Drunk Moms, Stoned Sons

[ZEROorDIE]

@baba
lol you sound jealous that the people who like to get drunk can do so freely while you get persecuted for getting high.

i love both. im a happy drunk but i also like drinking to excess. people take life to seriously. im gonna live mine the way i want and you can do yours.

but just to be safe you should probably stay far away from bars and the northeast. that way you can be free of my drunken shenannigans.

 

[FistedSister]

fat moms

fat moms

im just sayin i've met quite a few angry overeaters...they are quick to judge because they don't perceive their fat suit as an addiction. yet they have quite a few rituals and secret behaviors themselves

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Lobbyists are as useful as electoral colleges.

I bet fat people sacrifice smores when they're angry.

 

[headband 707]

There are countless funny drunks.

There are countless funny potheads.

I'm not sure why there are so many narrow minded booze haters in our group of growers these days.

It seems to me that we used to be a lot more open minded and tolerance was a law we lived by.

I will be the first to admit that my tolerence for drunk ppl is very thin.. I try and remember that I don't mind getting loaded once in awhile just not all the time. I don't have much patients for drunks.. Or I would prefer not to be around a drunk.. Potheads don't seem to bother me as much but hey there are assholes everywhere you look... Ppl like that need help but not much I can do if they don't see it peace out Headband707

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I think there are more happy drunks than angry stoners in this thread... but not by much.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

You can throw your little jack off icon up there all you want...it is not me being a jackoff. I suggest you wait until some drunkard kills some of your family, or perhaps rapes one of your young daughters...then you tell me society has no business telling a drunkard what he can and can't do.

Now try that analogy with guns instead of alcohol. You know the mantra, "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

You can project a worse-case scenario but all you're reflecting is a black-white perspective. No degree or aspect, simply on or off. That's intolerance, pal.

With your reasoning and logic challenges, you're also suggesting that society can tell gun owners what to do. Truth is, we can. They just have to break the law first. You ride the freedom wagon when regulation applies to you. But you're no stranger to imposing your moral objections on those you disagree.

From all appearances, you have your own legacy of alcohol, even if it's in the past. Seeing other drinkers as irresponsible drunks is typical with tee teetotalers, on the wagon, high and dry, off the sauce, etc.

Just because pot has been put on the same shelf as drugs and chemicals doesn't mean that we need to tolerate things that are killing people each and every day for no good reason at all. No good reason. Name one fucking good reason that folks who get drunk and endanger others should be tolerated.
Bullfucking shit.

Now you've manufacturing your own, left-field aspect. Nobody advocates hurting others with the exception of your pseudo threat to segregate or else:

You get drunk all you want. I didn't say anything about you getting drunk. Bring it outside your yard, and I make it every fucking bit of my business.

The Constitution...please...
Tell what the founding fathers said about Drunkards and Mountain men. Get a grip and don't even try the Constitution route..you will come up short there. The Constitution guarantees our states to remedy such things as they see fit.

Until ol' Georgie boy Washington levied the first, federal alcohol tax. Forget drunkards and mountain men, our constitution depicts how to count 3/5ths of a human being. That's more than enough to drive tolerant people to drink.

You think drunk driving laws are draconian and should be taken away?

I doubt he does. Nothing he's posted so far justifies your blather. Far more reasonable to assume you're running out of gas and grasping at straws.

One good reason people can't be totally free to do what they want, is because it is in the very nature of man to bring misery and hurt to others.

Put your gun(s) in that equation. We're free to drink hoosier, it's legal. Only the narrowest of minds equate your apocalyptic scenarios.

Besides that...you damn betcha drunkards kill men and rape women...each and every damn day.

moral police.

Prohibition means you can purchase booze and legally drink it. Or at least the federal government can't stop you from buying it.
However they still control its sale and distribution.

Seek the definition of repeal. Collecting tax revenue is in no way a form of prohibition. We pay taxes on food and food ain't prohibited. Simply more free-market vs government, double-standard thinking.

And like I said, the minute you bring your drunken stuper outside of your yard, all bets are off and you are no longer protected by anything.

Yeah, you've said it four times. You're quite the vigilante but not so much a debater. Drunken stuper [sp] is the last gasp of a dying argument. If it ain't black and white, you'll force aspects from ether.

