Safer 3 in 1 on seedlings

[TruthOrLie]

Have some young seedlings (less than 4 sets of leaves) that were being pestered by some flies so I sprayed them with Safer 3 in 1. Now I see some coloring... like wilting, maybe? Kinda browning on the edges of the leaves.

Are the seedlings going to make it or did I do something to damage their ability to develop?

When is it okay to start using Safer on seedlings?

 

[TruthOrLie]

no one sprays the little ones?

 

[TruthOrLie]

ugh they're not looking good. the area where new growth shows is all brown and dried out looking. not recommending anyone use this stuff on little ones

 

[VerdantGreen]

seedlings can be sensitive to things like that

also putting them back under lights when still wet can damage plants

VG

 

[TruthOrLie]

damage i can handle... will they survive and continue to flourish given time?

they look finished

 

[TruthOrLie]

Here are some pictures...

Here are some pictures...

The first one is of some really great stuff I found 7 seeds in a half ounce. This was the fattest healthiest looking seed which I planted. Now I'm going nuts thinking I've damaged it beyond survival.

Here is some of the other ones I popped way too many thinking only a few would germinate. I have over 500 of these Snowcap X OG seeds. Not too stressed if they don't make it. Just happy they germinated.

The damage didn't come out as clear in the pictures, but basically the region of new growth looks badly browned/burned.

I sprayed them because I didn't want PM to develop from where the flies were sucking at them... now I'm thinking I should have waited.

They don't look half as healthy or vigorous as they did before the spray.

Someone tell me they'll be fine, please.

 

[CannabisFox]

I thought those sprays are not for seedlings but for clones only!
I recommend to wash the leaves with water(as they look quite dirty) and wait.....


good luck

 

[TruthOrLie]

they were perfect until I sprayed them... I figure that residue keeps the flies away.

it says on the bottle "not recommended for newly planted cuttings"

they're newly planted, but not cuttings.

i know ive damaged them, but does it look like they'll eventually recover?

nobody has made this same mistake?

 

[TEERCSIdbREEDER]

never used any spray on seedlings but from your pictures they lookd like they will recover. remeber these are "weeds" were growing here, most can take some abuse.

like someone else recommended i would spray the hell of out the leaves with a mist bottle and clean those leaves. cleaner leaves make for better photosynthesis and in turn will result in a healthier plant.

seems like your doing ok. good luck!

 

[TruthOrLie]

well you give me hope, will update in a few days

 

[Stress_test]

Hey guys.

I have used Safer on seedlings before with no ill effects. But that doesn't mean it didn't cause some issue for yours tho.

However, that lil plant sure looks like it's been over watered or the Ph is out of the 5-7 safe zone.

That looks like Perlite? Check your roots and the Ph of your runoff first. It could be that Safer has an adverse effect on roots?

If I'm correct your Ph is gonna be pretty low and the root zone isn't ever drying out quite enough and is causing an early lock-out. "IF" I'm correct: You should be able to carefully rinse the medium from the roots with distilled water, (maybe even dip rinse the tops) and re-pot in fresh damp medium and they will pull out in a couple days.

Keep in mind that baby plants can't handle the intense light, so they are especially sensitive when their leaves are wet. So if you dip em, keep em in low light until after they dry off. Even then I never give em full light until they have several nodes.

Only other thing I can suggest checking the temperature at the roots. Low temps or large differences between warm and cold can also cause symptoms like your plants.

OH Crud!

EDIT:
I re-read the OP... I had thought I read "fleas"... It said "flies"...

Those were very probably thrips. Too bad you didn't identify them.
Anyway, thrips do also cause the damage your pics show. Thrips also effect the root zone.

So I would still follow the suggestions I gave above and look the roots and medium over carefully with a magnifier and make sure they aren't harboring any pests.

 

[hippydan]

I'm no expert but from your pictures I'd be willing to wager they'll survive, just give them some tender love and care. I'll be hoping for the best and sending some good vibes your way!

 

[TruthOrLie]

The little one was a little bit over watered.

I'm almost 100% sure they were not thrips... those white marks on the leaves are sulfur deposits, I think.

Now you have me wondering if Safer dripped into the root zone and cause some sort of PH issue.

Maybe going fishing in the dirt under the perlite will be best.

I really think if they are going to make it at all I should just leave them be at this point.

I'm waiting for just one little sign of new growth from one of the 10 seedlings before I do any survival experiments.

Still not looking too good over here.

 

[headiez247]

they dont like it but they will survive.

 

[TruthOrLie]

they look really terrible, but I'm beginning to see new growth. I think they will make it. Most of them, at least.

 

[TruthOrLie]

Photo Updates - Recovery - Week 1

Photo Updates - Recovery - Week 1

I'm noticing some burning on a larger plant I sprayed. Guess I just didn't let them dry off enough before lights back on. They're troopers though.

Someone want to tell me why the seedlings I planted in the large pots want to be runts and the seedlings I planted in the little cups want to be the faster growers?

this one not looking too good

Also, not nearly as many flies, but still some. Should I spray them again in a week or what's the best plan of action from here?

 

[VerdantGreen]

probably because it's very easy for the soil to stay too wet with a little plant in a large pot

 

[TruthOrLie]

hmm... all watered same amount, and the cups have no drainage like the big pots

maybe ill jostle up the soil a little bit in the bigger pots

 

[Stress_test]

Have some young seedlings (less than 4 sets of leaves) that were being pestered by some flies so I sprayed them with Safer 3 in 1. Now I see some coloring... like wilting, maybe? Kinda browning on the edges of the leaves.

Are the seedlings going to make it or did I do something to damage their ability to develop?

When is it okay to start using Safer on seedlings?

Wow Bud! I'm at a loss now.
After looking at your new pics (good pics btw) it's looking more like TMV.
Do you smoke tobacco?
If not I guess TMV could be transmitted by thrips or other pests....? I have questioned in the past if TMV and other plant virus could be carried by bugs and pests or even pets.

Here is what I know from experience.
Once I bought some really nice clones and got a mite infestation cause I didn't quarantine em. Anyway I fought those bastards for 3 weeks on a batch of 30 clones I had promised to a dispensary. I hadn't expected the extra expense of fighting mites so I had spent my spare cash that month on the clones, so I sprayed em with dishsoap/water twice in 2 days. Bout a week later I spotted the fuckers again; this time I made a tea from jalapenos, cloves and cinnamon. So I finally get the $ and go get some neem oil and spray em all down.
About 8 of the 30 new clones became infected with TMV and were stunted by about 3 weeks and then exploded and passed the others so dramatically that I had to substitute 8 smaller plants cause the first 8 were too big and full to transport with the others and I would have had to make 2 trips for delivery.

If those pull out of it and start new growth, this might actually be "good stress" for em so young.

But one reason I am seriously suspecting TMV is the dis-figuration, pinched look of the damaged areas. I am curious about the areas on the adult plant/s you mentioned that look burned? Oddly, light or heat burn is the first suspicion many growers get in the early stages of TMV infection.

For your sake I hope my suspicion is wrong cause if it is TMV there is no way I have heard of to eliminate it completely. Near perfect conditions will usually suppress it though, and it may never appear again unless the plants get over stressed.

On my plants, I couldn't feed or water them on any kind of schedule together, each plant grew at it's own pace. Slowly until all of the old, effected and deformed vegetation died off and was replaced with new growth. Then they went ape-shit and never had any problems.
They finished about 4 weeks late but produced huge yields that were way frostier and potent than usual.

 

[TruthOrLie]

I don't think TMV unless it was transmitted by the spray. They were going along just fine until I sprayed em. Bugs hardly phased them.