Police Officer Killed in Friendly Fire-Good thing we pay them what we do

[Madrus Rose]

Humans, always looking for a way to leave body and be free to roam the universe. Silly animals are we with bodies, masters are we without. It's all good. No what I'm sayin'? Probably not.

definitely get the drift & the gist as we all wander along the eternal rift ....must be infinitely more positive human interest stories out there, too many rabbits running in the ditch ...must be the season of the witch .

( shrooms out early this year CC? Nah , too early in your neck of the woods ...hehe )

 

[hempluvr]

Its not an eye for an eye though.... You have to punish the EXACT person that wronged you for that to work, not someone associated with them.

You can't punish a group of people for the actions of a few in that group. That is like black people going around randomly killing white people today, because they enslaved them in the past. Or me going around and killing everyone drinking alcohol because a drunk killed my friend a few years ago. Its not an eye for an eye.

While I dislike cops and avoid them, they are still doing their job, and wishing them to die is not good. They still have families, and small children who will be crushed if they lost their father and source of security.

It was a group of people that went into the house and it was a group of people who chased the kid down. 1 man shot him but find 1 cop who feels bad or disagrees with what went down. Their thoughts are "he should not have rushed us" well them cops do not always have to shoot to kill. They could have blew his knees out and subdued him. If that was a group of gang bangers who ran up in that house ALL of them would be guilty,even if there was a lookout man outside,he is guilty. How is this any different? What,because they are cops....fuck that!

...and the dumbass cop who ran onto the scene with a machine gun looking like a thug...wtf u think was gonna happen? Big crime scene and instead of putting on a coat that says POLICE on it he throws on a hoody and its unclear if his badge was visible......hmmm

Like I said b4,tragic ending...but fucka piggy

 

[Captain Ginyu]

Don't Police in your neck of the woods have to go thru some sort of Martial Arts training that involves diss-arming someone weilding a knife?.......that and a good spurt of pepper spray/mace should have contained the situation....

Many more incidents than one can possibly count, an encounter with a knife, (especially in close proximity), the officer is authorized to use deadly force. And believe me, more than 90% of the time, they will fire before saying a word! Sure they could use pepper, mace, or taser you. But they run a greater risk to themselves by doing so, and being a cop isn't healthy in their longevity to take on more chances against their own survival. So as a result, they are much more likely going to shoot, and answer for it later.

And always remember this... Most cops are more afraid of knives than guns. Why, you ask? Because, no body, (bullet proof) armor in the world can defend against it!

 

[vonforne]

Many more incidents than one can possibly count, an encounter with a knife, (especially in close proximity), the officer is authorized to use deadly force. And believe me, more than 90% of the time, they will fire before saying a word! Sure they could use pepper, mace, or taser you. But they run a greater risk to themselves by doing so, and being a cop isn't healthy in their longevity to take on more chances against their own survival. So as a result, they are much more likely going to shoot, and answer for it later.

And always remember this... Most cops are more afraid of knives than guns. Why, you ask? Because, no body, (bullet proof) armor in the world can defend against it!

The reason most cops shoot first and ask later is that nothing happens to them even if it is a wrongful shooting. They have no fear of prison and at the most get paid suspension.

There were many options available.

V

 

[FreezerBoy]

He didn't shoot anyone.

DeGeronimo created the situation. He and he alone is responsible for the outcome.

It's easy to say now, from the comfort of our homes, what should have been done after we've had hours to days to think about it. The police had seconds to respond to a knife wielding homicidal maniac intent on killing them and untold others. To suggest they should've shot them in the legs is the stuff of Hollywood. Why not shoot the knife out of his hand, stop him with brain waves or use the wayback machine some here think police have in the trunks or their cars?

If you don't want to get shot, don't attack someone with a deadly weapon. If you do attack others with a deadly weapon, take responsibility for your actions.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

If a dog snarls when cornered, shows his teeth and attacks.....should we kill him before he bites....or is there another way?

....does the same apply to humans?

