If your from norcal, read this!

[smurfin'herb]

Im not going to get into detail here, but i have recently been freed up from all attachments where i am currently living. I want to move to northern california. Im hoping i can still get in on this outdoor season by finding somewhere to buy some semi-mature plants to start with once i get out there. I been looking on craigslist, and i could not believe how many people are renting land saying that they dont care what goes on as long as the money is up front for the year. They even have ones where its already got irrigation and planters ect "turn key" lol! So easy it seems...Could some of this be L-E-O?
I know all you hear about is mendocino, and humbolt, the whole emerald triangle and so on ect... What are these "popular" places like to grow in? Are they heavily monitored by chopper? If so, how many plants have to be there in order for them to even consider confiscating?

I know exactly what your thinking right now.."Oh great, just what we need, another sloppy inexperienced grower looking for a quick buck coming into our state flooding the market with sub-par weed." or something along those lines lol!
I know i havent been that active here latley, but I am not that person fellas. Check my albums, and my threads, I take this stuff seriously, and am a very accomplished grower, so please i ask you to not judge me. Ive been here a prettty long time.

So that aside, where would you reccomend that is cool place to live that is still in the scene up north? I would plan to just move there, rent a place, go rent land, get plants and go. No med cards, no papers, no nothing...the old fashioned way lol! Haters hate on me all you want ;-).

If you feel uncomfortable responding in the thread, feel free to send me pm's! Much appreciated.

 

[Midnight]

A lot of those people that are renting their land and don't care what you do are going to rip your plants off, count on it. And no offense, but we have enough people here already doing what you want.

 

[river rat01]

man fuck all those cali weed snobs that think their shit dont stink.

that market is oversaturated but think of it like this, if you wanted to open a pizza place and there were already 50 pizza places in town, do you think you would make it?

imo id say just find a cool place, stay low, be smart, and find a cool buyer in a weed friendly area.

if you have a good product, you will always have customers.

 

[Rysam]

Its getting tougher everyday to find a COUNTY that will let you grow OD much less a town or safe piece of property.
Where I'm at is considering a 800$+ garden fee and 50$ per plant on top of that. the kicker is, they only want to allow 1 plant on a 1 acre minimum. it goes up slowly from there.
Just north of us they are trying for a "dry" county it seems..


It isnt the mecca here (nor-cal in general), its getting to be fucked rapidly. More of a PITA than its worth sometimes..



edit..
I missed the no paperwork line.... dont come here please. we dont want you screwing up the little we legit people have.

 

[Zen Master]

so lemme get this straight, you wanna move to CA, grow illegally without a card in an extremely oversaturated market, outdoors no less.


why don't you go somewhere where the risk/reward is worth your troubles if you're gonna go that route?

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

Dude, unless it is your property expect to get ripped. Come out here, grow a lot and then be stuck with a shit load of product until it goes bad.

We have a lot of people that come over from out of state to try to cash in. It gets ridiculous. Even if you are a great grower where you are from, Humboldt, Mendocino, and Trinity locals might not be so welcoming. Not only that, you should be getting your soil ready now and already have clones you are vegging to put out there.

Make something happen in your own state? We got it covered here.

 

[darby crash]

Im not from nor cal, but have people who live there. I live in the midwest, but i like to go there for clones every once in a while. Nice place to visit, but I wouldnt wanna live there. Fuck that way too much $$$. Hard market to break in even if you got killer shit. You might be spending a lot of money on a losing gamble. Perhaps CO might be better bet.

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

Im not from nor cal, but have people who live there. I live in the midwest, but i like to go there for clones every once in a while. Nice place to visit, but I wouldnt wanna live there. Fuck that way too much $$$. Hard market to break in even if you got killer shit. You might be spending a lot of money on a losing gamble. Perhaps CO might be better bet.

I think you need to be a resident in CO for 2 years before you can become a med patient.

I have seen people come out from Florida and the Midwest and lose their ass. Dude from Florida had no idea how to grow in our climate and fucked his crop up before it went in the ground. Then the people from Florida that financed him came after him. Also, the feds raided him. This was all before May of last year. A dude also came and bought some property off of my dad so that he can grow. He was making payments on it but since he only got 2 pounds off of 50 plants he wasnt able to keep paying and he abandoned it.

 

[el dub]

Sounds like a crazy plan. Not sure why you have any desire to go play your game in somebody else's jungle.

