Are feminized seed less potent, and if so, why?

[growhigh1234]

Nah, man, variegation i.e. "deformed twisted mutants" isn't caused by feminization. Plenty of lines that used all normal male and female flowers to be bred can show the trait.

well several reg packs of mr nice and not one mutant !!
found serveral in feminised seeds but like you say the reg to that line prob has them !!! as with blueberry mutants hermies galor !!

noone can really say without cast iron tests,, i dont know 200 femed 200 reg females from same line grown out to maturity document and look for patterns !!! mutant counts hermie counts ect ect

untile then its all just opinion really !!!

 

[Baba Ku]

No, I didn't say at all what you are saying, growhigh.
And you will find that your so called "logic" is all messed up. Why would you trust your logic at all? You really have no idea how this thing happens or why, yet you are certain it can't be good. Do you realize how off that sounds? Kinda like the logical mindset of those dead set against cannabis. Exactly like it actually.
There is information and facts that can show these cannabis haters that it isn't the evil menace and gateway to heroin that they think it is...they just need to be educated with the proper material. Just like you on this issue.

And to get educated, I suggest doing some serious searching for papers by Mohan Ram et al. Until you actually grasp this concept and what it is, and isn't, you are simply not going to have the information you need to comment intelligently on this subject.

Oh, and opinion is all you are putting out. Have you ever even tried to find out about this, or are you just satisfied with the world as seen through your glasses?

noone can really say without cast iron tests

Well, cast iron tests were conducted in this area, probably before you were drawing breath. You just need to find the info and educate yourself. All of this...every single bit of it..is documented science and fact.
Catch up.

 

[growhigh1234]

No, I didn't say at all what you are saying, growhigh.
And you will find that your so called "logic" is all messed up. Why would you trust your logic at all? You really have no idea how this thing happens or why, yet you are certain it can't be good. Do you realize how off that sounds? Kinda like the logical mindset of those dead set against cannabis. Exactly like it actually.
There is information and facts that can show these cannabis haters that it isn't the evil menace and gateway to heroin that they think it is...they just need to be educated with the proper material. Just like you on this issue.

And to get educated, I suggest doing some serious searching for papers by Mohan Ram et al. Until you actually grasp this concept and what it is, and isn't, you are simply not going to have the information you need to comment intelligently on this subject.

Oh, and opinion is all you are putting out. Have you ever even tried to find out about this, or are you just satisfied with the world as seen through your glasses?

now now you cant spit your dummy/pacifier out just becouse someone disagrees's !!! nothing i have said is incorrect you can try and put a posstive spin on it as much as you like, but summed up your doin what i said .................... something holy unnatural !!!

end of !!!

thats all im sayin !!! its not natural!! its not normal!! its not what the plant wants to do... !!

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Briefly, no. Some will be better than others and some will be genetic mutants that hermi at the light of a match during flower Personally I don't grow any femm'd seeds.

But remember just because the seeds are feminised does not mean that they will be identical representations of the P1, the genes get mixed up the same as any other cross, there's just less gene's getting mixed into the cross.

 

[growhigh1234]

Well, cast iron tests were conducted in this area, probably before you were drawing breath. You just need to find the info and educate yourself. All of this...every single bit of it..is documented science and fact.
Catch up.


ok point me to a independant scientific paper !! study !! experiment even !!

on the hermie trates vigour trates pheno trates yeild strengh ect ect ect of feminized seeds usein the NEW acid techniech !!! vs there natural regular counterparts ????????????????????

show me

or are you just goin by your own and fourm memebers biased self servin opinions ?????????? lol

 

[Baba Ku]

No, just about everything you are suggesting is wrong, growhigh. I know you feel it's correct, but you are giving us nothing at all but your gut feeling on the issue.
I gave you a starting point...and if you want to learn you will.
And what could possibly be self serving about what I am telling you? I don't sell fem seeds and have no dog in any fight. I am only about the truth, and people like you help to keep others from seeing the truth everyday. At the very least you keep yourself blinded.

 

[Baba Ku]

Briefly, no. Some will be better than others and some will be genetic mutants that hermi at the light of a match during flower Personally I don't grow any femm'd seeds.

But remember just because the seeds are feminised does not mean that they will be identical representations of the P1, the genes get mixed up the same as any other cross, there's just less gene's getting mixed into the cross.

If you breed a female to it's sibling male...and then another cut of her to a different sibling male, the progeny of both will not be exactly alike, but the frequency in phenotype is going to see very similar numbers. Now, if you use a sibling female instead of either of the brothers, then the progeny and the shake out of phenotype will be as similar to the first sib male as it was to the second sib male.
And always remember there is a difference between S1 selfings and R1 femminized reversals.