 

[FreezerBoy]

I don't recall any dogs being involved in this story. Dogs react to threats, they don't make them without cause. But, since you ask, does the dog have a knife? Did the dog threaten the entire neighborhood and defenseless little old ladies? As a dog lover, if a wild, vicious, rabid dog, foaming at the mouth charged me, you bet I'd kill him. For my own safety and that of others around me.

 

[Green lung]

I don't recall any dogs being involved in this story. Dogs react to threats, they don't make them without cause. But, since you ask, does the dog have a knife? Did the dog threaten the entire neighborhood and defenseless little old ladies? As a dog lover, if a wild, vicious, rabid dog, foaming at the mouth charged me, you bet I'd kill him. For my own safety and that of others around me.

Couldn't you get the Dog in a choke hold or something? Make him tap out.

 

[dagnabit]

If a dog snarls when cornered, shows his teeth and attacks.....should we kill him before he bites....or is there another way?

....does the same apply to humans?

if the same dog was seen foaming at the mouth throughout the neighborhood,jupming on the hood of moving cars growling a ladies inside and had filed sharpened metal teeth.
when the animal control officer showed up and the rabid motherfucker tried to bite?

yup. put down.

of course if it was a friendly dog that loaded into the truck when asked and never bared a tooth it would still be put down if it is the wrong breed.

 

[EliTheBarrowBoy]

DeGeronimo created the situation. He and he alone is responsible for the outcome.

It's easy to say now, from the comfort of our homes, what should have been done after we've had hours to days to think about it. The police had seconds to respond to a knife wielding homicidal maniac intent on killing them and untold others. To suggest they should've shot them in the legs is the stuff of Hollywood. Why not shoot the knife out of his hand, stop him with brain waves or use the wayback machine some here think police have in the trunks or their cars?

If you don't want to get shot, don't attack someone with a deadly weapon. If you do attack others with a deadly weapon, take responsibility for your actions.

The responsibility is not his alone. He didn't shoot anyone. A person pulling a trigger on a human that dies from that trigger has just killed that human, he's not somehow absolved of responsibility.

There are plenty of people that seem to think wounding is preferred to killing. If this happened in the U.K. they would not have shot him or themselves, but the situation would have still been remedied.

If one shot can kill why can't one shot wound instead? Why did we ever issue tasers?

This was in the New York Post today:

A knife-wielding man was fatally shot by police after lunging at officers in the Bronx on Saturday, police said today.
The deranged man was arguing with his roommate inside his apartment at 1545 Rhinelander Avenue shortly after 11 p.m. when he whipped out a knife and threatened to stab him.
The victim frantically dialed 911 and responding police were confronted by the 46-year-old suspect, who was waving a six-inch steak knife.
They ordered the assailant to drop the weapon but he continued to charge towards them, police said.
Cops opened fire and struck him once in the chest, killing him.

Remember the minimum force bill?

There is outrage over a proposal to change the 'shoot to kill' training for police officers.
A bill in New York's Assembly would require officers to use minimum force with the intent to stop suspects, not kill them.
Officers say it's unrealistic and would put lives in danger.
"Any sort of additional requirement that is shoot to wound, it's impossible to implement," said Commissioner Ray Kelly.

The PBA President is also disputing the bill. "We always use the minimum amount of force. Sometimes the minimal amount is deadly physical force to stop that person from killing a person or a police officer," said Pat Lynch.

Cops are lazy. They know a bullet in the chest will drop them so they use it and go home. Holding them accountable is a good first step in stopping them murdering us and each other.

Calling murder by its name is a good second step.

 

[dagnabit]

i wonder how much force people would want police to use if a lunatic in a mask with multiple knives was on your wife/mother/grandmother/daughter's hood banging on her windshield with a knife laughing?

probably want them to offer him flowers to calm him down?

 

[EliTheBarrowBoy]

i wonder how much force people would want police to use if a lunatic in a mask with multiple knives was on your wife/mother/grandmother/daughter's hood banging on her windshield with a knife laughing?

probably want them to offer him flowers to calm him down?

From what I've seen you are one of the most aggressively arrogantly adamant posters here. If it's possible to get you to listen instead of just wait for your turn to talk I'll answer you.

