Vaporizer high - why is it different than smoking?

[mean mr.mustard]

LOL that thing has been beaten hard and ugly.

If it was a desert island type question I'd pick smoking... good luck finding an electrical plug on an island.

I could always find a leaf and make fire.

Vaping is really nice though. If I'm around a vape I'd rather use it 9 times out of 10.

If there is only a joint handy I'm not going to complain.

 

[Private Joker]

I enjoy my volcano every once in a while, easier on the lungs and the buds taste amazing. That being said, nothing beats a good joint. I used to also think that it(volcano) wasted weed, till I started to make butter with the weed after vamping it. Now, nothing is wasted.

 

[Don Dump]

smoking? feh

 

[tokatronic]

I enjoy my volcano every once in a while, easier on the lungs and the buds taste amazing. That being said, nothing beats a good joint. I used to also think that it(volcano) wasted weed, till I started to make butter with the weed after vamping it. Now, nothing is wasted.

Well, I bought the volcano with a deluxe set, suitcase and spare parts to last me forever. Together with the postage and the tax and customs it was quite expensive, but it got me high on lesser amounts of weed, and when I got dry I could just smoke the old stuff at higher temepratures and still get high. It also allows you to take buds straight of the unharvested plant (if you can't wait) without any time consuming drying schemes. It gives you a hit that tastes like a tropical rainforest.

The vaporizer has been one of my best buys!

Now I've decided to buy the portable one, that little matchbox sized one... what's it called? Magic flight box?

The only thing I'm missing is the feeling of beeing utterly stoned out. But I havent made cannabutter or anything like that. People say that's the solution.

 

[Sour Deez]

Well, I bought the volcano with a deluxe set, suitcase and spare parts to last me forever. Together with the postage and the tax and customs it was quite expensive, but it got me high on lesser amounts of weed, and when I got dry I could just smoke the old stuff at higher temepratures and still get high. It also allows you to take buds straight of the unharvested plant (if you can't wait) without any time consuming drying schemes. It gives you a hit that tastes like a tropical rainforest.

The vaporizer has been one of my best buys!

Now I've decided to buy the portable one, that little matchbox sized one... what's it called? Magic flight box?

The only thing I'm missing is the feeling of beeing utterly stoned out. But I havent made cannabutter or anything like that. People say that's the solution.

cannabutter is the solution. If u vape, making edibles with the vaped bud is a must

 

[HempKat]

I think for most who end up not liking vapes it's because they've just become too accustomed to smoking and so things don't feel the same, which they aren't really. I think the problem for many is they just don't stick with it long enough, and/or the vape they use just isn't a good one. There was one I tried that you had to hit thru this tube and you needed to have a good set of lungs to get a decent hit because the holes for air flow were so small. This made it difficult to use and enjoy and so I didn't stick with it. I agree with the suggestion someone made to give it six months if you can. If in six months you're not loving it, you probably never will, at least not with whatever vape you were using.

 

[tokatronic]

6 months sounds long, though. I'd rather say that if a person can enjoy the uphigh sativa type marihuana, a vaporizer would be alright because it makes even hash be primarily a heady high.

And as you say, go for a vaporizer that gets good reviews. The Volcano did it for me, but check out the portable matchbox sized Magic Flight Box which is 100 USD and gets insanely good reviews. 100 USD is nothing for a good vaporizer, you've saved that money within the first week or month of use.

 

[MoeBudz^420]

Just got into the vapor world this weekend. I am still learning my vape, but like it so far. I do notice a difference in buzzes between smoke and vape.

My vapor hits have been quite thin (can just barely see it in the elbow, can taste it but can't see much/anything on exhale. It does creep up on U tho. I am vaping at 200 - 210C)

(now bear in mind, I'm using mids at best here, commercial outdoor from an $80 oz, not a lot of visible trichs)

I find the vape is good for "uppy" stuff like gaming or out and about. a nice crisp, clear high. Duration is similar to smoking, 1-2 hr.

The same bud smoked in a J hits me a little heavier, better for sleep.

All in all, I like the vape, but will still combust on occasion. Better starting material coming soon enuff...






Peace

 

[tr1ck_]

I smoke primarily my volcano during the day when I work, but I find that when I get done working a nice bong rip relaxes me a bit more.

I find that if I smoke a lot in the volcano I can still function and get stuff done (for the most part, and definitely slower) Whereas if I smoke a lot in my bong I turn into a useless puddle on the couch.

I wish I vape'd exclusively for the health benefits, but I still find myself hitting the bong 10-20% of the time.