Folks up there don't take kindly to part-timers. As stated above, if you don't live on the property with the plants, you WILL get ripped.

On the other hand, the feds would prolly leave you alone with anything under 99 plants. Mendocino county will let you have 25 to a patch. 99 in Humboldt.

lw

 

[Rainmaker]

If you have to ask about it....then the battle is all but lost for you my friend.

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

Oh shit, I didn't even see the no medical card thing. Thats how the Florida dude went to jail. He had not doctor recommendation. We all play by the rules, why can't you? Good luck finding plants without a rec as well.

 

[Lazyman]

Hell fucking no. So many guys are about to lose their asses cuz they grew shitloads of outdoor last year that nobody would buy, and 4 months later all their weed is going bad in their garage. If locals cant make it anymore you sure as hell can't.

 

[mrktwiz]

Please stay where you are we don't want anymore growers here, and you would not believe how CHEAP outdoor is going EVEN IF YOU CAN SELL IT. Every dispensary here in Santa Cruz WILL NOT even buy outdoor so good luck selling that boo unless you are "really" tied in with long term relationships and know where to get rid of it.

I figure I will be doing this about 3-5 more years and then it won't even be worth doing anymore, I just paid my $600 (per mos) electrical bill and I am trying to figure out if I am even going to make it this run after I give my patients their discounts.....I may have to start upping my prices to my little group of clients just to make my electrical bill.

 

[smurfin'herb]

Thanks for all the pm's and tips in the thread guys.

I wouldnt be getting rid of it in california. The main reason i want to go out there for a season is the fact that i can do patches of 25 or 99 plants and not really have to worry about anything except rippers. And if leo does come crashing in, then thats just the risk im willing to take. Whats the fine for 99 plants in humboldt as a first time offesne with a clean record..? A slap on the wrists..? lol I just wanna bang one big grow out, invest the money legitimately, and not have to worry about doing it on that type of scale ever again.

Weed is for everybody, not just people in California with medical cards for an ailment they dont have. If your doing it by the books, good for you, but im for complete legalization. Not medical, not decriminalization, straight up LEGAL! Why should i have to hide behind some false entity, pretending that its good enough for now? Its not! Im not going ask the state if its ok with them if i grow plants. Are you kidding me? The amount im planning on doing would definatley surpass a medical growers limit anyways, so whats the point in that? I know you dont want me cali folks, no need to keep saying it.

 

[MrDanky]

Im not going to get into detail here, but i have recently been freed up from all attachments where i am currently living. I want to move to northern california. Im hoping i can still get in on this outdoor season by finding somewhere to buy some semi-mature plants to start with once i get out there. I been looking on craigslist, and i could not believe how many people are renting land saying that they dont care what goes on as long as the money is up front for the year. They even have ones where its already got irrigation and planters ect "turn key" lol! So easy it seems...Could some of this be L-E-O?
I know all you hear about is mendocino, and humbolt, the whole emerald triangle and so on ect... What are these "popular" places like to grow in? Are they heavily monitored by chopper? If so, how many plants have to be there in order for them to even consider confiscating?

I know exactly what your thinking right now.."Oh great, just what we need, another sloppy inexperienced grower looking for a quick buck coming into our state flooding the market with sub-par weed." or something along those lines lol!
I know i havent been that active here latley, but I am not that person fellas. Check my albums, and my threads, I take this stuff seriously, and am a very accomplished grower, so please i ask you to not judge me. Ive been here a prettty long time.

So that aside, where would you reccomend that is cool place to live that is still in the scene up north? I would plan to just move there, rent a place, go rent land, get plants and go. No med cards, no papers, no nothing...the old fashioned way lol! Haters hate on me all you want ;-).

If you feel uncomfortable responding in the thread, feel free to send me pm's! Much appreciated.

Thanks for all the pm's and tips in the thread guys.

I wouldnt be getting rid of it in california. The main reason i want to go out there for a season is the fact that i can do patches of 25 or 99 plants and not really have to worry about anything except rippers. And if leo does come crashing in, then thats just the risk im willing to take. Whats the fine for 99 plants in humboldt as a first time offesne with a clean record..? A slap on the wrists..? lol I just wanna bang one big grow out, invest the money legitimately, and not have to worry about doing it on that type of scale ever again.