Equal force isn't unreasonable to ask for in that situation. They always have more cops than suspects, there isn't any reason to use a gun when you have a stab vest on and they have a knife.

How many cops does it take to not kill a suspect?

As for flowers I doubt they even sent any.

 

[dagnabit]

From what I've seen you are one of the most aggressively arrogantly adamant posters here. If it's possible to get you to listen instead of just wait for your turn to talk I'll answer you.

Equal force isn't unreasonable to ask for in that situation. They always have more cops than suspects, there isn't any reason to use a gun when you have a stab vest on and they have a knife.

How many cops does it take to not kill a suspect?

As for flowers I doubt they even sent any.

funny im not the one who has been aggressive at all..
just pointed out there is another side to see this from.

i've said it before and ill say it again

the biggest mistake in this situation was strapping on a mask terrorizing the entire neighborhood with multiple knives then committing suicide by cop.

sitting here saying "they should have done...." from the comfort of our couch is easy.

i hate the police state we have become. i hate how much power the cops have now.
i hate that some people here feel that "the idiot cop deserved to die"

i realize that sometimes deadly force is misused.
i realize sometimes it is justified.

some feel this situation warranted less than lethal force.
it is my opinion it was necessary.

your right though it is meaningless.

some folks just have hate in their hearts for leo.

there are bad ones out there. there are good ones too.

 

[Bionic]

The cops should have set their police-issued phasers to "stun." LMAO at "stab-vests." Do they wear stab masks, cups and leg-warmers, too? Maybe the cops should carry knives so that way they could've engaged him in a CQC knife-fight a la Steven Seagal... Lawman.
Listen, what do you think the knife guy was gonna do when he got close enough to the cops? He was gonna try to murder/stab as many as he could. Him getting shot to death was equal force. It's not pleasant and no one likes to talk about it but it's reality. The cops were called to the scene by frightened citizens and they did what their training told them to do. The weirdo could've just surrendered and lived to be crazy another day but he chose his destiny. It's not like they busted him for no reason and killed him while in custody.

 

[jd4083]

.... and why did these "upholders of the law", who have sworn to "serve and protect", not use their non-lethal weapons?

a flash bang thrown into the bedroom, or a well placed taser dart would seem to have been more appropriate.

These "proffessionals" panicked and killed one obviously mentally disturbed individual and then "accidently" killed one of their own because he was in possession of a weapon. Nowhere did I see where the retired officer made any threatening gestures.

Someone should be charged with a crime, but of course wont.

flash bangs? Tasers? You realize that the real world is not like Black Ops, right?

I love threads like these because they really make it easy to pick out the imbeciles from the adults on this forum.

 

[jd4083]

Couldn't you get the Dog in a choke hold or something? Make him tap out.

just throw a smoke grenade and then take him down...dogs are way better on their stand-up than their ground game for sure.

 

[dagnabit]

flash bangs? Tasers? You realize that the real world is not like Black Ops, right?

I love threads like these because they really make it easy to pick out the imbeciles from the adults on this forum.

shit..
the flashbangs dont save my ass in B.O. either lmao..

i still end up with a -kdr

 

[jd4083]

shit..
the flashbangs dont save my ass in B.O. either lmao..

i still end up with a -kdr

on the odd occasion that I actually play video games and choose that one, I almost always end up flashbanging myself and being knifed in the back

 

[jd4083]

You know, now that I think about it, why didn't these god damned dirty fckin pigs just throw a tomahawk at his knife when he popped open the door to flip em the bird? As long as they had Ghost Pro and the radar jammer, how would he have ever known they were there?

 

[stiltokin74]

flash bangs? Tasers? You realize that the real world is not like Black Ops, right?

I love threads like these because they really make it easy to pick out the imbeciles from the adults on this forum.

Imbecile??? ... I think you should take a closer look in the mirror "friend". Your post is completely antagonistic.

If as I earlier suggested, the police had evacuated everyone else from the house immediately, and then pulled back to a SAFE distance to await the arrival of a properly equipped SWAT team (who by the way will have flash bangs) the victim would now be housed where he belongs. In the mental ward.