Medical Cannabis Rehab?

[Dirt Nasty]

I've kicked a really bad Oxy habit with the herb. It made being drug sick tolerable and I worked every day through it.

I was wondering if this idea already exists and if it doesn't, why not?

 

[Stoner4Life]

well they treat heroin addiction w/methadone so the concept you've alluded to does exist but until cannabis is accepted as the true medical miracle it actually is we'll be whistlin' Dixie.......

 

[TickleMyBalls]

many studies show that certain psychoactive drugs do aid in helping conquer addiction. in the 60s psilocybin and lsd was given to addicts by psychiatrists and they reported a much higher recovery rate with a few controlled studies. the patients given psilocybin or lsd had a significantly higher success rate in kicking booze or heroin than the patients given a placebo.

but of course a place like this would never exist in our time. we live in a time where marijuana is classified in the same category as heroin, meth, cocaine and pcp. and many people that use drugs view marijuana as a drug and not medicine. so it would be a trigger for them to use more drugs, since they're already using a "drug"

 

[statusquo]

I've kicked a really bad Oxy habit with the herb. It made being drug sick tolerable and I worked every day through it.

I was wondering if this idea already exists and if it doesn't, why not?

I have been working on a business plan involving communal living and growing for intra-house medicinal purposes. Damn you for spreading this idea to the world lol.

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

I have had personal experience with cannabis saving me from the depths of a heavy habit of heroin and opana..yes the application does work, everyone's mileage will differ..personally an 1/8th to 5 grams a day of really good cali weed keeps all urges to use hard drugs at ease.

edit: I should also say I've had great results experimenting with LSD, magic mushrooms, Salvia, DMT, MDMA, MDA...all of these offer their own unique experiences and can allow you to access the real reasons behind your use of opiates...sometimes that introspection allows you to make real changes that would otherwise take a long time if ever to happen..I sometimes still like to get loaded on the hard stuff but I don't use it regularly, i'm not wrapped up in the life style, and I know that I want to be happy in life without being loaded as a goal. Having this as a contrast compared to previous years is just such a relief..no more fiending for the hardest drugs to find ever(oxymorphone)


Morphine And THC Combo Makes Super Painkiller
http://www.gearfuse.com/morphine-and-thc-combo-makes-super-painkiller/

Morphine relieves pain. THC gets you high as a kite. Combine them together and what do you get? A drug that relieves pain but also gets you high as a kite. Joseph Holtman and Peter Crooks at the University of Kentucky College of Medicine in Lexington, Kentucky have taken the initiative by working on a practical application further proving marijuana’s potential as a powerful medicine.
They’ve come up with a profound solution to decreasing morphine doses thus reducing risk of dependency and addiction. Their solution: put some weed in it. It turns out that the psychoactive drug in marijuana, THC, enhances the painkilling effects of opioids such as morphine. This is good news for those in pain for any number of reasons or hemp necklace wearing stoners who smoke the peace pipe.




Active Ingredient In Cannabis Eliminates Morphine Dependence In Rats

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090706090440.htm

ScienceDaily (July 15, 2009) — Injections of THC, the active principle of cannabis, eliminate dependence on opiates (morphine, heroin) in rats deprived of their mothers at birth. The findings could lead to therapeutic alternatives to existing substitution treatments.


In order to study psychiatric disorders, neurobiologists use animal models, especially maternal deprivation models. Depriving rats of their mothers for several hours a day after their birth leads to a lack of care and to early stress. The lack of care, which takes place during a period of intense neuronal development, is liable to cause lasting brain dysfunction.
The study was carried out by Valérie Daugé and her team at the Laboratory for Physiopathology of Diseases of the Central Nervous System (UPMC / CNRS / INSERM).
Valérie Daugé's team at the Laboratory for Physiopathology of Diseases of the Central Nervous System (UPMC / CNRS / Inserm) analyzed the effects of maternal deprivation combined with injections of tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, the main active principle in cannabis, on behavior with regard to opiates.
Previously, Daugé and her colleagues had shown that rats deprived of their mothers at birth become hypersensitive to the rewarding effect of morphine and heroin (substances belonging to the opiate family), and rapidly become dependent. In addition, there is a correlation between such behavioral disturbances linked to dependence, and hypoactivity of the enkephalinergic system, the endogenous opioid system.
To these rats, placed under stress from birth, the researchers intermittently administered increasingly high doses of THC (5 or 10 mg/kg) during the period corresponding to their adolescence (between 35 and 48 days after birth). By measuring their consumption of morphine in adulthood, they observed that, unlike results previously obtained, the rats no longer developed typical morphine-dependent behavior. Moreover, biochemical and molecular biological data corroborate these findings. In the striatum, a region of the brain involved in drug dependence, the production of endogenous enkephalins was restored under THC, whereas it diminished in rats stressed from birth which had not received THC.
Such animal models are validated for understanding the neurobiological and behavioral effects of postnatal conditions in humans. In this context, the findings point to the development of new treatments that could relieve withdrawal effects and suppress drug dependence.
The enkephalinergic system produces endogenous enkephalins, which are neurotransmitters that bind to the same receptors as opiates and inhibit pain messages to the brain.

