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[SexInTheCity]

Well, I don't usually start threads but I got pretty crappy news and am trying to think of a plan and need the great minds of ICMAG....What do you guys think of veging clones for around a month or two (keeping them small and strong) and then planting them outdoor as late as July 15th in Newark, Ontario? Will this be enough time to create monsters and will the veg makeup for the lost outdoor time and late plant? Thanks for your input and I hope all plans go well for every single person here...

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

You'll get different opinions Sex. MY opinion is that the whole plan sounds doable, although i feel many of your hopes, (monster status, finishing before bad weather in Ontario) are totally dependent upon strain choice.

For example, if you plant Deep Chunk which is like the slowest growing cannabis plant on the planet, you will meet sept with a 4' plant 4 ozs of smoke on it, (maybe). If you plant texada timewarp, (which was bred in/for canada,BC), it will be at 3 meters tall with a lb of smoke on it. Big difference. Your dreams rest on the genetic capacity for vigor of the strain you choose, sexinthecity.....or at least thats the way i see it.

 

[SexInTheCity]

Thanks D.S....Anyl3ody else? I will have great genetics with good clones... Do you guys think a 40-80 day veg will makeup for a 30-40 day late planting? Hopefully weather will be on my side....please help!

 

[hamstring]

Why do you have to veg them for 2 months??

A fully rooted clone with some new growth colud easily be put in the ground. I may be wrong but I think your resulting palnts are going to be larger if you plant them earlier rather than veg indoors for two months.

 

[SexInTheCity]

Thats the problem, I can't plant on time...(June 1st - 15th) here in Ontario, I can only plant around half way through July......Im wondering if I veg indoors 30-60 days will it makeup for the late planting (around 30days late)...thanks for all input.

 

[dubwise]

If possible, you may want to harden them off for a few days before the actual transplant. This seems to help me out when I'm bringing something outside that's been inside. I think it would work as long as the weather holds up.

 

[Leroy Brown]

I'm curious what the more experienced growers think about this, I've yet to grow from clone, my first batch is rooting as we speak.

I think, given whatever your circumstances of why you can't plant them until that late, that you might have better results cutting them down & putting out more clones. IE instead of putting out 10 larger 2-month vegged plants, cut them down into 100 clones a few weeks before & put out 1,000 mini's.

 

[Smoking Gun]

SITC, your idea is fine, plenty of gardeners veg their plants inside and then move them outdoors. About a month before you want to put them outdoors full time give them some time outdoors while still in veg. Start at about an hour outdoors and give them a bit more time outside every week. This will help them acclimate to the change easier.

Also if you are looking for trees at the end of your grow you will not end up with any, this is not to say you will have poor yields from your plants. If you train your plants while indoors you will still have plenty of budding sites on your plants when you put them outdoors to give good yields. If your goal is to grow multi-pound plants you will probably not achieve this goal, but you will still have some nice results.

 

[hamstring]

I have planted as late as the 3rd week in July. I put 12 inch seedlings in and ended up with 3-3.5 foot plants. With well veged clonse yours could easily be 3.5x 3.5 plants and depending on the strain you could harvest up to a 4 ozs per plant (many variables just a guess)The idea is sound but as others have said monster trees will not happen.

Like others have said put more plants in the same area to increase the yeild. The nice thing about planting late is you have missed the spring and summer floods caused by heavy rain fall and since the plants are smaller they hide much more easily.

Nothing wrong

 

[SexInTheCity]

Hmm..wow I was getting worried no one was answering...never underestimate ICMAG, lots of fimiliar faces here...Im a long time lurker....anyways...to the subject...hardening of is probably improtant although I didn't notice much problems last year, I will maybe try HPS or MH instead of using floros, Im more concerned with achieving a high yielding plant ... I will be working with a good clone, vigorous/strong/good yeild/potent in 100L soil (Outdoor pot/container) of a nice mix just copy Aero's mix, or Rez, or some other ... will be using store bought very nice airy organic soil as a base though most likely....so great soil, alot of rootspace (100L pot) but the major problem is planting around a 30-45 days LATER than usual planting time here (Ontario...June 1st last freeze can come in late May I think though.) If I veg a plant + LST and it already has maybe a 0.5L - 2L rootspace that is alot of roots ready to explode..) With good weather and even better water/nute's will I be able to achieve 1# plus? It seems possible....anything else anyone can add? Also..if anyone got any thoughts on this...any problems with leaving store bought soil (bags) outside? bugs infestation?......Sorry for not so much description before since other people are interested in this I hope more can be said since most likely other people have this problem of only able to plant LATER than when they usually do. .. . .. . . . Peace!

 

[hamstring]

I am sure others will pop in but you can leave store bought soil outdoors no problem there. I would expect some animal disturbance digging etc but unless it contains a high amount of organic content (manure, blood meal) it should be minimal.

If I understood you correctly you are going to use containers and try to achieve "high yield" with late planting. Unless your approach is 200 gal containers I would go straight in the ground. Plants in the ground will ALMOST always out yield potted plants.

People who plant late season many times do it on purpose. There are guerillas out there that strictly grow late season minis because of the things I mentioned before. Less pest problems, security and extreme weather. Most understand yields are not going to be as high it’s a trade off. No such thing as a free ride,

“Gas, Grass or Ass no one rides for free”.

