Old school low THC genetics
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I understand it .....sometimes i want to smoke a big J , full flavor but dont want to get sooo damn high ;-)
Sometimes i think the herb with the best flavor and taste are also the strong ones, or does someone know a strain with full flavor and taste but not a too strong effect? If so, please tell me
Sometimes i think the herb with the best flavor and taste are also the strong ones, or does someone know a strain with full flavor and taste but not a too strong effect? If so, please tell me
To be clear: im not looking for this because i dont like powerfull genetics. Im looking for less narcotic strains because i cant prosper normally after smoking few bowls of todays genetics. Im an active man, i got lot work to do in my cottage property - belive me, when ive smoked chemdd i just seat on my ass and dont give a fuck. I cant do like this so im looking for some active non real powerfull strain, something what i can smoke all day long and still have some "intentions" to work. I leave my chem and diesels for night time smoking.
Thats why ive mentioned old scholl genetics. I remember weed in the 80 in EU, it was something amazing, you can smoked it all time whitout "fuck up" feeling.
So please tell me who sell thats genetics today? Like a said - i think 10% THC is max level what those weeds had.
Btw where i can find cherry bomb 2 and cherry maui? Ive google it , i cant find it.
Excuse me my poor english.
Why not grow out a relatively potent strain but then cut it two or three weeks early? That should work I would think.
Asterix
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Agreed
This outdoor X18 is old school and very potent
Completly agree whit you - some very strong varietes were in the 80s to but it was real hard to get them (in my area extremly hard). Offcourse random weed from the street wasnt that strong but gived nice mood for sure and thats the reason why im looking for it.
BTW, im looking some info about Juanita la Lagrimosa anybody have it? It looks pretty intersting.
to early>? in my opinion if we cut plant to early high will be trippy, unpredictible.
Hey Raco... always with the nicest of stashes.
I noticed the OP summed it up nicely on page 2:
I find this to be an extremely widespread phenomenon these days. I've even met a lot of older heads who simply do not smoke at all anymore because everything just wrecks them. They think it's them - "just getting old" or some shit. Nope - it's decades of selections favoring raw strength and up-front potency over the myriad higher-level subtleties that can exist in the cannabis headspace, and a market at large that currently demands strength over clarity.
We're getting into an era where the majority of smokers never actually experienced the 'old school', they just hear about it. I'm getting to be an old guy, been growing for 21 years, and I only experienced the very tail end of the Old School myself. But oh man... as a grower I'm still chasing the effect memories of a few samples that most 'new schoolers' would have dismissed as schwag without even trying it.
One quality I have noticed to be sorely lacking in many modern hybrids is kindness. It isn't truly 'definable', but when one experiences it, one knows. Kind herb doesn't rip your head off and blast you to the couch - it comes on sweetly, even gently, and doesn't dominate one's headspace, it enhances it. And it does not necessarily mean low potency. I'll bet Raco's Tom Hill X18 there is as kind as Mr. Rogers while it's completely kicking your ass. I was actually going to recommend Tom's X18 and Grindhouse Ancient Afghan. Steele's description of his Ancient Afghan line makes me think it's what we used to refer to as "Christmas tree bud" in the central CA foothills in the late 1980s. It was available in late October and gone by New Years. Smelled like green apples, pine and skunk. Amongst my inner circle, the old Christmas Tree bud is still the benchmark for 'kindness'. Haven't seen it since 1991-2.
I've noticed over time that plants from real Mexican genetics tend to have a clear, happy, energizing effect that allows one to go on living one's life. It's a shame that poorly-grown and handled imports have given that whole segment of the gene pool a bad name in many peoples minds. The best high I've ever experienced in my life was from some bricked Acapulco Gold circa 1989. I will never, ever forget that chunk of bud. It wasn't a remarkable day, we weren't doing anything out of the ordinary. We smoked it in a cement drainage ditch. 20 years later we're still talking about "that blonde seedless Mexican we got from _______'s dad". The only drawback is that they're difficult to grow indoors, but judging from the OP's SSH plant that shouldn't present a problem. Embrace the Mexican...