 

[genkisan]

Anything that will take away cash flow from the EXTREMELY lucrative rehab insustry will NEVER be popularized or acceopted by the Corpo-Nazis who call the shots......just look at how they have treated ibogaine.....

 

[Weird]

alot of wharf rats here who found a lil hope in a handful of seeds

 

[Eatatjoes]

I think it's a great idea, thought of it before. Under the current laws in Cali it would have to be setup as a collective type arrangement though, so it would be difficult to market. And of course you would have the existing industry trying to shut you down, it would be best to have a lawyer help setup the plan so there aren't any legal holes in it.

I've also kicked pills using medical pot, I was so close to death it was a very difficult turnaround. Now I'm looking forward to life instead of just wishing I were dead.

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

high dose cannabis can definitely save your mind from opiates
start growing too, it brings it own zen with it

im sure if a cali collective started claiming to use pot to get off opiates you'd have problems...heroin and methadone and the pharma industry has A LOT! to lose if people catch on to how powerful cannabis is..

sadly with this quasi prohibition, the price of pot is still too expensive for people to use it the way it should be used...

if it were legal 5 grams a day wouldn't be so insane
if cannabis were allowed, we could even use BHO as a hand cream
its gonna take time but talking to people about it is a good start..

if you can dream and I can too

 

[Natural]

I started using vicodin/percocet/oxycontin/fentanyl/dilaudid/ect then switched to heroin once I was up to doing about 480mg (6 80mg oxycontin) a day, which I could not afford at 30 bucks a pill at least...
So I switched to heroin.*
I tried kicking my habit countless times, smoking tons of herb all day, anything I could do to get rid of the pains... I personally don't think cannabis is strong enough to make the symptoms tolerable...
Just my 2 cents...

But if it worked for you, I applaud you because I know how bad opiate withdrawal can be.*

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

I started using vicodin/percocet/oxycontin/fentanyl/dilaudid/ect then switched to heroin once I was up to doing about 480mg (6 80mg oxycontin) a day, which I could not afford at 30 bucks a pill at least...
So I switched to heroin.*
I tried kicking my habit countless times, smoking tons of herb all day, anything I could do to get rid of the pains... I personally don't think cannabis is strong enough to make the symptoms tolerable...
Just my 2 cents...

But if it worked for you, I applaud you because I know how bad opiate withdrawal can be.*

were you banging the pills or snorting/popping?
Heroin seems like a life saver at first to the pill junkie who can't afford his habit but that quickly changes. 6 80s is like 3 opanas, thats about the same habit I was at. Try a stronger weed, possibly some indica dominant kush type, and a lot of it..everyones mileage is different..for me its an 1/8 to 5 grams a day keeps the habit away

seriously dude, if you are on the west coast and are fn with that black tar, get the hell away from it, some of it is really weak some is ridiculously strong, I've lost friends to that stuff...even if you just smoke it, its still an opiate cocktail that will get you strung out and most people can't handle the physical let alone the mental that comes later...

grow weed? and lots of it...prayers for you man

 

[Eatatjoes]

I started using vicodin/percocet/oxycontin/fentanyl/dilaudid/ect then switched to heroin once I was up to doing about 480mg (6 80mg oxycontin) a day, which I could not afford at 30 bucks a pill at least...
So I switched to heroin.*
I tried kicking my habit countless times, smoking tons of herb all day, anything I could do to get rid of the pains... I personally don't think cannabis is strong enough to make the symptoms tolerable...
Just my 2 cents...

