Going with Happy Frog - Fox Farm Anything I should know?

[SOTF420]

I amended the hell out of the Ocean Forest mix and still don't have any burn other than maybe just some tips of fan leaves but hardly any burn. I also don't think I have seen people complaining of any burn with the Happy Frog which is not nearly as hot as FFOF but it really does depend on your strain because I have seen pure blueberry plants claw like a bear and burn up at 400 ppms of any nutrient solution fed to them in soil while I have fed Shishkaberry or Sweet Tooth plants 1000 ppms or more and they were still hungry afterwards. GENETICS, growth rates, temperatures, plant health, lighting and many other factors come into play in the whole "burn" the plants equation.

 

[mad librettist]

sotf, I gotta tempt you into a custom mix somehow, with good stuff like DE.

have you seen VG's "topsoil in the mix"?

 

[SOTF420]

I'm all ears man but to be honest have been having fantastic results so far with my custom FFOF/Coir mix, namely the vast trichome production and fast flowering times have been excellent along with great plant health & vigor which tells me they are getting everything they need from below. But I am sure the smartpots & genetics help too.

 

[mad librettist]

I would just try it on a small percentage of your grow. making big changes fast always hurts.

 

[Mr dude]

happy frog and ffof catch a lot of shit
i like both of them only prob is early yellowing (week 5 or so) but that is a personal prob much to learn bout feeding soils
i prefer hf cause the bag is bigger and cheaper
i perfer both over the sunshine 4 i got right now

 

[h.h.]

If I didn't have bugs my spiders would go hungry.
The local shop recieved an over supply of Sun Land. $8 a bag. Been using it for a couple weeks now. Seems like decent soil.
After using HF, I fimd it is close to Roots Organic. Not quite as light I tkimk I'd stick to OF cut with Roots Organic. Reminds me of the Roots 707. Not real happy with the HF, didn't like 707. Liking the Sun Land. It has a nice look and feel to it. Plants are thriving.It might be a better canidate for reuse as well. Trying to reuse OF, don't. It breaks down. Coco gets heavy and the perlite turns to dust, If you try to refresh it with new soil, you end up with a bunch of old soil. Not really soil, crap.
In a pinch though, if it doesn't have a nuvch of time release nutes and it's not that cheap stuff at Wally's, it will work with a conservative nute schedule. Hydro store stoner brands on a whole being better than the others
Horse shit and compost can usually be had for free, if you search them out. HS may have medications passed through or lime added to the piles. Ask. Innoculation can be done with old growth litter, termite droppings, ant hill dirt, EWC,Horse poop, or dare I say...stoner products. Something you might amend the HF with.

 

[Baba Ku]

Happy Frog Ingredients:

Composted forest humus, sphagnum peat moss, perlite, earthworm castings, bat guano, humic acid (derived from Leonardite), oyster shell, and dolomite lime.

Mycorrhizae Content Propagules per cc
Glomus intraradices .028
Glomus aggregatum .028
Glomus mosseae .028
Glomus entunicatum .028
Laccaria bicolor 5.6
Laccaria laccata 5.6
Pisolithus tinctorius 414.4
Rhizopogon amylopogon 5.6
Rhizopogon fulvigleba 5.6
Rhizopogon luteolus 5.6
Rhizopogon villosuli 5.6
Scleroderma cepa 22.4
Scleroderma geastrum 22.4
Scleroderma citrinum 22.4
Suillus granulatus 11.2

Bacterial Specifications cfu per cc
Bacillus amyloliquefaciens 60
Bacillus licheniformis 60
Bacillus subtilis 60
Bacillus pumilus 60
Bacillus megaterium 60

 

[SOTF420]

Sounds like it will grow some pot plants

 

[Mizzafishkilla]

The question for this soil "recipe" is what proportions of each ingredient is in the mix? At the end of the day, it's much easier (and cheaper!) to control the quality and proportions of each ingredient if one were to really spend the time to to source, understand, and mix these ingredients oneself. If you want to spend double or more on a fancy bag of mix with cool artwork on the front, have at it.

I understand that many people live in states where it is very difficult to source soil ingredients, and have to make the choice between the fancy artwork and sourcing your mix ingredients over the internet. However you do it, I don't give a F@%k.

There is something very rewarding about making and using your home made compost and EWC on your soil.

Happy Frog Ingredients:

Composted forest humus, sphagnum peat moss, perlite, earthworm castings, bat guano, humic acid (derived from Leonardite), oyster shell, and dolomite lime.

Mycorrhizae Content Propagules per cc
Glomus intraradices .028
Glomus aggregatum .028
Glomus mosseae .028
Glomus entunicatum .028
Laccaria bicolor 5.6
Laccaria laccata 5.6
Pisolithus tinctorius 414.4
Rhizopogon amylopogon 5.6
Rhizopogon fulvigleba 5.6
Rhizopogon luteolus 5.6
Rhizopogon villosuli 5.6
Scleroderma cepa 22.4
Scleroderma geastrum 22.4
Scleroderma citrinum 22.4
Suillus granulatus 11.2

Bacterial Specifications cfu per cc
Bacillus amyloliquefaciens 60
Bacillus licheniformis 60
Bacillus subtilis 60
Bacillus pumilus 60
Bacillus megaterium 60

 

[Baba Ku]

I would say that the majority of pot growers don't have the real estate or ability to be mixing up soils, even if they could obtain all the components they wished.