I do indeed hate people that drink and drive with no care for the health and well being of others.

Don't you realize you're making up your own argument as you go along. Apparently Mean isn't against taking a drink. But your narrow impulse muddies the clear point...

NOBODY IS ADVOCATING ANYTHING THAT WILL JEOPARDIZE A HAIR ON YOUR narrow POSTERIOR. Or anyone else for that matter.

Actually, I find it hard to hate anyone truly..but I can sure dislike the fuck out of these damaging people.

Do you hate uh... damaging gun owners? There's no such thing, right!?!

You go drink a barrel of it...but you get in public with your uncontrollable shit, or drive, and I can only hope it is just you that pays the price, and not some innocent other.

This is what happens when folks see the world through their own eyes only. No perspective.

How many times do you insist on cramming an argument that nobody here refutes? IMO, the little jack off icon belongs exactly where it was posted.

BTW...the founding fathers were perceptive enough to realize that drunkards and mountain men had absolutely no clue as to what the real issues of the day politically were, and that there votes were often bought for whiskey. This fact was precisely why the Electoral College was devised and put into place. We still have these same mountain men (the projects are full of them) and drunkards who have absolutely no clues to the issues, yet can effect the lives of each of us with their dubious votes.

Yeah, we've got lots of room for the NRA, the NRA lobby and gun toters, But there's not enough room on the hill for liquor interests and y'all drunks better stay in your yards.

I don't have one bit of problem with people imbibing in alcohol. I myself enjoy an occasional drink. But, I have also been on the side of things that I enjoyed more than an occasional drink.

You can command an argument but you can't demand one. Now here's a retort style you may personally recognize...

Name a single person in this thread who's countering your irresponsible-drinker argument. If you answered "none", you're correct.

I am guilty of the things that I lobby against, like driving drunk and being drunk and disorderly in public.

Drunk and disorderly, now we're getting somewhere. You might want to refrain from leaving your yard lest you have an epiphany.

I think that having first hand knowledge and experience gives me at least the right to voice my opinion. And you know what, I am spot fucking on right too...and you damn well know it.

Goes back to my teetotaler premise.

How many people were killed last year and their deaths could be directly attributed to cannabis use? How many?

hoosier, there are more non-killing, non-croaking drinkers than will ever be pot smokers. Who cares about a weed comparison? This is about you being intolerant toward those regarding matters you lost control of, yourself.

Now, how many people were killed, and how many of those victims families were torn apart from simply because people drank alcohol to excess?

I guess the reasonable thing is to acquiesce to your personal consumption legacy that spawned your opinion that drinkers are to be feared. Just kidding about the reasonable part.

Really...you don't have one bit of a good argument. I am not against the responsible use of alcohol..not one bit.

But you're here, comparing a drinker to a drunk, invoking rape and murder. Sounds pretty teetotaler to me.

And if you think that a drunkard that places others in danger is on the same level as I am, and compare his alcohol use to my cannabis use...you are simply making a loons argument.

pause for news flash...

YOU"RE MAKING UP YOUR OWN ARGUMENT. Does this make you a loon?

I ask you, is it OK for a person to drive drunk...especially when they can handle it better than most can and don't have lots of trouble? Do you think they should just do away with these draconian laws and let drinkers do what they will and be completely free?

Is your soapbox 4 wheel drive? Does your imagination take over where your argument stops?

I tell you...it really pisses me off when people try to equate alcohol with pot. Especially someone who should know better.

It's a free country, too bad your debate aspects are yours alone.

(the repeal of prohibition there dip...you know what I was talking about...sheesh)

Yep, I get the impression Mean knows you're unfamiliar with prohibition vs repeal. And Mean pegged another interesting side note, you dehumanize differences of opinion. Talk about intolerance.

 

[designer]

I am in no position to throw stones at anyone as I have had my problems from drinking and driving. I never caused an accident, but that is just plain luck and stopping it when I did.

One time I woke up in a jail and didn't even know how I got there. Some christian group got my vehicle out of impound for me and both the tires on one side were shredded and the rims were destroyed. That was 3 years ago and I have no idea what happened that night. I was out of control for a couple years.