Weed is for everybody, not just people in California with medical cards for an ailment they dont have. If your doing it by the books, good for you, but im for complete legalization. Not medical, not decriminalization, straight up LEGAL! Why should i have to hide behind some false entity, pretending that its good enough for now? Its not! Im not going ask the state if its ok with them if i grow plants. Are you kidding me? The amount im planning on doing would definatley surpass a medical growers limit anyways, so whats the point in that? I know you dont want me cali folks, no need to keep saying it.

I think you will be A LOT better off doing it illegally where you live. It is not worth the headache of relocating. Your initial investment will be A TON! And the risk of taking it out of state? IS THAT WORTH IT? im sure crossing state lines with a controlled substance will not go over too well in the court room. LEO along the border of cali is well aware of people like you who are trying to get weed on the cheap and take it back to another state. california now is like mexico 15 years ago (before it was dangerous as fuck to cross)... people are going there, getting ganjah on the cheap, and tripling/quadrupling/quintupling their investments by offing it in ther homestate... not only are people driving there, but the guys who are growing it there are fetching a higher dollar by packing and shipping it off to states all over the nation via ups,fedx,usps... AND THEY ARE PULLING IT OFF...

Truthfully, if you are such a "professional" grower where you are now, why fix what is not broken? is it the quest for more money that drives you? if so, then you are getting into the concept of GREED, and we all know what GREED leads to... Pull it off in your own state, on your own grounds, in the environment that you know best! thats my vote. how about taking the money you would spend over in cali and put a downpayment on a nice house with some woods in the back? Do it right one good season and never have to do it again. i honestly feel that if you go to cali and plan on growing there, your biggest worry would not be rippers, or police knocking on your door - it would be transporting it out of the state... you do all that hard work, only to flush it down the toilet because you never thought about how easy it is for a cop in nevada, idaho, utah, arizona, oregon, or any of the other states to profile a vehicle with out of state plates... committing a driving violation or not, if they feel that you are their golden ticket, for WHATEVER reason, you can just kiss your ass goodbye


edit: i read through your post again and you seem to come off a little rash, and in need of a hug . That is NO GOOD. No good for your soul, and no good for the souls around you. You seem to be already set on doing this despite the advice you are given. A wise owl hears all before he flies...

Weed is for everybody, not just people in California with medical cards for an ailment they dont have

despite what you may believe, and how you may wish to tarnish the legitimacy of medical MMJ card holders, there ARE MORE LEGITIMATE card holders then there are illegitimate card holders...

Im not going ask the state if its ok with them if i grow plants. Are you kidding me?

well, heres one thing that Im not kidding you about - you can bet your nuts that the state is going to be out and about looking for violators. For as many plants as you plan on growing, they would have your ass zip tied in no time. why not just grow big plants tom hill style? numbers aren't everything. And if you plan on doing 99 tom hill style plants, then you better move to cali with some hard workers.

Whats the fine for 99 plants in humboldt as a first time offesne with a clean record. A slap on the wrists..? lol

have you looked into this? Im guessing it is a LOT more then a slap on the wrist. Especially if you are not a CA citizen. seems like there would be some issues with getting out of this ordeal with just a red rash on your hand...

im for complete legalization.

- Im surprised to hear that someone who is in the weed game for profit would say such a thing? the second the stuff becomes legal nationwide is the 2nd you might as well start growing soybeans or corn...


Stick to the state you live in and grow the way you have been growing! my words here are 100% not meant to be mean or "dickish," I just feel obligated to tell you how I feel about the situation..... since.... well.... you did ask didnt you?


oh wait... fuck.. i am not from norcal... my bad.... didnt mean to read your thread.........and to comment on it also? jeeze I am a bafooon...

 

[Yes4Prop215]

i have many friends doing outdoor this year and im doing a small plot in mendocino...il basically break it down in a nicer way, but still not encouraging.

most california counties are reversing their liberal laws on outdoor gardens. places like butte county where people used to run 99 plant gardens might have a tougher time next year.

the only places you can really grow is humbolt county (99 per script) and mendocino county (25 per residence with no papers, with papers up to 99)

the problem is, mendo and humbolt are the most expensive places in all of california. a 40 acre plot might run up to a half million dollars, not including a house/electricity/water, etc..... the most ideal situation, is to be on good terms with the "OG locals" and find someone like our friend. shes an old school mendo resident with 2 properties. shes living on one and has an extra 5 acre property to rent. shes renting it to me and my friend for an above market rate, she said we can only do 25 plants on the property to stay within legal limits. she gets a cut of what we grow too..straight cash in her pocket...If we go above 25 plants, you gotta pay the county a 1000 dollar cultivators fee, plus 50 per plant, plus have local LEO come and check on the garden.....which we arent gonna do.

