please help to save my sick plants, part II (TMV ?)

[plumbum]

Hi, i am back here for help to identify my continuously going on problem.. it happens every time for last 8 month with any strain.. i see same identical symptoms on new replanted clones.. they get some kind of leaf deformation, stunted growth and are not developing healthy.. i try everything to overcome it with foliar feedings and different ways to boost immune system and usually they bounce back in two three weeks.. but i still get diminished yields.. i really would love to figure out what’s actually happening.. I am starting to believe that it’s might be some sort of virus, TMV for example.. but hopefully I am wrong.. i continuously have some springtails, but I’ve been using hypoaspis miles to fight it.. any ideas or advice is greatly appreciated.

here is the link to my previous post.. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=204383
I’ve had similar problems, it was exaggerated with low temperatures.. plants bounced back..

here is the questionary and pictures

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How long has this problem been going on? - last 8 month i see similar symptoms

What STRAIN are you growing? - fire OG/Sour Diesel and any other strain i run

What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) - clone

What is the age of your plants? - 3 weeks from taking clones..

How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now? - 4 days repoted to #3 Smart Pot

Were they in the same mixture when they were seedlings/smaller plant? If not, what mixture were they in before? -rockwool

How Tall are the plants? - 3"

What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? - veg

What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) - scrog

What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot) - 3 Gal Smart Pot

What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) - canna coco + perlite 60%/40%

What brand Nutrient's are you using? - 3 part Cutting Edge Solutions

How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* - Cutting Edge Solutions - Micro 8ml/G, Bloom 5ml/G, Grow 15ml/G ratio diluted to 650ppm + Liquid Karma 5ml/G, root excel 1ml/g, 1 drop/g superthrive .. when i take clones i soak roakwool cubes in 2ml/g superthrive + 2ml/g hygrozyme + 400ppm of supernatural rockwool soak

How often are you feeding? - just fed once, they don't need anything yet..

If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients? - N/A - but, usually - 2nd week in flower

What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect) - Micro, Bloom, Grow, LKarma,

What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? - 700ppm/1.1 EC

What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? - not sure

How often are you testing pH/ppm/EC/TDS? - before every feed

What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? - oakton PH pen

How often are you watering? - as needed

When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? - 4 days ago (fed once)

What size bulb are you using? - 600W MH Sunmaster Cool Delux switched down to 400W

How old is your bulbs? - new

What is the distance to the canopy? - 3 feet (moved from floros to MH bulbs)

What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) - 63%

What is the canopy temperature? - 78F

What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) - 78F - 72F = 6F

What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) - passive intake, 6" Ellicent Fan is out- take, dialed down around 50%, since it's called out

Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ? - exhaust running constantly, controlled with dimmer

Is the fan blowing directly at plants? - yes

Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? - yes

Is your water HARD or SOFT? - filtered through smail boy, 40 ppm

What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? - tap, filtered

If using tap water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS of the water right out of the tap?(Only if you have a tds pen) - 200ppm

If using RO,Distilled,mineral water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS without any additives?(Only if you have a tds pen) -N/A

Are you using water from a water softener? - No

Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? - No

Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? - None

Are plant's infected with pest's? - None visible

 

[plumbum]

the leaf deformation is progressing, at this point 20% of total plants showing it.. does anybody have an idea what might be the cause???

 

[plumbum]

i'm still having the same problem and really would appreciate some help.. it's all over again.. i just found strange looking bug behind fallen tiles in the bathroom, i've seen few of them on the plants too.. on the stem and on top of coco.. any idea what is it and how to kill it?? i am sure this sucker is responsible for all problems i have! here is the picture


and here how plant looks 11 days in veg

 

[leaf19]

really? no help? this site was really useful a few years ago..looks like it went to @#% sorry I can't help.

 

[plumbum]

leaf19 thanks for support.. i am surprised myself.. ;(

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Well your mystery creature sure looks like an insect , and those two dark eyes are quite prominent. I searched Google Images for "springtails". A lot of the photos looked like your critter.

Can't say why your plants are doing so poorly. But since it might be a virus there is the question as to how it spread so readily. How are you watering? ... individually by hand? ... reservoir drain to waste? ... recirculating reservoir system? Did the plants do worse when switched from fluorescent to metal halide? Are you taking your own cuttings or getting your clones from somewhere else?

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Guess you answered some questions with your post from five weeks ago.

"... it happens to every strain i bring in from different sources, or from clones taken by me."

"...clones look happy and then later on even before replanting all the sudden they start to look sick."

"...all plants were thrown away, room was disinfected with bleach and i am starting from scratch.. no visible bugs on this vegging plants, there are few spring tails on mother plants that are in the same room..."​

 

[mintz]

cut all down,clean every thing proper and start from the very begining from seed(i mean clean every ml of your grow space)

 

[plumbum]

thank you guys for advice.. i've done cleaning before, but it seems that i didn't kill their nest.. im going to do it again.. seems like that is the only choice..

 

[RetroGrow]

Have you checked your roots for root aphids? Difficult to see. You will need a loupe.
If it is a disease, it's probably spore based. Very difficult to get spores out of your environment. You may not be able to cure it, but aspirin will boost the plants immune system enough so that you can still get a normal harvest. 325 mg of plain generic aspirin per gallon of water has saved my plants on several occasions. This really works, and you will see improvement within 48 hours if it's disease.

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

RetroGrow mentioned the aspirin. Try and get an air filter.

http://www.instawares.com/enviracai...s_cseid=GSHP&gclid=COL7v-ij_KcCFQImbAod-hwWsA

Something like that. I see them on craigslist for $50 all the time.

 

[plumbum]

thank you all for advice -
RetroGrow - i don't see any root aphids.. at this point im convinced that most likely springtails are spreading some kind of disease.. i've been actually given them aspirin based on your advice i've read at some other thread.. by the way.. how often do you recommend doing it? could i just mix it in my reservoir and give it for let's say three or four consecutive waterings? basically - can i overdo it?? it seems that aspirin helps..

BongRipkenJR. - that fan looks good.. i will definitely try to find one..