 

[FistedSister]

Will this be enough time to create monsters and will the veg makeup for the lost outd

Will this be enough time to create monsters and will the veg makeup for the lost outd

no way they'll be as big, they'll start flowering shortly after you put them out. you will get a nice stretch though.

what date does that clone show buds? i plant before solstice so my plants see some increasing daylight outdoors

 

[grimcreeper]

I once sprouted seeds in July and had a 5.5 foot tall plant by first week in October. This was topped once. Might have been the strain, it was from a mixed pack.

 

[SexInTheCity]

Sadly nothing I would be running is outdoor tested but they will be 45-60day indica, very very top notch clones.....here in Ontario, CANADA growing season is usually late may to june 1st depending on last frost ..budding in aug usually and harvest around sept....


Thanks everyone, Ham I understand a hole is good in many ways but I`m dealing with mountainous and very rocky conditions, and not enough time to dig holes. so I will be doing roughly 100L containers...or DIY smartpots....I also had animal problems digging and ripping bags lastyear just concerned abit with other problems...

GrimR, What containers or what size hole was it? What medium did you use?

Well I like the idea of planting before the longest day might help them alot, maybe a week before could help me alot, although I am risking running into other problems by having someone do it for me, since I won`t be back to from school in time....hence the thread ..

Well, I still think a lady vegged for 1 to 2 months its possible a very nice root system and strong plant ready to explode in a 100L container under nice sun and good weather and achieve atleast a half possible a pound with good watering and nutes and great weather throughout summer (prays) ......

however since some people have said it will never get to be huge I am starting to plan to get a friend to do it...it`s a hard decision though....the extra time is very valuable if I planted June 1st - 15 ... since I can`t do it though waiting to July 14th might be doable If I veg and LST and get them very strong and stout...I really want to be comfortable knowing I could get close to a pound which isn`t that much if you think about the leaf weight,stem weight and moisture.. . . ..

Also I wonder if since the plant will be smaller and less time to veg and extend roots planting late...will a 50l be fine instead apposed to 100L...I know the tap root would benefit alot going so deep any thoughts on this?

......Thanks everyone I got some serious thinking to do though....


Any other experience - theories - or opinions or ANYTING ELSE on this subject is welcome..thanks all.



SitC

 

[grimcreeper]

Medium was just homemade compost with bone meal and homemade worm castings mixed into the surrounding dirt. Two foot deep hole, 1 ft wide. Nothing else except for stinky compost/bone meal teas. I don't use bonemeal anymore because of digging animal problems with subsequent grows. None with this grow however. Twas a backyard grow and it recieved adequate water and nutes. It was one of my first successful grows, planted late because my Afghan guerilla grow was stopped very prematurely because of a security scare (still pulled smoke from it though). Got leaf spot but thrived anyway and I got a shat ton of more than decent bud from it. Backyard grows are much preferable to guerillla because of the care you can give them, but security is paramount.

 

[grimcreeper]

If you've vegged it for that long before planting, you should still pull a sizeable plant. I like in the ground because those roots can STRETTTTTTCH as much as they want, but you should pull plenty of bud. Don't expect Tom Hill size monster 10 ft tall and wide plants but you should get a respectable amount. Only one way to find out and that's to try it. What genetics are you looking at?

 

[grimcreeper]

Outdoors, I top or tie down or usuallly top AND tie down instead of LST, but your mileage may vary.

 

[SexInTheCity]

Yeah, I don`t mind topping..whatever happens happens the good thing is I will be camping on site watering everyday and improving LST, trimming and pest prevention...Hopefully I can get some holes in but most will be 100L containers I`think maybe some DIY smartpots but buying rubbermaids and drilling some holes is way easier...and they are sturdy and easily moved empty and full of soil....I don`t expect Tom Hill size for sure but than again I never underestmate these things ge huge when you least expect it...all I want is a pound thats not that much....the stains are Durban Poison (Hopefully), Blueberry, Connie Chung (possibly) and maybe some Purple Kush but I don`t really like purple strains since they stand out....all these cuts are very good...45-60 day...I agree only one way to find out.... Hopefully if I decide to plant as late as July 15...(45 days LATE) the vegged clones (strong, stout, LST`d in 0.5L - 2L) will makeup for that lost time.....even with a small amount of veg in the ideal conditions and great water and nutes I think it`s possible to reach around a pound...I have never done it this late though, so.....

 

[h.h.]

Last year I started under fluors in January and put them out in March with enough light difference to flower. May harvest. The next set I put out in April/May. They flowered and went back into veg. Lot of sugar leaf, not much bud. What I started in April/May went out in June, maybe quarter to half pounders in October. September to December as well. One set goes out while another one is started under lights. Flouros (6500k) are fine for the short indoor period until about 12 to 16" with a little supercropping. I try to move them out on the better days though it doesn't seem to make much difference at that size. Ones I didn't harden were fine when set out. Clones may be different as well as other strains. Last grow was blueberry X Williams. I have Tangerine Dream under lights now 2 weeks in and all seems well though not as vigorous as the blue