Growing your own and the oncoming food crisis

[LovableHuggable]

Actually folks, what's going on in Egypt began due to food shortages. That's originally what got the people out into the streets to protest. Same in Tunisia, Libya, and even Algeria over this past weekend.

So growing yr own food is always something to strive for. If you live in an apartment building you can grow in containers on your terrace...or use lights, of course...or use all that empty real estate on your roof.

Not shortages. More like 15% inflation in food prices each year for the last three years. That's 45% compounded interest. If that happens in the USA there will be ppl in the streets here too.

you guys who think your small garden in your back yard is gunna feed you are sorely mistaken... youd need somewhere around an acre of land per person...

and supposing it was really a fuel and weather crisis, cause thats likely what it will be, how are you gunna maintain a 4 acre garden without oil...

if the shit hits the fan for real itll be back to the basics... hunting and gathering, maybe when things settle agriculture will return...

realize that farming was the fall back, man was never able to live only off farming until the industrial revolution, before then we grew crops only as a supplement to hunting... no way a family could farm the acreage to feed them year round without anything else...


no offense
who.d

You must not be very old or have any experience gardening. My mother and her three sisters grew up poor as dirt and they had to grow a huge percentage of their yearly food or they simply starved. I can fill up more than one freezer with peas, october beans, butter beans, okra, squash, cucumbers and all kinds of peppers on an acre of land and not only does it feed one person all winter long, but it feeds all five of us all winter long. We have to buy corn to put up b/c that's the only thing we don't have enough land for without driving out to family land in the sticks. It doesn't take much land to give you more work than you can handle or more food than you can put up before it spoils and rots.

 

[motaco]

We are about to see who the deluded ones really are. I know one thing for sure. You can't eat irony.

Yes we will see. You are right. David Cross did a really funny bit back in '99 about all the preachers saying the world is coming to an end.

People have been saying it for thousands of years mainly for the same reason you are against the government. If you can make people scared you gain power over them. So there is and has always been a wide variety of doomsday folks who think they are in the know and everybody else are ignorant fools who will die in the apocalypse. That notion is also what helps drive people to religion. Secret esoteric knowledge held by a few smart enough to understand it.

Its gibberish that will pass with age. And you will be just like the Y2k prophets in 2000, and the endless forgotten doomsday prophets throughout the centuries. As David Cross says "Yes the fundraising will continue for another thousand years brothers. Praise Jesus and Hallelujah."

2012 will just be another big joke. Watching all these 2012 guys eat their words. Try to back peddle and pretend not to be embarrassed. Looking for the next doomsday idea to write a book on, or sell haz mat suits for.

 

[SpasticGramps]

I'm not talking about the world coming to an end or 2012. That's you putting words in our mouths. I'm talking about commodity inflation driving the price of food higher because of monetary easing. It's economics. Not Y2K doomsday shit.

Do you dispute the fact that the price of food is going up? Do you understand why all asset classes and commodities are inflating to record levels right now? Hyperinflation doesn't mean the end of the world. lmao. It means the begining of a new monetary system. Monetary systems have collapsed before you know and we are still here. People who warned of the 2008 housing crash were called the same things you are calling us. Yet, in our hubris we think everything is fine this time around. That's called insanity. You are doing the same f'ing thing, but expecting a different result. Except the bubble being created right now will be the last......for this system. We will still be here lol. Granted everything may look a little bit different.

Your probably right though. We should keep up what we are doing. Fuck the third world. Let them starve so that we can enjoy our iPads and McMansions and inflated stock prices. This kind of blind wanton ignorance and greed will be a bitch when karma comes back around.

 

[ROJO145]

I'm not talking about the world coming to an end or 2012. That's you putting words in our mouths. I'm talking about commodity inflation driving the price of food higher because of monetary easing. It's economics. Not Y2K doomsday shit.

Do you dispute the fact that the price of food is going up? Do you understand why all asset classes and commodities are inflating to record levels right now? Hyperinflation doesn't mean the end of the world. lmao. It means the begining of a new monetary system. Monetary systems have collapsed before you know and we are still here. People who warned of the 2008 housing crash were called the same things you are calling us. Yet, in our hubris we think everything is fine this time around. That's called insanity. You are doing the same f'ing thing, but expecting a different result. Except the bubble being created right now will be the last......for this system. We will still be here lol. Granted everything may look a little bit different.

Your probably right though. We should keep up what we are doing. Fuck the third world. Let them starve so that we can enjoy our iPads and McMansions and inflated stock prices. This kind of blind wanton ignorance and greed will be a bitch when karma comes back around.

100% as usual SG!!!If anyones NOT noticing food goin up they are NOT buyin it,fuck its up 42% I believe and not stoppin soon!!Fuck gas,whats everyone gonna do when a gallon a milk cost 10 bucks and a loaf a breads a 5???Crazy days ahead for sure!!

