Police Officer Killed in Friendly Fire-Good thing we pay them what we do

[jd4083]

That's not really true...if anyone ever bothered to support their opinions with facts and argued their points with logic and reason rather than emotion, I for one would surely change my point of view on a subject if I was convinced. Instead we get immature mudslinging bouts and "FUCK THE PIGS!" Just my $.02...I say peace to everybody, I just respond in kind.

 

[Stress_test]

He was already trapped in his bedroom, they should have sang him a lullaby and ordered him a cup of warm milk to sooth his nerves so they could tell him to take a time out.

 

[stiltokin74]

That's not really true...if anyone ever bothered to support their opinions with facts and argued their points with logic and reason rather than emotion, I for one would surely change my point of view on a subject if I was convinced. Instead we get immature mudslinging bouts and "FUCK THE PIGS!" Just my $.02...I say peace to everybody, I just respond in kind.

You only prove my point jd4083, at no time have I gotten emotional. I am the picture of logic and reason. Not argreeing with you doesnt make me wrong. I consider my points both logical and reasonable, you dont.We disagree. If I present something I believe to be fact, you say wrong again. Doesnt make me wrong. We disagree.

I do however agree that the "Fuck the Pigs" type responses are emotional and counterproductive.

 

[kmk420kali]

You keep conviently ingnoring the reality of the situation and are making up a fantasy.

The knife weilding maniac came running out of the room before swat could be called. The incident took less than 10 min.

At 8:16, the officers report on their police radio that the man has entered the small, one-story house on the corner of Front and Fourth Avenue. DiGeronimo shares the home with his parents.

At 8:19, a report goes out over the police radio: Shots fired; an ambulance is requested.

It took about 3 minutes after the cops entered the house-- They did not have time to remove the parents, they did not have time to do much, since during that time, the guy kept opening his door, flipping them off and shit--
I am far from a "Cop Lover"...and I agree that there are way too many Police shootings that are not warranted-- But the guy rushed out of the room, and hallways typically are not very long...I would have shot him too--
Easy to assess the situation in hind-sight, after all facts are in...but these guys had no idea what they were facing, when he charged them--

 

[komrade komura]

From Reservoir Dogs:

Mr. Pink: You kill anybody?
Mr. White: A few cops.
Mr. Pink: No real people?
Mr. White: Just cops.

 

[Madrus Rose]

If a dog snarls when cornered,
shows his teeth and attacks.....should we kill him before he bites....or is there another way?

....does the same apply to humans?

Between the "War on Drugs" & War on Crime and a few other little "War's" happening that billions being spent on everyday & fill our daily eyes . ....

One of the resultant factors especially in tough-on-crime states like New York are the leavings from the President Ronnie Raygun years & the 3 Felony Strike Laws with accompanying mandatory sentencing . This creates always the potential for Cops to encounter violent repeat offenders that have 2 strikes & nothing to lose using deadly force back against them to effect escape at all costs . Cops in the US all across the country are aware of this in any situation involving even a simple traffic stop could lead to violence ....an offshoot of the "War on Crime " which itself is a direct offshoot of the "WAR on DRUGS" .

You'd think in this situation at least with multiple officers present , they could at least have not shot to kill & aimed for a shoulder or a leg , but guess they aren't conditioned or trained to respond this way ...or to have used taser . I'm sure their aim is good enough but they're not trained this way over here . In most cases , they shoot to kill usually always in the US .

This is a country in love with guns where even in an ideallic area where i have lived in Nor Calif where there's virtually almost no no violent crime & only one or two murders in over 11yrs , our police (rent-a-cops) routinely carry holstered right inside the car with them ---> a Bennelli 12ga semi auto shotgun plus an AR 15 assault rifle . Most of them are young ex-military , high on steroids & trying to earn their merit badges to get noticed .

Usually the older cops are more reasonable ...the younger cops today are usually products of a rejuvenated "Militaristic" minded US that finds itself in several simultaneous WAR's both at home & abroad . The recent shooting spree in Arizona where multiple people were shot comes to mind, where just before the shootings a concealed weapons law was passed making it legal for young adults to carry arms concealed on College grounds.

 

[jd4083]

You only prove my point jd4083, at no time have I gotten emotional. I am the picture of logic and reason. Not argreeing with you doesnt make me wrong. I consider my points both logical and reasonable, you dont.We disagree. If I present something I believe to be fact, you say wrong again. Doesnt make me wrong. We disagree.

I do however agree that the "Fuck the Pigs" type responses are emotional and counterproductive.

Wasn't referring to you specifically with that post. And I'm glad we can agree on that at least.

 

[stiltokin74]

no time to move the parents? ..."the officers faced with a barricaded suspect move the parents to another part of the house"...... why not move them out of the house?

.. "it is 8:17 as members of the Nassau police departments chief tactical unit report they are on the way ..... shots were fired at 8:19.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Run Amuck

Run Amuck

Here's some light reading to relax a little bit.