The plants I've grown with Congolese genetics in the background have also had a tremendous clarity and energy to their effect. Anything Congo is straight-up couch repellant. The ACE Bangi Haze mentioned a few pages back is Congo x Nepalese, but I've found Nepalese genetics usually have that "BLAMMO!!" kind of potency the OP is trying to avoid. I think the absolute strongest pot I've ever had was grown from pure Nepalese genetics. It was like an energy brick to the 3rd eye. Amazing! - but not particularly functional. ACE's Congo hybrid has a few Congolese lines blended with a little Paki Chitral, that's definitely one to look into. I've also heard very good things about the effect of their Panama line, but I have not yet grown or sampled it so I can't say myself.
Another thing to try - give any one of your cuttings to an old hippie lady with an outdoor garden and see what she gets out of it. I think you'll be surprised.
Good luck in your search... once you find your daytime herb you'll know. It'll always be the first empty jar.
I noticed the OP summed it up nicely on page 2:
I find this to be an extremely widespread phenomenon these days. I've even met a lot of older heads who simply do not smoke at all anymore because everything just wrecks them. They think it's them - "just getting old" or some shit. Nope - it's decades of selections favoring raw strength and up-front potency over the myriad higher-level subtleties that can exist in the cannabis headspace, and a market at large that currently demands strength over clarity.
We're getting into an era where the majority of smokers never actually experienced the 'old school', they just hear about it. I'm getting to be an old guy, been growing for 21 years, and I only experienced the very tail end of the Old School myself. But oh man... as a grower I'm still chasing the effect memories of a few samples that most 'new schoolers' would have dismissed as schwag without even trying it.
One quality I have noticed to be sorely lacking in many modern hybrids is kindness. It isn't truly 'definable', but when one experiences it, one knows. Kind herb doesn't rip your head off and blast you to the couch - it comes on sweetly, even gently, and doesn't dominate one's headspace, it enhances it. And it does not necessarily mean low potency. I'll bet Raco's Tom Hill X18 there is as kind as Mr. Rogers while it's completely kicking your ass. I was actually going to recommend Tom's X18 and Grindhouse Ancient Afghan. Steele's description of his Ancient Afghan line makes me think it's what we used to refer to as "Christmas tree bud" in the central CA foothills in the late 1980s. It was available in late October and gone by New Years. Smelled like green apples, pine and skunk. Amongst my inner circle, the old Christmas Tree bud is still the benchmark for 'kindness'. Haven't seen it since 1991-2.
I've noticed over time that plants from real Mexican genetics tend to have a clear, happy, energizing effect that allows one to go on living one's life. It's a shame that poorly-grown and handled imports have given that whole segment of the gene pool a bad name in many peoples minds. The best high I've ever experienced in my life was from some bricked Acapulco Gold circa 1989. I will never, ever forget that chunk of bud. It wasn't a remarkable day, we weren't doing anything out of the ordinary. We smoked it in a cement drainage ditch. 20 years later we're still talking about "that blonde seedless Mexican we got from _______'s dad". The only drawback is that they're difficult to grow indoors, but judging from the OP's SSH plant that shouldn't present a problem. Embrace the Mexican...
The plants I've grown with Congolese genetics in the background have also had a tremendous clarity and energy to their effect. Anything Congo is straight-up couch repellant. The ACE Bangi Haze mentioned a few pages back is Congo x Nepalese, but I've found Nepalese genetics usually have that "BLAMMO!!" kind of potency the OP is trying to avoid. I think the absolute strongest pot I've ever had was grown from pure Nepalese genetics. It was like an energy brick to the 3rd eye. Amazing! - but not particularly functional. ACE's Congo hybrid has a few Congolese lines blended with a little Paki Chitral, that's definitely one to look into. I've also heard very good things about the effect of their Panama line, but I have not yet grown or sampled it so I can't say myself.
Another thing to try - give any one of your cuttings to an old hippie lady with an outdoor garden and see what she gets out of it. I think you'll be surprised.
Good luck in your search... once you find your daytime herb you'll know. It'll always be the first empty jar.
PicosPoisonftw!
Active member
Here you go my dude. A list of strains tailored to your preference. Spain is doing it big w/the cbd projects. Resin Seeds is colab'ing w/Shanti on stable high cbd to thc ratio strains for the med community. Their Cannatonic is one to check out. Asterix, the Juanita is from Raggae seeds in Spain.
http://projectcbd.org/Availability.html#Marketing
http://projectcbd.org/Availability.html#Marketing
I wouldn´t recommend it.According to the last reports,unstable (all different phenos) and two full blown hermies out of 7...