i would love to just blow the place out with 50 200 gallon smartpots and call it a year, but life isnt fair and il take my 25 plants since its all i can get at the moment..and yes, it has crossed my mind that "what if she just takes it all"...but thats why my friend lives on the property the entire season from may to the last nug is trimmed...

your plan, (move to cali, grow big outdoors, smuggle east) is basically everybodys plan right now. people are trying to cash in and you cant blame them, and not surprised that the locals arent liking the change in environment. think about the risks real quick before you see all those dollar signs. what if you grow all that weed, only to loose it all the postal inspectors finding your shipment, or your runner gets pulled over in kansas on suspicion of drug smuggling, you loose your whole crop and your invesment. honestly you should just stay where you are and grow there. california aint all fun and games, you can still get raided, you can still end up in court, especially for growing without a medical permit AND smuggling interstate.

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

Thanks for all the pm's and tips in the thread guys.

I wouldnt be getting rid of it in california. The main reason i want to go out there for a season is the fact that i can do patches of 25 or 99 plants and not really have to worry about anything except rippers. And if leo does come crashing in, then thats just the risk im willing to take. Whats the fine for 99 plants in humboldt as a first time offesne with a clean record..? A slap on the wrists..? lol I just wanna bang one big grow out, invest the money legitimately, and not have to worry about doing it on that type of scale ever again.

Weed is for everybody, not just people in California with medical cards for an ailment they dont have. If your doing it by the books, good for you, but im for complete legalization. Not medical, not decriminalization, straight up LEGAL! Why should i have to hide behind some false entity, pretending that its good enough for now? Its not! Im not going ask the state if its ok with them if i grow plants. Are you kidding me? The amount im planning on doing would definatley surpass a medical growers limit anyways, so whats the point in that? I know you dont want me cali folks, no need to keep saying it.

25-99 plants isnt a slap on the wrist. If you don't have your scripts in order you will be going to federal prison bruh! They still have the DEA out here. They do helicopter flybys and look for the shiny silver emblem on the script. If they dont see those or see any scripts from the air, best believe they will be coming and knocking on your door. We are all being fairly nice about it. Wait until you get out in the hills and see what happens. They aren't going to send you an email. A lot of the hill folk that grow to support their families will be fairly pissed over some greedy out of towner taking the food out of there mouths. Just saying dude, this isn't a good idea and more than likely you will be eaten up by this area. 99 plants at 300 gallons of soil a plant. You are looking at around $350 per plant and then nutrients and other things. Who knows, maybe you have $100k to blow on starting late out here, but why risk it? I said my peace and if you come out here you will see why they call it the wild wild west. The people are the law in Trinity, Humboldt, and Mendocino until the DEA shows up.

 

[thingshappening]

Being scared of Norcal because it's "over-saturated" is completely retarded. Yes, in freakin' Humboldt it's over saturated. But you're not growing in Norcal to produce product for locals, for goodness sakes. You're growing in Norcal to minimize the possibility of arrest.

It's a big country....gas is expensive but not that bad. Half the freakin' county specializes in connecting weight-movers and growers. I say go for it. Haters gonna hate.

 

[Bud-Boy]

Last year was the "beginning of the end" for the rush out here. In many's opinion

Them choppers are gonna hit everyone this year. Land usage ordinances and county fees.
The free for all is tapering quickly. They have a way to collect now and they will sure put forward a great effort to collect.

Im happy with 18 trees myself, big farms are of the past here friends

 

[smurfin'herb]

Im not being greedy. The fact that that i want weed legalized proves this. I would be losing money, but still wouldnt care. If there was no risk in growing, i would be happy to supply ounces for 75 or 100 bucks. Thats why weed is so expensive, its risky! Yes i want to make a lot of money, but only so i can invest it legitimatley and have enough to support a family when the time comes. Life is short, and im not gonna waste 40 years of my life working a 9-5 job making less than 50k per year. I would be happy buying a turn-key buisness, paying people to run it and work for me, and in the meantime i can spend time with my family, learn about new things, go fishing and travel and still contribute to society. Life is too short to work as much as we do. Call me what you will, but im not that greedy money hungry person that i come off to be.

I really do appreciate all of your advice and comments. This may not have been the best idea after all.