A few months ago my son said about my slowing down on the drinking, "I feel like I got my dad back". It almost made me cry.

When I say "slow down" I mean I basically don't get drunk anymore and I go a month or two between drinks. Last drink I had was September I think. I joked about playing beer bong a couple weeks ago, but honestly I was the sober guy there not really drinking.

 

[Baba Ku]

I hope you can continue to find strength, designer. You have made the right decision.

Disco, your posts are so ridiculously fucking ignorant that they don't merit a reply.
What you should do is start reading threads that may help you learn to grow decent pot, instead of wasting time trolling each and every thread I enter into in a lame attempt to better the scoreboard. I understand that you have had your little feelings hurt and probably feel real embarrassed when I pointed out some of the ignorant shit you tried to lay on people...but do grow up.
lol...you couldn't tie my shoes, Jr.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

lol...you couldn't tie my shoes, Jr.

They don't make shoes for cloven hooves.

Did you write your congressmen and ask for a repeal of repealment yet?

 

[Baba Ku]

How many?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

As many as it takes to get such a terrible freedom off of the streets before it kills EVERYONE.

It makes men rape women and kill men.

What more do you need to put a stop to such a dangerous substance?

 

[compost]

Freedom for anything in america should be acceptable until it negatively affects others. To me that is one of the biggest reasons why pot should be legal. The home grower is almost no threat to cause adversity to those around you. Alcohol should be legal but it certainly DOES cause a ton of problems to people outside of the household and within.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

You don't want to hop on the ban wagon?

If we outlawed alcohol to legalize cannabis then people would still be going to jail... so the cops wouldn't have to lose their jobs.

Pot would be legal and we could lock up all of the drinkers instead!



"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
- Harry J. Anslinger

 

[Baba Ku]

Nobody here is advocating making booze illegal, nor locking up people who imbibe.
So, you keep making the fools argument.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Nobody here is advocating making booze illegal, nor locking up people who imbibe.
So, you keep making the fools argument.

Oh I see.

They are deserving of disrespect and intolerance, but not prison?

Thanks for the clarification... I thought they were a problem.

It is you who is arguing with me.

I pointed out that people are less tolerant and much more judgemental.

Then you posted about how they are not deserving of basic respect... and demanded me to give you reasons anyone should respect them.

You've had plenty of time for corrections and retractions.

Bathe in your bigotry but do not slander my intent.

I'm no fool.

 

[dansbuds]

Everybody has a point to their argument . everybody has had different experiences with alcohol related incidents in their lives .I for one have had ALOT more BAD experiences than many . which will cause me to see things the way i do . I know there are happy drinkers angry drinkers & social drinkers . But what i've seen on just about every single weekend in the last 20 some odd years makes me think that something HAS to be done about the violence & stupidity that alcohol creates . prohibition has been proven that it doesn't help . letting people decide for themselves "in my mind " doesn't help either . what the real solution is .... i have no idea . Myself .. i have removed myself from alcohol being in any part of my life whatsoever !!! my wife agrees , my kids respect that i don't want to see or have it anywhere near me . if they drink ... they stay away till they're sober . but at least they have enough common sense that if they're out drinking & have a problem ... they'll call me to come get them & i will ... but they also know they're going to get a lecture the next day about how its fucked up so many of their familys lives & do they really want that ?
i'm done with this thread as theres never going to be anything other than different opinions which will never be resolved . so have a great day guys , growem green & stay safe !!!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I hope you can continue to find strength, designer. You have made the right decision.

Moderation works for most.

Disco, your posts are so ridiculously fucking ignorant that they don't merit a reply.

So you'll drop the argument you can't win and get personal. Lol, backing yourself into corners is a legacy that few forget.

Kentucky DUI Fatalities Decrease By 59% Since 1982:

(From lawreader.com) - Statistics released by the US Dept. of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration shown a marked decline in DUI related deaths since 1982 both nationally and in Kentucky. In 2006 Kentucky had the 2nd. lowest per cent of DUI fatalities in the nation. (DUI fatalities vs. all traffic fatalities in state.)

Kentucky DUI statistics reported to the U.S. Department of Transportation regarding DUI fatalities defines “alcohol related death” as any traffic incident in which any person involved, including non-drivers were impaired.