I hear that Cannatonic is an S1 of Juanita...but it´s all bs IMVHO
Cool post PondeLftHndSide!!
What a fantastic post! I couldn't have written it better myself
The kindness factor is HUGE, and is the basis of almost all my breeding and selecting criteria...
You guys should head over to the dj forum and check out the plants and vibes thread too. It's lovely. We do need to embrace the old hippy lady kindness that is in us all - for our own sake and the sake of our plants
calicoli06
Active member
Sounds like your looking for Cherry Pez Livity!
peace
peace
Asterix
Active member
finally someone who understand me
Ive tried Bangi Haze from Ace. Its a nice pot great for northern areas, but to strong, its not what im looking for in this thread.
any cannatonic smokers? how is it?
PicosPoisonftw!
Active member
Good post. I agree the kindness is a needle in a haystack now at anything more than a light dose (but light doses do work for me, just about any strain can be limited to a light enough dose to be kind.) DJ short's stuff in my experience is all "kind". Comes through in the crosses as well. Blue Widow is nice and potent and very positive. A sat leaning widow is the kindest herb I've had actually, but needle in a haystack applies there for sure.
Raco, yeah I read (on the CBD project page) that one pheno of Resin's cannatonic encountered was the polar opp. (over 20% thc and virtually no CBD). I also hear they're working on stabilizing a few CBD > THC strains, and it's promising to hear shanti's in the mix. I like the idea of the resin community too.. to have your strains grown, smoke & buy their strains and get instructed on how to grow your own in at their lounge.
Asterix there's a description of the cannatonic there on the CBD project page.
PicosPoisonftw!
Active member
Ive read this, great site and great project. but im looking for someone who smoked it
http://www.mernagh.ca/medicinal-marijuana-review-cannatonic/
lots more... google cannatonic strain review if you haven't already.
Mr.Tortoise
Member
I was not impressed with cannatonic. Did not leave me alert or overly functional. Just seemed like a lot of other smoke. Right now from what I the best functional strain I have is Ed Rothenthal. I find it more functional than cannatonic. I just mix in cannatonic with other stuff as I don't like wasting medicine. That being said I didn't not select the cut so... For kindness to shine through the person making the selection has to be in touch with themselves and the plant. Unfortuntely I don't think many people in the world today are. Going to be interesting times ahead, the planet needs people with kindness, compassion, empathy, character. I find these traits are disappearing in a large segment of society.
peace
peace
lowryder 1 or 2 quite a nice high but rather weak.
I never tried LR1 but the LR2 leaves me with a crap feeling in the morning when smoked the night before. I suspect it's a side effect because of a high cbd level. I didn't find LR2 too weak though, it must be pheno variation.
Yeah less doesn't work. Tried baby hit exhale super fast. Potency is too much.
Panic attacks suck if the potency is too strong.
The anxiety comes on like a realization. Its in that moment you realize your not in control your anxiety is in control. The experience is unpleasant and for a short period your looking for a way out. You get up and go to the door to see if its there. Its not there, whatever it was that I was looking for isn't here. Damn it what was I looking for. Okay don't freak out, keep it together. I need cold air. I need to get outside and breath. Okay I'm outside, okay I think this is better. I think I feel a little better. Shit why is my neighbor looking at me, is something wrong ? He knows. How does he know ? Wow these people are driving up and down the road really fast. That van looks familiar. Did that white van already pass. Look at all these people.Why are they staring at me? These treople are pippin. Oh man I hope this wears off really fast. Now what was I doing outside? O Shit why is that helicopter flying so close to my house? Holy shit its close. OMG They are scanning my house. Shit they know! Hurry get everything out now. Clean, tear it down, Hurry they're gonna be here any minute. Oh man its gloomy inside, it doesn't smell pretty and bright in here. Fuck I'm hungry. I need to eat. This fuckin samwich is good. God damn this taste good.This is like the best fuckin samwich i have to get someone else to try this samwich. I could prolly sell these samwiches and start a business,they are seriously good. Wow I am so thirsty right now. Why am I craving lemonade so bad. Ewww whats that on tv, oh it's funniest home videos. Oh shit that's really funny. That talking dog is so amazing. Wow I never knew animals where so cool. Gosh that show is funny. I am super tired. Why am i so tired. Snooze. Wake up. I feel hazey what hell did i do ?
