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Is this fan/filter combo ok??

Hi, new here so apologise for having the audacity to start a thread so soon. I've had a look at some of the fans and filters on the market and come up with what looks to be possibly better than 4"ruck/rhino combos or 12/240V axial fan + DIY CF. Hoping people with more experience than I could pick any flaws in my reasoning.

Backgound:

I have built a bedside table for the purpose of growing. Inside dimensions in mm are roughly 600H x 360W x 360D. I have 5No. 23W CFLs hooked up in parallel horizontally mounted at the top of the cabinet. At the top of the back I have installed an 80mm silent PC fan to extract. Intake is at the bottom of the back and is almost twice the area of the exhaust. The PC fan is more than sufficient even when taken back to 6V to keep the heat from the lights under control and keep a good level of air flow. I can't imagine the PC fan is going to be up to the job of pushing into an external carbon filter.

I intend to make use of the weather and start off outdoors with a Snowryder auto but will want to use the bedside table to dry in 10 weeks time. Also, if things get too smelly in the back garden I want the option of bringing her (fem seed, I can hope) in to finish in the filtered box. This means getting started on odor solutions sooner rather than later.

Aim:

Find fan filter combo that is quiet and has a fairly low Q whilst still having the power to not choke on the carbon filter.

What I propose to use:

I have found that the CAN 2600 (100mm x 450mm) by Can filter has:
Pressure drop at max cfm: 42pa / .20"wg
Max Recirculating (Scrubbing) CFM: 90 cfm / 142 m³h
Max Exhaust CFM: 42 cfm / 71 m³h

This is much lower pressure drop than most other commercial filters which are usually 180Pa.
The S&P Silent 100 (air flow chart attached below) is quiet, low power and seems to have just about enough poke to drive the carbon filter.

silent_100_perf.jpg

(couldn't find how to upload the image so I linked it, hope it's ok)

What I am unsure of is the pressure drop curve of the carbon filter. . . Can I assume that to be of a similar (but opposite) gradient to the airflow curve of the fan? This would suggest that I would end up with a Q of just under 40m3h which is within the carbon filter's spec and more than enough for the purpose of ventilating the tiny cab.

The advantages of this over the Ruck/Rhino are that the fan can fit fairly flush within the cab, run quieter without need of a fan controller, use much less electricity and cost about £40 less. I feel the Ruck/Rhino 4" combo are undoubtably quality units (isn't CAN filter on a par with Rhino?) but probably over engineered for such a tiny space that is only likely to have 1 plant at a time.

If I have made some massive cockup somewhere or have missed something, please let me know. Thanks for reading this far; I'd appreciate your thoughts.
 

LeeROI

Member
A png I grabbed from some thread on this site, in 'mercan units:

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The Can 2600 is the vertical line on the left.
 

hippydan

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In my experience, axial fans are only good for moving air in an open space. Maybe micro grows could get away with an axial fan/DIY scrubber combo but if stealth is a huge issue for you I'd spend the extra money and buy the right things the first time.

My 4" axial fans are as loud if not louder than my 4" vortex w/ speed control. Good luck, hope you get it figured out.
 

Hammerhead

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I had to use a fan speed controller on my 33. All of the 6" in line are around 350 cfm. Mine does 400 CFM so I had to slow it down to the appropriate speed contact time with the Carbon is everything.
 
LeeROI: Thanks for that chart. It seems there is a brickwall at 50cfm. The Silent 100 I was looking at is a bathroom extractor fan.

hippydan: Thanks for your comments. According to manufacturer's spec, the Silent 100 seems to be really competitive in terms of noise output. The main attraction for me is that I have limited space for the cab and would benefit from one less external box. The question is whether the bathroom fan can power the relatively low pressure demands of the CAN2600. Or maybe the Silent 125. .

Hammerhead: It is looking more and more like I am going to have to go for the full blown fan/filter/controller route unfortunately. Which means added complexity, cost and number of boxes to hide. I guess another cab would be needed just for ventilation. .

Cheers for your replies
 

Hammerhead

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My thoughts where that if I ever need the capacity to use up to 400 cfm I have it. I will usually get equipment that will do more then what I need on certain things like fans,scrubbers,any electrical upgrades.
 
Makes sense. If an optimist believes the glass is half full and a pessimist believes the glass is half empty, I'm more from the "glass is twice the size it needs to be" persuasion.

Thanks for your replies
 

LeeROI

Member
I don't know if Phresh filters are available to you but they should have less air flow restriction (static pressure) than the typical Cans. Phresh supposedly has a more effective carbon so the thickness is reduced but I've heard they wear out sooner.
 

hippydan

Member
Be careful when getting any fans that are for bathroom extraction, I've heard they don't hold up to the 24/7/365 use that growers are looking for. Even if they're under warranty, your grow may suffer if you don't get a replacement soon enough.
 
I don't know if Phresh filters are available to you but they should have less air flow restriction (static pressure) than the typical Cans. Phresh supposedly has a more effective carbon so the thickness is reduced but I've heard they wear out sooner.

It never occurred to me that they would have lower static pressure loss. Just uses granules instead of pellets doesn't it so they can get same surface area with less carbon.
 
Be careful when getting any fans that are for bathroom extraction, I've heard they don't hold up to the 24/7/365 use that growers are looking for. Even if they're under warranty, your grow may suffer if you don't get a replacement soon enough.

I've heard that too. The Silent 100 is meant to have a life of 30,000hrs but being perpetually run at it's pressure limit is sure to reduce that.

Then again, for its specs and price it can be replaced a fair few times before costing as much as a Ruck + quality speed controller that won't reduce it's life. Could always run with a spare.

I'm going to also look at smaller centrifugal fans. Low output, high pressure is what I'm looking for
 
Silavent do some centrifugal extractors. . The Silavent Curzon 100 seems to fit the bill:
Extract Volume = 80 m3/h
Sound Volume = 26.0dB (A)@3m
Wattage = 35W
Max Pressure = 150 pa

Only £15 too . . has anyone tried using one of these or similar?
 
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