Kentucky statistics do not report the number of cases in which the drunk driver was the cause of the collision or wreck vs. instances in which the impaired person was only a passenger, pedestrian, or bicyclist. The word “related” is used in the statistics. The investigating police officer makes the call if a collision was “alcohol related” and his accident report is the data from which the national statistics are compiled. These accident reports are not allowed to be introduced into evidence in Kentucky due to their unreliability.

http://news.lawreader.com/?p=2778

Weak Gun Laws, Gun Trafficking And Related Crime

(From wickedlocal.com) - The data concludes that just 10 states with weak gun laws account for nearly half — 49 percent — of the guns that crossed state lines before being recovered in crimes. These 10 states (Mississippi, West Virginia, Kentucky, Alaska, Alabama, South Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, Nevada and Georgia) that supplied crime guns at the highest rates each supplied them at a rate more than twice the national average. They also had the fewest number of key laws aimed at preventing gun trafficking.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/allston/...der-in-limiting-gun-trafficking#axzz1FwELT2EZ

Based on the data, your state is down with busting drunk drivers. That's cool. There's only one problem. If your friend, loved one or dog in the back seat is determined to be impaired, they're a statistic.

Based on the data, your state is down with distributing firearms. Your state's distribution of firearms is twice the national average. Gun trafficking accounts for almost half the nation's gun-related crimes.

No worries, hoosier. I can understand why you wouldn't touch something you either ignore or fail to comprehend.

What you should do is start reading threads that may help you learn to grow decent pot, instead of wasting time trolling each and every thread I enter into in a lame attempt to better the scoreboard.

There's no scoreboard hoodie. It imploded after your score reached dogmatic.

I understand that you have had your little feelings hurt and probably feel real embarrassed when I pointed out some of the ignorant shit you tried to lay on people...but do grow up.
lol...you couldn't tie my shoes, Jr.

Yep, I tipped a member to trim the back instead of the bottom in vert grows. You responded with old-school, horizontal growing tips. You've got a chess set and you're playing checkers.

So while you're checkering, check out the vertical thread. You'll see what I'm talking about. But there's a bright side. As soon as you get with the program, it'll be like your own idea.

In another episode, I remember telling you the ballast load was coming off your male plug. Same as having wall outlets with male plugs. Deadly.

But you justified your idea as safer than you accidentally plugging an HID bulb directly into a wall socket. An electrical supply could hook you up with dedicated plugs to eliminate the chances of that ever happening. Or, you could simply switch your existing male and female plugs.

In another episode, I posted pics of my grow. You knocked my pics, saying there were no buds. So I bet you yield-to-yield and you accepted. I got a quarter pound and you got 32 grams. You suggested you flip grows faster, making up the dif.

I attempted to tip you that the 1" plastic mat laying directly on your canopy would retard growth. You made another less than conventional excuse.

Don't mind me, I'm just humoring your detour de debate.

In another episode, you argued that ballast caps lower power bills. A retired electrical engineer painstakingly explained draw vs return in residential applications. For your 150 bulb, a cap won't lower your consumption or your power bill. The excess draw is returned.

You ceased your main point (savings) but not your subsequent rebuttals.

IMO, you advertise some pretty questionable info. Peeps engage you with information regarding your difficulties. While I've never seen you acknowledge, some of the arguments you once defended are now abandoned. But that's ok. As soon as you have the opportunity to digest the info, Ku convinces Ku it's Ku's idea. As long as you're getting it together, that's all that matters.

And don't worry about the fact you get 90% of the personal stuff started with private messages. So suggesting I'm trolling you is more projection.

 

[Baba Ku]

Moderation works for most.

So you'll drop the argument you can't win and get personal. Lol, backing yourself into corners is a legacy that few forget.

Kentucky DUI Fatalities Decrease By 59% Since 1982:

Weak Gun Laws, Gun Trafficking And Related Crime

Based on the data, your state is down with busting drunk drivers. That's cool. There's only one problem. If your friend, loved one or dog in the back seat is determined to be impaired, they're a statistic.

Based on the data, your state is down with distributing firearms. Your state's distribution of firearms is twice the national average. Gun trafficking accounts for almost half the nation's gun-related crimes.