Panic attacks suck if the potency is too strong.
The anxiety comes on like a realization. Its in that moment you realize your not in control your anxiety is in control. The experience is unpleasant and for a short period your looking for a way out. You get up and go to the door to see if its there. Its not there, whatever it was that I was looking for isn't here. Damn it what was I looking for. Okay don't freak out, keep it together. I need cold air. I need to get outside and breath. Okay I'm outside, okay I think this is better. I think I feel a little better. Shit why is my neighbor looking at me, is something wrong ? He knows. How does he know ? Wow these people are driving up and down the road really fast. That van looks familiar. Did that white van already pass. Look at all these people.Why are they staring at me? These treople are pippin. Oh man I hope this wears off really fast. Now what was I doing outside? O Shit why is that helicopter flying so close to my house? Holy shit its close. OMG They are scanning my house. Shit they know! Hurry get everything out now. Clean, tear it down, Hurry they're gonna be here any minute. Oh man its gloomy inside, it doesn't smell pretty and bright in here. Fuck I'm hungry. I need to eat. This fuckin samwich is good. God damn this taste good.This is like the best fuckin samwich i have to get someone else to try this samwich. I could prolly sell these samwiches and start a business,they are seriously good. Wow I am so thirsty right now. Why am I craving lemonade so bad. Ewww whats that on tv, oh it's funniest home videos. Oh shit that's really funny. That talking dog is so amazing. Wow I never knew animals where so cool. Gosh that show is funny. I am super tired. Why am i so tired. Snooze. Wake up. I feel hazey what hell did i do ?
I don't know if this has been posted or not, but Highland Oaxacan Gold would fit what you're looking for in terms of go all day, no burnout, no ceiling effects...one of my favorites for sure...plenty of DJS genetics with HOG in em that you might enjoy. My only other suggestion is somewhat of a standard for me...the Lambsbread, if ya can get the real deal (or what I know as the real deal, at least). I have no clue what the actual THC % of either of these strains are, I'm simply going by the effects. I'm very much the same as you are, if I smoke most any modern hybrids, regardless of whether they are sativa- or indica-dominant, I generally get a very cloudy, "muddy" mind and have a tendency to lose my motivation and ability to focus.
Been a member here since '04. Put up with all the bullshit because of members like this, who literally pour out the most valuable advice from experience expecting nothing in return.
1974, ZZTOP concert, right in front of the stage. Got a beer buzz going. Here comes the J from the right. I take a selfish monster hit and pass to the left. What follows cuts through the beer and settles on my head and shoulders like lightness and happiness. With friends after the concert at a Village Inn, laughing so hard I had trouble breathing.
Don't know what it was, (probably mexican) but I will never forget the experience.
Fast forward to middle-age when I buy something off the street desperate to find depression/PTSD relief, expecting a similar experience to the last time, years earlier.
The experience is so raw and uncomfortable that I lay down and try to sleep it off. Instead of sleeping I see with my eyes closed, the swirling event horizon of a black hole and feel with certainty that if I don't open my eyes, I will cross it, fall into the black hole and die.
Shortly after, I am (no shit) jabbing a fork into the bottom of my foot for some reassurance of reality. Pain was my only connection to well being.
That lasted (according to the clock, lol) for three hours. But damn it if my depression didn't subside for days afterward.
I appreciate this thread because my search is the same and it takes guts to bring the topic up. Mellow, happy, pleasant grass seems to be considered "chick weed" and the more f**ked you can get the more manly you are. I guess that happened sometime in the '80's or '90's when I was busy being a responsible adult (read:sheep).
I just don't get it.
Try Chimera's fighting buddha, I had a cut of FB which was great daytime smoke, smelled like montain flowers with a bit of fruit behind it.. not the strongest smoke, just pleasant. I don't know if there are other phenos, I had only two seeds and got damn lucky, from what I can tell, the high leans towards the burmese side of the family.. sativa, similar to the high you can get from temple balls (obviously not as strong ), clear, functional, and fairly long lasting (so you don't need to smoke a j every hour)
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=55108&page=3
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=55108&page=3
