my turn to cry...

[trichrider]

...so it happens. things go south, or any number of different directions when you think it won't.

attempted a ww X chronic pollination and was convinced that it was successful; many seeds pulled from the flowers. had plans to bx to the mother....

germed a batch of seed, but when they showed sex they were all female. this would not normally upset me, but i wanted seed for a male plant.

so, instead of chucking them, i decided to s ee what they were going to produce...and since i'm not here to boast of my growing abilities, i thought i would do my first grow thread with them.

let me introduce you to the 3rd Woman.




six weeks into flower now. started flowering with a 4oo watt MH. at halfway they were moved under 4oo watts HPS.

opted to let them grow naturally, but had to top several because of height issues. they have been quite suprising.

ridicule and/or comments welcomed.

thanks, tr

 

[vonforne]

Whats up man? There is nothing wrong with 3 females. Is that all the seeds you sprouted?

That third plants looks like it is clawing a bit but over all good job. Try and wok that problem out next round. I would increase the container size a bit.

What is the soil make up?

Do you bottle feed or use Teas?

V

 

[mad librettist]

hmmm something is up. I like to see the leaves jutting out a bit more robustly with an upward angle rather than a downward curl, droop, or claw.

sort of like this (not my plant):

 

[guest2012y]

Try an EWC slurry or topdress......

 

[TACOE]

I've seen the claw (curling and canoeing). Don't know what the cause is. It tends to get worse if u don't fix it. Are the leaves brittle?

too much of something maybe.. (N in flower?) maybe too frequent feedings (if using strong teas/nute teas or bottled nutes.

Is that a three footer? How much soil, 1 gal? should = 1 gal of soil per ft of growth.. according to common cannabis growing knowledge

The quart milk jugs are definitely to small for those plants in organics - IMO

According to reading and what i've learned about organics, I think you should go bigger. 5 gal minimum for something that size.

 

[mad librettist]

I second what the Capt said. It's like hitting reset. And if Tacoe is right, it will still work. Maybe try to keep your tea very bacterial and on the young side if you are trying to sequester N (I have no evidence for doing that just speculating).

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

Are you lonely or something?

 

[guest2012y]

I second what the Capt said. It's like hitting reset. And if Tacoe is right, it will still work. Maybe try to keep your tea very bacterial and on the young side if you are trying to sequester N (I have no evidence for doing that just speculating).

Interesting idea..I've been experimenting with managing microherd population. I have no microscope so I can only make judgements based on results from the look of the plants. I'm coming to understand that if you have a healthy well amended soil,then it sometimes becomes unnecessary to apply an ACT in some cycles.
Maybe limit the amount of food,ACT,and try to sequester some N in char....I dunno.
Temps also greatly affect the activity of the soil. I notice they do way better when the pot temp is around 60-65 degrees,as compared to pots that are around 50 degrees.

 

[mad librettist]

I agree Capt, no need to obsessively apply ACT, but he's got the claw.

 

[guest2012y]

Yeah...I say transplant into bigger pot and add extra EWC during transplant.

 

[TACOE]

just to brush up on my lingo.. The EWC slurry we are discussing is just castings sloshed around in water? Are we hoping that the EWC will be brought down through the soil in the water vs. a topdress? We aren't trying to stimulate life in the actual slurry.. more to bring life carrying particles down into the soil. Is my understanding correct?

 

[guest2012y]

just to brush up on my lingo.. The EWC slurry we are discussing is just castings sloshed around in water? Are we hoping that the EWC will be brought down through the soil in the water vs. a topdress? We aren't trying to stimulate life in the actual slurry.. more to bring life carrying particles down into the soil. Is my understanding correct?

You have the right idea going,I work it into the soil somewhat carefully with my fingers a bit then water. Usually see improvements in a couple days to a week.

 

[mad librettist]

just to brush up on my lingo.. The EWC slurry we are discussing is just castings sloshed around in water? Are we hoping that the EWC will be brought down through the soil in the water vs. a topdress? We aren't trying to stimulate life in the actual slurry.. more to bring life carrying particles down into the soil. Is my understanding correct?

yes it's just EWC sloshed in water, but it's way more EWC than you use for ACT.