The following was taken from
http://www.alliancemartialarts.com/comtech lost heads.htm

One reason the Moros were so feared by other natives was that they used different weapons and had a different way of fighting. Most Filipinos were armed with bows and arrows, blowguns, and spears and did their fighting whenever possible from ambush in the jungle. The Moros were good at this too, but what they liked better was to rush the enemy with long spears and then close in with flashing steel swords; the double edged kris (pronounced "crease"); the broad, heavy, single edged barong; and the long, single edged kampilan. These were beautifully made by Moro blacksmiths and had elaborate hilts of ivory, hardwood, or silver. The kampilan was mainly used on Mindanao. One in the author's collection has a row of ten small holes filled with copper near the point of the blade, a tally of ten victims. The hilt was originally decorated with tufts of human hair. Even after the Moros had armed themselves with muskets and rifles, their favorite weapons were still the kris, barong, and kampilan. These are sometimes mistakenly called "bolos", but the bolo is a work-knife, or machete, often used as a weapons by northern Filipinos but never by the Moros. - Kris and Krag, pg.37

The City of Jolo, as other towns on islands where American Garrisons existed, witnessed the special horror of "juramentados" and "amucks". Either way the Moro goes through an orgy of killing, especially Christians, before he himself is shot down. The Moro who goes juramentado offers, through a spirit of patriotism, to avenge his chief or Datu, and, knowing that he is about to die, works himself up into a religious frenzy; while the Moro who runs amuck does so out of a personal intention to commit suicide, and, since the Koran prohibits self-slaughter, he must kill all who are in his path until someone kills him. - Men of the Sulu Sea, pg.38 …

A field force of the British constabulary captured three of the bandits and placed them under the guard of three soldiers in a vinta (small boat) which was taken in tow by a steam launch. The captain of the launch heard a cry aft in the vinta and hastened to the stern of the launch in time to see one of the Moros seize a kris and lop off the head of a guard. Instantly, the two remaining guards and the two prisoners leaped over the side of the vinta into the water. The Moro with the kris made no attempt to escape after killing the guard. Instead he seized the tow rope and began pulling the vinta alongside the steam launch. The Captain fired three shots into the Moro, who fell across the stern of the launch but rose immediately to pursue the officer across the deck. Then the Captain fired three more shots into the Moro, again dropping him to the deck, but he again came to his feet and continued pursuit. After absorbing six shots from a heavy caliber British army pistol, the Moro was still in full fight and the terrified Captain was stalked on the deck of his own vessel. The British officer, having emptied his pistol, now turned to run for a rifle but the Moro caught him, to deliver a terrible blow on the side of the head which knocked the Captain senseless into the engine room. The pirate moved forward to decapitate the helpless officer when his attention was attracted to the Chinese engineer. While he was hacking the engineer into small pieces, the Captain recovered consciousness and fired five rifle bullets into the Moro, finally dropping him dead on the deck. - Swish of the Kris, pg.204 …

Even the veteran Indian fighters among them had to learn that a Moro juramentado was more dangerous than a renegade Apache and twice as hard to kill. It was because of the juramentados that the Army replaced the caliber .38 revolver with the caliber .45. - Kris and Krag, pg.84

 

[AOD2012]

thanks crusader, yea things are getting a little heated in here.

 

[bentom187]

a life is a life, is a life, is a life, is a life ,animal ,plant, shelfish ect.......

dont descriminate,im sure alot of people here would cheer, but tsung tsu says war should be observed as a funeral,this is a war we didnt create but we should show respect cause all sides are losing somthing.
no one wins.

 

[AOD2012]

thanks bentom, couldnt have said it better myself.

 

[kmk420kali]

no time to move the parents? ..."the officers faced with a barricaded suspect move the parents to another part of the house"...... why not move them out of the house?

.. "it is 8:17 as members of the Nassau police departments chief tactical unit report they are on the way ..... shots were fired at 8:19.

So, when the guy ran out of the room...at the cops, with a knife raised above his head...they should have done what...maybe asked him to chill till SWAT got there?? Or maybe, in those few steps it takes to get down a hallway..they should have tried for his legs??
Dude, I had a fucking asshole hold me at point blank, and he shot 3 shots...aiming for my chest....one got me in the bicep, one in the crook of the arm, and the other hit my knee--
Granted is was a shitty li'l .25 auto..but the point is, when things happen in seconds or less, you may not have the time to aim properly--
I have been in State Prison 12 times...trust me, I have no love for cops...but I also can recognize when they are not wrong...even if they "Might" have been able to do things better....but only in Hind-Sight--

 

[stiltokin74]

So, when the guy ran out of the room...at the cops, with a knife raised above his head...they should have done what...maybe asked him to chill till SWAT got there?? Or maybe, in those few steps it takes to get down a hallway..they should have tried for his legs??
Dude, I had a fucking asshole hold me at point blank, and he shot 3 shots...aiming for my chest....one got me in the bicep, one in the crook of the arm, and the other hit my knee--
Granted is was a shitty li'l .25 auto..but the point is, when things happen in seconds or less, you may not have the time to aim properly--
I have been in State Prison 12 times...trust me, I have no love for cops...but I also can recognize when they are not wrong...even if they "Might" have been able to do things better....but only in Hind-Sight--

... surprisingly to myself, I begin to see your point there kmk420kali.

"If"(and there is an if) as reported by the cops the perpetrator/victim did indeed rush at them, with knife in hand, they were justified in shooting him, as I don't have an intelligent response as to what else they might have done once he was coming at them. I do realize that in a life or death situation NOONE shoots for the legs, and I would not want to rely on a Taser stopping him either.

Had they withdrawn to a safe distance and not applied so much pressure on a disturbed/deranged citizen, perhaps he would not have charged out of the room, but then again, maybe things went just as he intended. Who knows?

I do understand that hindsight is 20/20.