 

[THC123]

@ moebuds

i tried that vaporizer this weekend


i tried 5 different ones , cuz buddies of mine wantd to buy a vaporizer.

Yours was cheaper but had all the functions of the volcano

well i can tell you that at the same temp your vaporizer almost didnt produce any vapor compared to the volcano


so far of all the vapes i tried the only decent ones are the volcano and the verdamper

all the rest was bullshit with very thin hits , i tried vapir , aromed , herbalaire , vapir 2 , iolite

now that i have tried almot all of them i can say that 80% of vaporizers are crap compared to the volcano

really crappy

My volcano gets me higher then i ever was with smoking and yes that includes body stones and it gives a sense of satisfaction

with the other vapes it is like you are just breathing in air with minor taste

 

[Intern@tional]

The remote controller in the Extreme Vaporizer is what makes it top shelf product I vape the herbs only once in about 210 C. I use the remainings to make brownies. Good for insomnia because of the substances left that vape in higher temperatures. This way herbs are used twice Smoking a bong is just a bad habit but how pleasant. Health or pleasure - it's your choice Could someone write something about this small device IOLITE PORTABLE VAPORIZER? Sounds like a good thing outdoors, when you go to the forest for example to see your girls and want to chill a bit

 

[MoeBudz^420]

Volcano is #1, no doubt - but was just too pricey. IMO, it's most likely the low quality outdoor used as starting material - it has some, but not a lot of visible trichs, and under magnification, they are clear/cloudy. No amber, and a lot of stalks minus heads, prolly from being in a ziplock.

I say this because my friend's EQ gave thick vapor, could see blue vapor on exhale after 20 sec hold-in but his bud was c99, & very frosty indeed.

I was using the whip + elbow packs, may try bags next...


Peace

 

[supermanlives]

i loved my aromed till someone stole it.the didnt get the bong tho. i preferr smoking and wont be buying another vape

 

[Veracity]

I prefer to vape by far. The type of vape is really depend on what you get out of it. I've used several different vapes and prefer whip vapes because of the thicker hit, higher vapor to air ratio. Really don't like bag vapes though vapor is too thin, but to each their own.

 

[Cojito]

Theoretically, an ideal vaporizer could minimize production of tars by holding the temperature just above 155 C, the point at which THC vaporizes, which is well below the temperature where carcinogenic hydrocarbons are thought to be produced. In practice, both vaporizers produced over ten times more tars than cannabinoids, indicating that there is plenty of room for improvement.

i've tried several vaporizers. i didn't like the taste nor the buzz. it seems to me that a lot is missing when i vape cannabis. however, my main mission is getting high, NOT avoiding carcinogenic hydrocarbons. personally, i don't figure smoking a "J" a day has been all that damaging to my health. not compared to the hazards of work, breathing polluted city air, consuming processed foods, the pain and stress of being branded a criminal etc. sure a joint will waste smoke, and could hardly be considered discreet, but i'd still choose the high and pleasure of burning a well-rolled joint over any other method of consuming cannabis.

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

you get high off burning plant material even if its just that tired effect you get from combustibles by products that little buzz holds you over long enough for THC to take effect within 10 minutes or so..that's why you get a strong creeper effect from vapes

 

[chappie]

I will agree that smoking provides a certain "punch" that almost all vaping lacks. However, I also feel like crap after smoking and have given it up. I take "quality control" checks each harvest in a pipe but I am almost always disappointed in this experience - it is 100% of the time better tasting in the vape.

The "punch" missing in vaping could very well be lack of toxins, I have no idea as I have not performed the scientific research and have only read the same dubious articles that all of you have. All I can say for certain is that my body is MUCH happier when I do not smoke.

I use an SSV most of the time and a MFLB for on-the-go action. That one is not meant to be compared to a desktop unit but it sure beats pipes and joints while traveling and can be very discrete if you choose. Lots of people use sucessfully in public places.

I have experienced the vapo-panic listed above (its easy to vape to excess and then it sneaks up on your 5 minutes later). I also agree with the poster above who said that anxiety is avoided while vaping because its so clear. In my experience, when unfamiliar with a strain, its easy to overdo it and delve into the panic mode. Once a strain is known to be something I like say 3 hits of, I stick to that and then never have a hitch.

Glad so many of you love the volcano, but the price is ridiculous and I personally cannot enjoy the experience of huffing out of a crinkly bag. To each his own... and for me thats the SSV and MFLB!

