Safer 3 in 1 on seedlings

[Pointswest]

I'm noticing some burning on a larger plant I sprayed. Guess I just didn't let them dry off enough before lights back on. They're troopers though.

Someone want to tell me why the seedlings I planted in the large pots want to be runts and the seedlings I planted in the little cups want to be the faster growers?

this one not looking too good

Also, not nearly as many flies, but still some. Should I spray them again in a week or what's the best plan of action from here?

The large pots do not ever dry down with a small seedling and the pots are staying too wet. The waterlogged soil is keeping root growth from spreading to the lower parts of the pots and are slowing growth.

Plants should always be transplanted into smaller pots first to root up and then transferred to a larger growing container. When plants are waterlogged like this it can also result in lockout of nutrients in the anaerobic conditions caused by too much water.

Your plants are burned by the sprays, but look like they should grow out of the problem with time if the soil is allowed to go a little drier.

Don't spray anything until the plants recover from the first burning and are growing healthy new leaves again. Too wet conditions is probably the reason for the insect infestation in the first place due to the stress on the plants.

 

[TruthOrLie]

Your plants are burned by the sprays, but look like they should grow out of the problem with time if the soil is allowed to go a little drier.

Don't spray anything until the plants recover from the first burning and are growing healthy new leaves again. Too wet conditions is probably the reason for the insect infestation in the first place due to the stress on the plants.

okay, this was very helpful.

what do you think, take the ones in the cups, put them in the pots, put the ones in the pots in the cups?

somehow I thought by not having to transplant over and over would be better for them. Shucks.

I mean, geez, should I even do anything at all until I see some more recovery? I don't want to introduce anymore unnecessary stress

 

[187020]

500+ seeds right homie? no offense, but i'd ditch those, eradicate pests and resume a dialed operation.

stay peace

 

[TruthOrLie]

500+ seeds right homie? no offense, but i'd ditch those, eradicate pests and resume a dialed operation.

stay peace

well, I still have two clone strains in the same area which aren't going to be disposable, so as long as I'm keeping those going, I might as well see how these develop.

The pests weren't too serious, I just didn't want it to develop into something more serious.

I just did some roots investigation on the smallest plant (2 nodes) in the large pot. This is the one I'm most concerned about because I only have 5 or 6 more of these seeds.

I figured it would be this one that would be most water logged but surprisingly it was only slightly moist... a little wet for 3 days of not watering, but considering the stallout from the burn, I don't think I over watered the seedling had it not been damaged.

The root system wasn't too developed, less than 3" long with about a dozen branches. I hope I didn't damage it from lifting it with the weight of the moist soil on the roots... which is why I'm worried about investigating the more established seedlings.

Its really just one of these seedlings I'm concerned of. You're right, 500+ seeds, these other ones aren't too critical.

Hell, if I knew one of the other 5 or 6 beans had already popped I'd toss them all out and start over like you suggest.

The crazy part about it is, the summer is coming and I might have no space for any of these.

Anyway, the little one was replanted to a Solo cup. Hopefully she bounces back.

 

[Pointswest]

Make sure the solo cup has drainage this time. Leave the plant in the cup until rooted to the side and bottom of the cup then transplant. This will be when the plant has 4-6 well growing sets of branches. Transplanting up should not shock the plants if they are well rooted and ready for transplant.

 

[TruthOrLie]

Pointswest, just want to thank you again!

Thanks to your observations I had the confidence to do some examinations.

The smaller plants in the larger pots had very tiny root zone.

The larger plants in the smaller pots had huge root zones, in comparison.

Transplanting all the small cup plants to large pots and vice versa.

Looks like they're all going to make it.

Clearly the smaller plants in the larger pots had no desire to grow roots in search of moisture because, although not waterlogged, there was definitely a moisture residue chillin all throughout the larger pots.

 

[TruthOrLie]

A side note:

Seems like this grow around, everything I'm doing to be one step ahead keeps putting me 3 steps back.

I move a pot of dirt over to the side so I don't spill a little bit and next thing I know I've knocked the whole bucket over.

Put the better looking ones in bigger pots, now they're doing worse.

Spray to prevent flies (well, they're gone now) and I burn my plants.

What's next?!

 

[TruthOrLie]

Looks like they're all going to make it.

Looks like they're all going to make it.

I'll tell you. They were looking pretty bad for a few days there. The pictures didn't do them justice.

Don't see many more picture updates coming until I know what their flowers look like...

I'll get back at what the m/f ratio was soon as I know!

I think I seen a fly or two. Can I spray?

 

[Guest3498]

If you are going to use safer soap don't use the 3-part one. That stuff is garbage. If I remember right the sulfer in the 3part is always what burns leaves up.

Use this:
http://www.planetnatural.com/site/insecticidal-soap.html

Not this:
http://www.planetnatural.com/site/garden-spray.html

But then again I heard that you just add water and these plants grow themselves, right?

 

[TruthOrLie]

Safer 3-n-1 has worked like a champ for me until this disaster...

I just sprayed them again last night... noticed about half a dozen flies again.

Other than that, just been adding water.

Gave 5 of 9 away, these are the best of the bunch. Lets see who's male and female, next!

EDIT: I think the sulfur is there to prevent powder mildew...

 

[TruthOrLie]

After a second round of spraying... plus four hours lights off for the run off to dissipate...

there was still some slight burning...

could I have a bad batch of Safer 3 n 1?

Not really picture worthy. They are big enough now I'm not freaking out over any serious damage.