2 Trees

[TB Gardens]

Looks awesome Billy.. Pullin up a chair for this one

 

[Billy Liar]

I definitely love the feed sequence split above and below the upper container for even more increased flow and dissolved oxygen with waterfall effect in each grow tank , along with the 3 separate drains FTW to insure said increased flow with less root blockage.........

I have a theory that the top feed is very needed fred.. I did a few grows where the roots never reached the bottom, when I only had little drippers from above.. My best success came from massive feed from the top of the Hydroton.. so I now run both top and bottom feed...
there's plenty of circulation here bro.... hehee..
Hope that Mex is treating you right today...LOL
peace
BL

 

[DHF]

With my krusty buckets , I had a manifold all the way around the room with risers exactly like you`ve got comin off the feed line to topfeed each of 4 plants with drain and return to sunken rez , but with inline drain pump assist of my own design to increase recirculation and flow.......

Had feedlines designed with ball valves like you for flow control and a bypass to the bottom bucket when the rootmass was fully developed after end of stretch , I shutdown top feed and the extra pressure increased flow in the bottom containers through end of cycle....

Settin on my bucket waitin for some serious growth and swellage........

Thanks again Billy....DHF...........

 

[MyGreenToe]

This thread rules. I can already see there's gonna be some mad info dropped in this thread just like Heath's Tree thread. Hope you guys don't mind if I archive the pics and discussion. Been collecting info on this type of growin for a few years. Maybe I'll get it all assembled into a cohesive unit at some point.

 

[Billy Liar]

HI TB Gardens, thanks for stopping by...
Hey fred,

I had a manifold all the way around the room

. thats what folks need to understand with pipe sizing.. The thing I learned at college was that in a positive pressure situation, the pressure will equalize in the larger bore pipe, giving pretty much equal pressure at all of the smaller outlets..
In my design here there was almost no balancing of the flow from the outlets, because of the pressure equalizing inside the manifold...
peace
BL

 

[CyrilSneer]

Here's one for fred.. I've took a different approach to posting the pics, hope you can see them now Bud... hehee...


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peace
BL

Hey Billy.. I don't suppose you'd be interested in another left nut? Cause I'd give mine for this setup.

 

[Billy Liar]

HI MGT,
I'd be more than happy if you archive the info...
Also thats why I Blow through the Carbon filter instesd of suck through them.. The pressure equalizes inside the filter, so it uses all of the carbon effectively.. If you suck through, it uses the carbon near the outlet first, untill it blocks... Well thats what I was told by a commercial air con/ventilation guy...
peace
BL

 

[Billy Liar]

Wow busy in here today... thanks guys..
Cyril, I've already got 2 spare nuts mate, they are well spent..LOL
peace
BL

 

[MyGreenToe]

I 100% agree. I've always blown through my carbon filters, not pull through them. Good point on the plumbing. I'm going to be redoing my manifold with larger diameter pipe after this run in order to get better equalized at each site without much work.
Keep killin it man, can't wait to see this show blow up!

 

[DHF]

That`s what loopfield/manifolds are all about Billy......equalizing flow and pressure to each individual plantsite by using larger bore pipe for feed and downsizing it to the container.....and btw.......

You`re doin 1 helluva job........DHF......

 

[Billy Liar]

MGT, DHF, thanks guys, I only wish I could give up the Day job..LOL fucking plumber hey..?.?.? Hehee
peace
BL

 

[Shady Smoka]

Looking great Billy. I'm moving soon, so I gotta close up shop for a bit. I got 4 mothers waiting to go into a system like this.
For now....I'll live through this thread hehe

 

[organiclover]

this system makes way more sense to me than an undercurrent
not knocking undercurrents because they have a cool product
but everything you guys are explaining here makes a LOT of sense

especially the dissolved oxygen top feed aspect
thanks for the info
great thread

 

[green_thumb...]

Very nice BL,that NL5xAfg looks beefcake!

I can't wait to get my tree project going,still undecided on what to dedicate all that time/money into.

I also love the simplicity of your set up.

Will be watchin this one thru all the way.

 

[Billy Liar]

Shady Smoka, organiclover, green_thumb.. thanks very much..

here's the Bypass in action as fred requested... It is possibly, or definitely, as fred and I think, THE most important part of the system... This creates DO in the res that is then carried around the system by the pump... explaining why the res is the key to this type of growing.. Ideally a shallow res with a large water surface area is needed... as gas exchange happens where-ever water is in contact with the atmosphere... that includes the res and around the buckets in the grow tanks...
I'm having trouble uploading to this site.... so these are linked from another site.. which I think is the reason fred cant see pics...?
just shout if you cant see em fred, or anyone...

peace
BL

 

[DHF]

The Mega "Oxygenation" of the rez by the bypass performs 2 functions....

It relieves pressure off the bigass oversize pump , and if still needing dialed down , that`s where the ball valve comes into play for flow control.......and Hell no........

Can`t see the 1 pic that`s the most important part of the equation........

I`ll be strong........LOL.......

Thanks Billy.......You da man......DHF.....

 

[Billy Liar]

check ya emails... hehee
fooking ic playing up with uploads.... grrr
peace
BL

 

[Hydrosun]

I can see the photo and it looks nice. Have any of you guys used a DO meter to chart the DO during your grows?

 

[smallgreendog]

I inherited a partiality built 3 patient, 10 plant setup. I have been looking over all the rdwc threads. I have absorbed more than I thought one man's mind could hold. I would have preferred to start off small, but what can you do. I have hit the ground running. My problem is I have I to feed 10 plants through 30 feet of pre laid 1/2 inch irrigation tubing. They'd returned a 1200 gph pump and replaced it with a 3200gph monsters. The problem is that won't work either. Those of you who are laughing know what I have recently learned. It's not just a matter of bigger is better. You've got to size the pump to the pipe to the pipe run. I have learned that there is a reason why plumbers make good money. Help please. The pump has a 1.5 inch output. it is a danner 3200 pondmaster. Will this pump push water through 30 feet of 1.5 inch pvc. I feel slightly greedy for asking. Icmag has given me so much more knowledge than I could ever repay. Any help is greatly appreciated.

I would also like to run a bypass in the res to increase D.O. will that effect the size of the pipe I chose for the feed line?

 

[ILoveit]

Can using a smaller/larger volume inner tank affect yield. Im just wondering if you replace that inner tank (the one filled with clay pebbles) with a smaller one what would the results of the yield be? Mmmm.