So yes, there will be real life in the slurry.

I'm topdressing too, because the solids go on. Then I use my little bonsai rake.

 

[trichrider]

"you are not logged in..." evaporated an hours worth of typing all the information and responses I had worked to deliver. funk! I'm overwhelmed. Just opened 3 more windows with IC so it doesn't happen again.:

 

[trichrider]

Started 10, 2 null.
Four in 1 gal milk cartons (3 curling) from seed.
Four were transplanted into 13 liter waste cans prior to flip (only 2 curling).

Soil matrix…
½ bag BlackGold seedling
½ bag BlackGold Organic Soil mix
1/3 volume perlite
½ cup Blood Meal
1 cup Bone Meal
1 cup Alfalfa Meal
½ cup Dolomite Lime
2 Tbsp Bat Guano
¼ tsp Leonardite
Mix is recycled. Watered in with 15 ml p/gal Humic acid beginning of rest cycle. (3 months)

ACT derived from 4 gal water,
1 cup Molasses,
1 cup EWC,
2 cups Activated Compost,
2 Tbsp Alfalfa Meal,
1 Tbsp Bat Guano.
…dry ingredients held in nylon sock, aerated continuously.

Nutrients are FF tri-pack, and 10 ml p/gal Botanicare BlastOff. Watered and fed on rotation, FF, Water w/Molasses (5 ml p/gal), ACT, Plain Water.

Von Forne hey man, thanx for looking in! yeah the milk cartons were an experiment. I learned that my mix don't last past 1 month.

mad librettist, wow! so do I! trying to nail it down now. I do tend to brew my tea more than 24 hrs. Will reverse that pronto! Thanx.

CaptCheese1, Hey bro. I'll be tending to that in the AM, thanx for stopping by.

TACOE, hey man...yeah, brittle, dry, yellowing. Soil is recycled so it may have a build-up. Thanx for your observation.

BongRipkenJR...karmas wheel! Peace.

 

[vonforne]

If you want to keep the square containers.....zip down to the Dollar store and buy the square trash cans. Drill some holes and you are good to go. They cost me back in 2006 about 1.50 each. They are space savers.

V

 

[tr1ck_]

I think you are using too much molasses, although I doubt that is what is causing the curling. Most people say 1tsp per gallon for tea, you are using 12x that much.

 

[guest2012y]

Molasses feeds microbes,they multiply,which then increases nutrient cycling...
The "claw" IME is from an unbalanced soil,or high amounts of nitrogen amendments....most likely a combination of both.
I also don't use blood because it does burn. Some people don't have problems with it,but I'm noticing that every time one of these "curling leaf" type threads pops up I always see blood as part of the soil mix. Blood is a rapid release form of N,and if the soil isn't equipped with a healthy population of microbes and humates to handle this,ya' gonna' burn.
I'd ditch the blood in favor of a more steadily released form of N throughout the cycle. This is why I like bat guano. The overall solution ATM...more EWC

 

[mad librettist]

my turn to cry...

I think you are using too much molasses, although I doubt that is what is causing the curling. Most people say 1tsp per gallon for tea, you are using 12x that much.

not sure what you mean tr1ck? he is using 5ml to 1 gal water. that's pretty much a teaspoon.

didn't run the numbers in his act, but that takes a good amount of blackstrap.

 

[tr1ck_]

not sure what you mean tr1ck? he is using 5ml to 1 gal water. that's pretty much a teaspoon.

didn't run the numbers in his act, but that takes a good amount of blackstrap.

That is during his plain watering, I am talking about in his AACT recipe:

ACT derived from 4 gal water,
1 cup Molasses, (this is 12tsp/gallon)
1 cup EWC,
2 cups Activated Compost,
2 Tbsp Alfalfa Meal,
1 Tbsp Bat Guano.

I never put anywhere near the same volume of molasses as I do EWC. I am a noob, but I read many threads about AACT and I am pretty sure none of them recommended anywhere near this high of a molasses dose. Please forgive me if I am wrong though, like I mentioned I'm a noob