledge about the topic to continue such a prejudice.

Imagining the cannabis world lacking males due to the feminized seed market is also a ridiculous concept.

And by the way...it takes a bit of doing to create feminized seeds. Proper fems that is. Anyone can let a hermie pollinate another female or itself. Same as anyone can collect and chuck some pollen at another plant. Lots more goes into breeding of good growing stock that simply chucking pollen about. Especially when it comes to breeding feminized seeds. Very few pollen chuckers have the skills to accomplish that task.
And those that do properly exercise that method of breeding know it is simply another facet to the sport. Another tool in the kit, nothing more nothing less.

One thing is for certain...the hobby breeder who understand the worth of feminizing seeds can, and will, obtain a stable line of growing stock much faster than anyone who carries a taboo about fem seeds and refuses to work with them.

 

[DocLeaf]

Hobby breeding is a positively good thing when the pursuit progresses beyond a hobby,,, otherwise professional seed breeders wouldn't exist (actually that might not be such a bad thing).

Love the plant and it will love you back.