It gets to be a snobbish thing when you worry so hard about the artwork. And surely you will agree that there is more worth to HF that simply the nice art?

I find it a good thing to be able to simply purchase a quality soil and start growing.
You folks that find satisfaction in mixing your own soils, go for it. But when you start throwing stones at others you simply look stupid.

I would venture to say that there is a large portion of self mixing proponents that think they know all there is to know about the topic, but when the truth is known..all they really know is what they read on the internet. Would they really know if their mix is superior to others..including those in fancy artwork bags? Hell no they don't. Oh I'm sure they think they do...but please....

Let me ask you...just how did you get so boned up on what the proper amounts of each component are? Mixing gives you some magic we should know about?

 

[SOTF420]

What if we take the bag of Fox Farm and ALSO mix it with other shit?

 

[CANNATOPIA]

You folks that find satisfaction in mixing your own soils, go for it. But when you start throwing stones at others you simply look stupid.

Well Said Friend,.

 

[schwagg]

I would say that the majority of pot growers don't have the real estate or ability to be mixing up soils, even if they could obtain all the components they wished.

It gets to be a snobbish thing when you worry so hard about the artwork. And surely you will agree that there is more worth to HF that simply the nice art?

I find it a good thing to be able to simply purchase a quality soil and start growing.
You folks that find satisfaction in mixing your own soils, go for it. But when you start throwing stones at others you simply look stupid.

I would venture to say that there is a large portion of self mixing proponents that think they know all there is to know about the topic, but when the truth is known..all they really know is what they read on the internet. Would they really know if their mix is superior to others..including those in fancy artwork bags? Hell no they don't. Oh I'm sure they think they do...but please....

Let me ask you...just how did you get so boned up on what the proper amounts of each component are? Mixing gives you some magic we should know about?

Baba, do you recycle your soil?

the only stupid people..... eh, nevermind.

 

[mad librettist]

0)I would say that the majority of pot growers don't have the real estate or ability to be mixing up soils, even if they could obtain all the components they wished.



1)I find it a good thing to be able to simply purchase a quality soil and start growing.
2)You folks that find satisfaction in mixing your own soils, go for it. But when you start throwing stones at others you simply look stupid.

3)I would venture to say that there is a large portion of self mixing proponents that think they know all there is to know about the topic, but when the truth is known..all they really know is what they read on the internet. Would they really know if their mix is superior to others..including those in fancy artwork bags? Hell no they don't. Oh I'm sure they think they do...but please....

4)Let me ask you...just how did you get so boned up on what the proper amounts of each component are? Mixing gives you some magic we should know about?

This is not to babaku, who I am ignoring. It's to an imaginary person on the fence about mixing soil, playing devil's advocate.

0)I live in a denser city than you, I have to climb way more steps with all those components than you, and I probably have less square footage than you. And yet, I mix my own soil, for every plant in my house from the orange tree to the drosera to the clivia. It takes very little room to mix your own soil, but it does take some energy and time. The whole effort thing, and the whole "making informed decisions" thing can be a bit tough for some, but unless you are making lawyer money, it's less effort to mix soil than to pay off bags working stoner jobs.

1)good for you. why are YOU throwing stones? And who are you throwing them at exactly?

2)AFAIK no one threw stones at anyone until just recently, out of pure oversensitivity. criticizing soil choices is not personal.

3)Not sure what the fuck you are talking about, but you've addressed me as part of a collective so I'm responding. I've been at this since before the internet. And I'm not stupid enough to say I know all there is. But I can tell when I know more, let me tell you.

4)I can lead you to some sources that will be way easier to follow than what I had to do. Younguns these days really have it all laid out for them thanks to those who came before. How much you know is going to be independent of how long you spend growing weed from soil that comes in bag. Mix up soil once, and you will understand a lot of new stuff fast. That's how new experiences work - at first there is a big bump of new knowledge. Enjoy.



I don't get it. It takes zero effort to go to a store and buy a bag of soil. So why defend the choice like it's your mother's honor? Just say you feel it's good value for your situation and preferences, and you don't care to make it better. But don't go around requiring everyone to tell you fiction is fact. And please don't feel like you need to identify with the brand, and that an attack on the brand is therefore an attack on you. It is possible (and healthy) to seperate you from the brand.

 

[mad librettist]

I amended the hell out of the Ocean Forest mix and still don't have any burn other than maybe just some tips of fan leaves but hardly any burn. I also don't think I have seen people complaining of any burn with the Happy Frog which is not nearly as hot as FFOF but it really does depend on your strain because I have seen pure blueberry plants claw like a bear and burn up at 400 ppms of any nutrient solution fed to them in soil while I have fed Shishkaberry or Sweet Tooth plants 1000 ppms or more and they were still hungry afterwards. GENETICS, growth rates, temperatures, plant health, lighting and many other factors come into play in the whole "burn" the plants equation.

I think it's the biotone!

 

[SOTF420]

I love Epsoma biotone! Good shit!

 

[organicterra]

This thread ROCKS!

 

[señorsloth]

i bought it because it had a cute froggie on it... and that was my only reason...if my dealer started selling me weed stuffed inside beanie babies or hidden in boxes of puppies/kittens i would never grow...

 

[h.h.]

Perhaps the problem might be we're talking about potting mix in an organic soil forum.

 

[CANNATOPIA]

Perhaps the problem might be we're talking about potting mix in an organic soil forum.

Good Point!