As far as some seeds wanting to hermie at the light of a match..I'd say you were quite wrong on this one. Unless of course you could suggest to us which commercially available fem seed does this? And if you do find one like that, it would also suggest that the breeders regular offering will also be poorly bred crap. There is nothing about the femminization process that makes a plant more prone to hermie than it would being standard bred.
It is all about parental selection, nothing more.

 

[growhigh1234]

No, just about everything you are suggesting is wrong, growhigh. I know you feel it's correct, but you are giving us nothing at all but your gut feeling on the issue.
I gave you a starting point...and if you want to learn you will.
And what could possibly be self serving about what I am telling you? I don't sell fem seeds and have no dog in any fight. I am only about the truth, and people like you help to keep others from seeing the truth everyday. At the very least you keep yourself blinded.

the truth seen through your eyes !! your own pecived truth !!!!

i grow fem and reg i dont care i just find LIKE SEVERAL OTHERS ON THIS THREAD I MAy ADD that they are some very suttle differnces !!! certin newonse's !!!!

aint just me sayin it mate ........... you know i think sometimes people get tunnel vision and cant see what comman opinion is saying

smarten up !

 

[Laugan Gaucher]

I grew GHCo feminised Haw. snow, a.strawb. Haze, Ah#1 and paradise acid fem...immediatly I saw a lack of vigor in the growing period in all subject. I think it's inbreeding and depression...I made seeds with them...why not ?

potenties were good. not desapointed ! all good !

I have made some feminized with two females and never saw that lack of vigor...SUPER Breedor's work ?

let me die of laughing...

 

[Baba Ku]

smarten up !

(lol...good grief)
Whatever you say, horsefly. (or should I say, Hempy?)

 

[guest456mpy]

Originally posted by Bab Ku...

Whatever you say, horsefly. (or should I say, Hempy?)

I'm sorry, was that pointed at me?

 

[Baba Ku]

lol..I dunno, is there some reason it would be directed at you?
Should I also expect to hear from;
hempy hedgehog
Hempy-Mofo
hempybucquet
hempyd123
hempydoctor
Hempyfan
HempYoda
Hempyreum
too?

 

[guest456mpy]

Well, contextually I contributed earlier in the thread...
Did any of the others?

 

[Baba Ku]

You seem to have a grasp of the English language, so I am relatively certain you are not the Hempy I referred to.

 

[guest456mpy]

Most cool, my man...
FWIW I supported your position, hence the question.

 

[jm420]

The reason I ask is this.I'm a big fan of Paridiises Ice cream .It's only available feminised ,potent and as vigorous as any other strain I've grown.I havnt gotten a mutant or herm out of 20 or so plants.To be honest I'm sick of buying the IC (i have no room to keep a mother).At this point I dont have the knowledge or time to experiment with selfing or reversal,so i want to dust a couple buds with pollen from a stable Double Purple Doja F3 x Blue Bomber male. In the hopes of finding a purple IC pheno.Will using feminzed genetics be detremental to my endeavor?

 

[Diamonddss]

less potency on female vs reg is just silly. If Genetics are good then the kids will be just as potent.
But the hermie issue is still argued by many. Many very experienced growers here at ic will swear there only hermies after years are from femmed. Many others love them.
I think some strains are much less stable and more likely to herm. Direct S1 seeds from "herman" should never be taken i thought only use the pollen on other stable females.
My own opinion is that femms can be great but there are more unstable strains and more testing should be done. My only herms were from femms but im sure ill be told "grower error". I got males from thseeds mk ultra. got pics too. pure males!

 

[headband 707]

I wouldn't say they are less potent .. but of-course I would say stay away from them as they will produce hermies in your garden and that would be less potent.. Although I'm sure some might disagree that hermies are less potent.. Myself I stay away from plants that either self or have AF in them. Thats just me peace out Headband707

 

[Baba Ku]

Will using feminzed genetics be detremental to my endeavor?

No.
There would be no difference if the plant were from a standard breeding. There is nothing in the genetic map, that we know of, that would tell us your female came from a feminized breeding, even in the lab.

It is always funny how some people will be the first to claim fem seeds cause hermies, yet they are always the ones that have no real ideas of how the process even works or what it is about.

 

[Baba Ku]

I wouldn't say they are less potent .. but of-course I would say stay away from them as they will produce hermies in your garden and that would be less potent..

You staying away from them is fine...but how responsible is it for you to make such a statement and have absolutely nothing that would back it up? It was a pretty blanket statement to make, and quite wrong as well.