But if it worked for you, I applaud you because I know how bad opiate withdrawal can be.*

Edibles is what did it for me, I eat 4x brownies and smoke on top of it. Truly a lifesaver for me.

 

[Natural]

I'm on methadone now. I just simply could not kick the habit. And yeah I'm on the west coast and was shooting tar. As for the pills, I would shoot the dilaudids and fentanyl patches but I would snort or smoke the oxies (yes you can smoke oxies and it works good,you just smoke it off foil).

Now I have a bad Xanax and klonopin habit. Using about 8mg of Xanax and 8mg of klonopin a day (they're both prescribed).

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

I'm on methadone now. I just simply could not kick the habit. And yeah I'm on the west coast and was shooting tar. As for the pills, I would shoot the dilaudids and fentanyl patches but I would snort or smoke the oxies (yes you can smoke oxies and it works good,you just smoke it off foil).

Now I have a bad Xanax and klonopin habit. Using about 8mg of Xanax and 8mg of klonopin a day (they're both prescribed).

i hear ya dude
don't be discouraged about that..my homie was scribed over 100mg of mdone..a year later, now he's completely through with it.. so if you use it to get clean and not just maintain you can do it even sooner...

no disrespect but for me I couldn't do the whole methadone scene..everything about it pissed me off. Imaging myself go through even more bs just for that, I couldn't do it and not be high. Cold turkey and plenty of Benedryl and quality cannabis with a healthy dose of will power.. that's really what got me out of the physical wd. but the mental is the hard part, to not get so upset over little shit, to not think you need such powerful downers or to be numb for your little problems(in the scheme of things), be humble, be grateful, embrace new hobbies and meeting new people, important to exercise too if you don't already..even going for walks getting your blood going and getting your natural opiates to start working again...i used to ride mountain bikes, so much fun to pick one up when sober again..imho what made me the most upset was my environment, if you have the means change it.

Its all a mindset now. I try not to take things so seriously anymore. on a lighter note..

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s14e03-medicinal-fried-chicken

I don't know if you watch south park but this episode pretty much hit it on the head for me

cheers


edit: I can't do the xanax or suboxone thing either..yeah I know they are docs prescribed but honestly with the white coats giving them out like candy that doesn't mean much to me. Methadone has the longest half life of any opiate, it stays in the body longer, I understand thats the point but its also more toxic and harder to detox from that than from oxy...methadone kick makes oxy kick look easy...oxymorph opana and tar heroin were the worst kicks next to methadone being the worst imho...I could rant about my beef with xanax and how its become the next generations trojan horse but ill say this....anything that can be taken as a daily regiment and does not provoke any introspection of its continued use, it could be a very dangerous thing..

even though I burn cannabis everyday..it provokes introspection about its use to me personally, while heroin on the contrast never did..the house will be burning down(metaphorically speaking) and you're still sitting on the couch pin dot and careless.

the good thing I've learned from opiates is that the little things aka the bullshit really doesn't matter that much, it's all how you wana look at, perceive, and react to...it.




Eatatjoes, see everyones mileage is different, anyone in this spot should increase their dose and play around with different strains until they find their sweet spot...if you can harness the energy of the dope fiend I believe in you..

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

*light bulb*

this thread should be sticky'd
or
a forum should be dedicated to cannabis aided rehab

 

[HUGE]

I used pot to get me throug opiate withdrawals. I was in bed for a week and smoked tons of herb. Herb,steamroom ,jacuzzi. And 1-2 free weeks should be doable for most people. I still experienced sporati withdrawal symptoms for 6 months after stopping. It's been 2 years and I'm just starting to feel like it's cOmpletely gone.

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

I used pot to get me throug opiate withdrawals. I was in bed for a week and smoked tons of herb. Herb,steamroom ,jacuzzi. And 1-2 free weeks should be doable for most people. I still experienced sporati withdrawal symptoms for 6 months after stopping. It's been 2 years and I'm just starting to feel like it's cOmpletely gone.

jacuzzi, benedryl, sauna (i like more than steam room)

it really does take quite some time for the body to regain chemical stasis

 

[crazybear]

Cannabis is very useful in dealing with opiate withdrawls!

 

[KharmaGirl]

Sorry y'all....even though the intentions are good, we simply can't allow a thread to run with so many references to substances not wish mentioned on IC