One more note about vaping in general: I find it especially wonderful to concoct smoking blends. This works to a lesser degree with smoking, but in a vape you can really taste the individual strains both on their own and as they synergize with the other ingredients to form new flavors and effects. Its very much like classic cocktail alchemy. As an example, I like to take a very sweet and rich tasting NL that I have, and combine it at about 25% with some piercing, trebly sativa-heavy bud (Mandala kalichakra). the blend is more delicious than either on its own, and the effects are also better. Where the NL is almost boring (though very cozy) on its own, it adds a beautiful cushion to the occasionally racy, speedy feeling from the Kalichakra.

These mixology experiments are nowhere near as rewarding when smoked.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

It has a lot todo with the brand of vaporizer and the temperature it's set to. If I set my extreme to it's max temp, the effects are very similar to smoking it.

Besides that, I think of vaping like sipping fine wine or scotch. I feel like smoking is like taking shots of 151. With either method you can reach pretty much the same feeling, but a different speed and intensity getting there.

Without a doubt I feel like smoking ruins the taste of our fine plant. Not as healthy. Also, less efficient. When I hear people say otherwise I just assume they didn't use a good vaporizer and or had their vaporizer at bad settings.

what kind of vape are you using...ive smoked a ton of volcanos and other vaporizers and i always hate the taste. it all tastes the same....to me getting the best taste is through a glass on glass smoking a fresh green snapper and not holding the lighter over the bowl to reduce butane inhalation..

i havent tried my SFV through a good vaporizer i wanna see if that mint taste comes through...

one thing i do hate about smoking is the tired burnt out effect a few hours after the high wears off...really would love to be able to do away with that. if vaping solves that i might have to buy one...but i dont wanna volcano, i think they are overhyped..

 

[HempKat]

I wonder if anyone is aware of any studies looking at what harm smoking marijuana in bud form causes vs smoking it in hash form or some other form of extract/concentrate? I ask because it's been suggested that it's the smoking of it in plant form that creates toxins from the combusting plant matter. That the vape high is cleaner and better for you because you're not burning all that plant matter. Well when one smokes some well prepared hash or oil they also are not smoking all that plant matter, just the resin. Now surely there is still harmful things created from the combusting resin but without all the plant matter it stands to reason it's less harmful. Also being concentrated you need much less so you end up smoking less, at least in theory. When I smoke hash though even though all the plant matter is removed I still get the same high as I would smoking a joint. Instead of smoking enough material to fill up a cigarette sized joint though, I'm smoking an amount of resin crushed together, about the size of a pellet or maybe a small pea. Same high, same feeling, same taste only better. So I can't help but wonder just how much better for you hash might be then straight herb? Maybe not on par with a vaporizor but any improvement should be better and if you still get the same high it should be all good right?

Now personally what I think is the difference is the temperature issue and that different cannabinoids vaporize at different temps. Also I note that alot of people feel the spent remains of vaping is worth using in butter. This strongly suggest that a fair amount of something is left behind. What exactly it is, I don't know. What I do know though is there is nothing left behind in the ash from smoking hash. So maybe the difference is that with traditional flame the temp is so high, everything vaporizes and this produces a more full bodied high. A vape, because it gives you more control over the temps, ends up leaving things out of the mix and this is what can be worthwhile in the butter use later.

 

[Suspect]

Phytocannabinoids, their boiling points, and properties

Δ-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
Boiling point: 157*C / 314.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

cannabidiol (CBD)
Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic

Cannabinol (CBN)
Boiling point: 185*C / 365 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic

cannabichromene (CBC)
Boiling point: 220*C / 428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

cannabigerol (CBG)
Boiling point: MP52
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

Δ-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ-8-THC)
Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Resembles ?-9-THC, Less psychoactive, More stable Antiemetic

tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)
Boiling point: < 220*C / <428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant

Terpenoid essential oils, their boiling points, and properties

ß-myrcene
Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Analgesic. Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic

ß-caryophyllene
Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial

d-limonene
Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Cannabinoid agonist?, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic

linalool
Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator

pulegone
Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Memory booster?, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

1,8-cineole (eucalyptol)
Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral, blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral, Antiinflammatory, Antinociceptive

a-pinene
Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE inhibitor

a-terpineol
Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial

terpineol-4-ol
Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic

p-cymene
Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor

Flavonoid and phytosterol components, their boiling points, and properties

apigenin
Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Anxiolytic, Antiinflammatory, Estrogenic

quercetin
Boiling point: 250*C / 482 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antioxidant, Antimutagenic, Antiviral, Antineoplastic

cannflavin A
Boiling point: 182*C / 359.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: COX inhibitor, LO inhibitor

ß-sitosterol
Boiling point: 134*C / 273.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, 5-a-reductase, inhibitor

Source: http://www.cannabis-science.com/cannabis_chemistry.html

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