No worries, hoosier. I can understand why you wouldn't touch something you either ignore or fail to comprehend.

There's no scoreboard hoodie. It imploded after your score reached dogmatic.

Yep, I tipped a member to trim the back instead of the bottom in vert grows. You responded with old-school, horizontal growing tips. You've got a chess set and you're playing checkers.

So while you're checkering, check out the vertical thread. You'll see what I'm talking about. But there's a bright side. As soon as you get with the program, it'll be like your own idea.

In another episode, I remember telling you the ballast load was coming off your male plug. Same as having wall outlets with male plugs. Deadly.

But you justified your idea as safer than you accidentally plugging an HID bulb directly into a wall socket. An electrical supply could hook you up with dedicated plugs to eliminate the chances of that ever happening. Or, you could simply switch your existing male and female plugs.

In another episode, I posted pics of my grow. You knocked my pics, saying there were no buds. So I bet you yield-to-yield and you accepted. I got a quarter pound and you got 32 grams. You suggested you flip grows faster, making up the dif.

I attempted to tip you that the 1" plastic mat laying directly on your canopy would retard growth. You made another less than conventional excuse.

Don't mind me, I'm just humoring your detour de debate.

In another episode, you argued that ballast caps lower power bills. A retired electrical engineer painstakingly explained draw vs return in residential applications. For your 150 bulb, a cap won't lower your consumption or your power bill. The excess draw is returned.

You ceased your main point (savings) but not your subsequent rebuttals.

IMO, you advertise some pretty questionable info. Peeps engage you with information regarding your difficulties. While I've never seen you acknowledge, some of the arguments you once defended are now abandoned. But that's ok. As soon as you have the opportunity to digest the info, Ku convinces Ku it's Ku's idea. As long as you're getting it together, that's all that matters.

And don't worry about the fact you get 90% of the personal stuff started with private messages. So suggesting I'm trolling you is more projection.

It is really fucking amazing how you can come to this thread with your personal vendetta against me. Here you are trying to list all the faults that you think I have made over the years here.
Lots of good people have been booted out of here for far less than you do on a daily basis, disco. You do realize that your above post indeed violates the TOU, yes?
Don't think so?.....keep it up and see.

I highly suggest you stick to the topics, and leave your personal vendetta at the door. You will only get embarrassed if you keep fucking with me.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

It is really fucking amazing how you can come to this thread with your personal vendetta against me.

You're not the signalman of others' vendettas. Lets consider all your private messages. You know, the ones you go to infinite lengths to express your superiority and my condemnation. The hilarious thing is your drive-bys are preemptive. I've matched wits with you many times. Apparently your preference ain't wit, it's confrontation.

Nobody's following you, Mr. Paranoid. We subscribe to threads and there you are, in all yer glory. For every post you leave, the bookmark refreshes. So it's an automated messaging system, not some imaginary adversary following your trail.

Here you are trying to list all the faults that you think I have made over the years here.

Yeah. You open a jar, complain when somebody reciprocates and then you project. Nothing new here.

Here's a hint, hoodie... don't go there.

Lots of good people have been booted out of here for far less than you do on a daily basis, disco.

Well I guess getting booted twice makes you great people.

You do realize that your above post indeed violates the TOU, yes?
Don't think so?.....keep it up and see.

Oh me. One of these days you'll be a mod and your prophecy will be fulfilled. Talk about violation, you'll can everybody in the joint.

I highly suggest you stick to the topics, and leave your personal vendetta at the door.

I'm pretty good at sticking to your topics and methods. As far as personal vendettas, I'd say over 300 private messages in 18 months is a compulsive vendetta. hoosier pops warned you not to blink when you talk smack. Apparently you weren't listening.

You will only get embarrassed if you keep fucking with me.

Is there a more dogmatic, hypocritical projector than **** **?

To be honest, I wasn't embarrassed when I posted one of your first hundred or so private messages. Didn't know it was TOU until afterward. Live and learn. But you were embarrassed enough to cry to a mod when I graced public pages with your scrawl. I don't blame you, it was the typical embarrassment you experience on a regular basis.

 

[Pseudo]

drunk moms, stoned sons...fascinating topic