Think's QWISO

[Think Green]

Ran my first batch of qw last night. Found it quite oily. I thought I may share a few pics!

werd

TG

 

[dingbat]

looking pretty green. have you considered a faster wash. check out my forum on honey qwiso.

 

[Lazyman]

Bake our trim at 200*f first til crispy, and always use frozen alcohol. Room temp alcohol is terrible, pulls out chlorophyll like crazy.

 

[dingbat]

what does the baking the trim do lazyman? i am always looking for ways to better my techniques

 

[Lazyman]

Baking the trim locks up the water soluble stuff better in the plant tissue, making it harder to wash out. it also helps because you're decarbing the raw material, then washing it. I get WAY better color with baked trim than without, all amber and more of it. Chlorophyll and sugars get converted into a more "cured" format so i think the taste is improved as well. Good stuff!

 

[Think Green]

Werd. Thanks for the advice guys. Like I said, this was my first run on a whim, so I am hoping to improve the finished product as I refine my techniques. So bring any advice to help old' Think!


TG

 

[Anything]

I'm with the other guys Think, I've made about 15 batches in the last 3-4 weeks using all kinds of methods all over these and other boards...

Freeze the trim, and alcohol, use them both while just out of the freezer...and wash quicker. I snuggled in right around 20-30 sec washes of light agitation, not violent shaking, with non ground up trim/buds.

My finished product was very clean tasty amber.

 

[madback]

I've never tried baking the trim, sounds interesting...

But, this run I did do an experiment, which was:

wash frozen trim, with 500ml frozen alcohol for 5-10 seconds, in a 10 liter rubbermaid. Then the leaves got washed with about the same amount of cold water to wash off the alcohol from the plant matter.
The end product came out not as an oily sap like I was expecting, but more of a gooey paste.. I'll snap some pics later...

 

[jump117]

Baking the trim at 200F till crispy is not enough for decarboxylation.

 

[Lazyman]

No I know, I will heat the finished oil to 275*F for about 7 minutes to decarb it though.

 

[rastaidd]

great work man!!!

 

[dingbat]

Baking the trim locks up the water soluble stuff better in the plant tissue, making it harder to wash out. it also helps because you're decarbing the raw material, then washing it. I get WAY better color with baked trim than without, all amber and more of it. Chlorophyll and sugars get converted into a more "cured" format so i think the taste is improved as well. Good stuff!

I will give it a try, thanks dude!

 

[Think Green]

Just thought I'd drop in and say....nothing but good reviews on the iso. Get's the job done right. As easy as it is to make, I could see myself becoming an oil head really easily...

TG

 

[jump117]

Bake our trim at 200*f first til crispy.

Baking the trim locks up the water soluble stuff better in the plant tissue, making it harder to wash out.
it also helps because you're decarbing the raw material, then washing it.
Chlorophyll and sugars get converted into a more "cured" format so i think the taste is improved as well.

I doubt the validity of these claims because I do not find any logical justification, no confirmation of the practice.

Drying allows access of solvent to dissolve the unwanted inner fats, which contaminate the extract.
200F also removes terpenes, that does not improve the taste.

Freeze water in plant cells blocks the penetration of the solvent to polluting fats.

 

[Billy Bones]

Freeze water in plant cells blocks the penetration of the solvent to polluting fats.

Nice thoughts! Keep the good work!

 

[Lazyman]

I doubt the validity of these claims because I do not find any logical justification, no confirmation of the practice.

Drying allows access of solvent to dissolve the unwanted inner fats, which contaminate the extract.
200F also removes terpenes, that does not improve the taste.

Freeze water in plant cells blocks the penetration of the solvent to polluting fats.

So dessicating tissue doesn't concentrate and condense the solids within, with the water removed? That's basic molecular biology. Since I don't want to extract anything but the ends of the capitate-stalked trichomes, and I have proven that washing fresh frozen trim makes solvent solutions VERY green given the same temp/type of solvent and duration, how is that not logical or justified?

I have tried many methods and solvents, different durations, temps, and trim prep. Baking the trim beforehand gives me the best results by far. I have also done separations by letting a gallon of wash sit in the freezer for several days, and have found very small amounts of lipids at the bottom after that time. So little that I decided that step was unnecessary (a couple tablespoons in 1 gallon of solvent.)

So far I've done just about every conceivable combination of the following:

Fresh frozen trim
Room temp dried/cured trim
Baked trim

Hot ISO
Frozen ISO
Room temp ISO

Hot denatured alcohol
Frozen Denatured alcohol
Room temp denatured alcohol

Room temp acetone
Frozen Acetone

The frozen denatured alcohol works best in my opinion as it has no water content. Why would you want any water-soluble compounds in the wash? Baked trim has the best yields and best wash color BY FAR compared to the other methods. I can only extrapolate that this is from dessicating the raw material and locking up the chlorophyll and other undesirable water-soluble compounds in the dried plant tissue.

If you haven't done it yourself that's fine, but to tell me its untrue, or that my oil doesn't taste better as a result is being deliberately obtuse. You don't know it for a fact, even if it is subjective or a matter of opinion.

I respect your work, but find much lacking in your attitude.

You have something against me or my process then I'm happy to debate it. I have made many pounds of very high quality oil, have had it field AND lab tested, and have nothing but excellent results.

If you don't want to do it, that's fine. Do it your way and I'll do it mine. If you can think of a way I haven't tried it that will yield better results, I'm all ears.

 

[jump117]

Of course, I have absolutely nothing against you, what an absurd suggestion?
On the contrary, I respect your practice, read your messages, and analyze the reading.

I can not say that I have always liked what I read.
I protested against meth, as not suitable for use in an apartment house.
I was very embarrassed by your practice of evaporation in the oven, and then life itself has made adjustments.

Please do not find much lacking in my attitude when I challenge your assertions on the technology of extraction,
I hope that this is the usual constructive debate, the truth hunting, where is no room for personal relationships.
We both want to do the job better.

Just like you, I only use the results of my own experiments and observations in my statements.
To be sure I repeat the experiment several times and if I always get the same result, I believe its true,
about which I can speak with confidence.
It is strange and sad that my conclusions differ from yours.

 

[Think Green]

Was just reading through the thread again and noticed someone said try a faster wash. The wash was 15 seconds, quart mason jars. 2 runs, 1 oz. each wash. Is 15 sec. too long? I've heard 20s...

TG

 

[Lazyman]

What temp was your alcohol, and was the trim dry or wet? I do about 60 seconds with frozen iso and get little to no green.

 

[Greenstar420]

Hey guys just curious would the qwiso method be a good way to run multiple #'s of sugar leaf to make oil? Any pro's/ cons when compared to butane oil?