 

[motaco]

This is again unique just like religions. Your specific version of events I'm sure you truly believe in and will argue endlessly for, and you will agree other versions are silly. I don't care and I certainly don't care to argue about how you personally see the world.

All I'm saying is growing your own food for an upcoming perceived crisis. Whether its social, economic, environmental, I don't care what your version is. It is paranoid and delusional in this day in age in western society. And I do think this paranoia is certainly not limited to the pot community, but does seem to be entrenched in a certain segment of it.

Whatever your version of the crisis. On your death bed, you will be singing the same tune as y2k preachers. Because it just ain't going to happen.

Growing your own food is great. For a variety of reasons. Growing your own food to give to hungry people is even better. I'm not against growing your own food. But growing it in plans for the collapse of western civilization, the apocalypse, rise of the new world order, invasions of flying monkeys, etc. Whatever your version is... is a pretty silly idea. Thats all I have to say on the topic.

Grow your own food and more power to you.

 

[bentom187]

i was toying with this idea also but i have to aquire some land first, i was gonna do what that guy in the video did except give it away to the needy/homless shelters and a sort of farmers market where you can take food in exchange for some chores or a donation for the farm. also having other products like hemp oils, and food possabley textiles made from hemp cause lets face it its the swiss army knife of crops.

 

[Closet_Grower]

Whether its social, economic, environmental, I don't care what your version is. It is paranoid and delusional in this day in age in western society...

Whatever your version of the crisis. On your death bed, you will be singing the same tune as y2k preachers. Because it just ain't going to happen.

...But growing it in plans for the collapse of western civilization, the apocalypse, rise of the new world order, invasions of flying monkeys, etc. Whatever your version is... is a pretty silly idea. Thats all I have to say on the topic.

Grow your own food and more power to you.

you do understand there is a whole world out there and not just the good ol' US of A. ?

Im pretty sure nobody is talking about some y2k computer bullshit, or flying monkeys.
Personally I don't know what to do when the world pays for the greed and waste that is necessary to uphold your "American Dream"

Western Civilization is 100% dependent on outside resources, and not sustainable by any means.... im not saying 2012 either..... but the party cant last forever.

Those who think everything is ok and peachy are the ones who are truly delusional.

I suppose ignorance is bliss, and many citizens of this world believe that Americans are the most ignorant of all.

 

[supermanlives]

i have been planning a rooftop grow as here in so cal some of us have flat roofs

 

[whodare]

You must not be very old or have any experience gardening. My mother and her three sisters grew up poor as dirt and they had to grow a huge percentage of their yearly food or they simply starved. I can fill up more than one freezer with peas, october beans, butter beans, okra, squash, cucumbers and all kinds of peppers on an acre of land and not only does it feed one person all winter long, but it feeds all five of us all winter long. We have to buy corn to put up b/c that's the only thing we don't have enough land for without driving out to family land in the sticks. It doesn't take much land to give you more work than you can handle or more food than you can put up before it spoils and rots.

unless you live in an environment that provides ice you wont be able to freeze, with no stores or access to the ocean no salt or jars for preserving...

so do you guys till, maintain, and harvest with no oil ran equipment... if so your lucky not many can...

certainly people with large scale agricultural experience will be of great value when the SHTF, but again if you cant scavenge your meals youll likely die cause itll be hard to even farm initially with the huge flood of people from metropolitan areas and the lack of power, oil, equipment...

another problem is you have to protect a huge farm... with a food shortage and all people are likely to try to steal your crops to sustain their lives.




who.d

 

[Maria_Vanessa]

Even if you don't believe in the collapse of society, growing your own food is beneficial because you know where your food comes from. If there is an outbreak of E.coli, it can take the FDA several weeks or longer to try the find the origin of the outbreak.

 

[bentom187]

ill never say anythings impossable ,superposition in physics doesnt allows this......
we can make life as easy as you would like to make it for your neighbors,and then youll be taken care of by the people around you,but untill we say its possable .....keep relying on the dollar or whatever they say is worth somthing ..up

 

[stellblue]

Who said the world was coming to an end? We're talking about what's going on right now in many countries all across the world. In other countries they call it "news". But for some reason few in the US MSM talk about food insecurity. Populations across Asia are on the move due to food & water shortages. Shortages are caused when the price of food rises too fast in comparison to the cost of living, meaning food prices rise to high for people to afford to buy them...food insecurity.

Couldn't have said it better myself...thanks gramps...

I'm not talking about the world coming to an end or 2012. That's you putting words in our mouths. I'm talking about commodity inflation driving the price of food higher because of monetary easing. It's economics. Not Y2K doomsday shit.

Do you dispute the fact that the price of food is going up? Do you understand why all asset classes and commodities are inflating to record levels right now? Hyperinflation doesn't mean the end of the world. lmao. It means the begining of a new monetary system. Monetary systems have collapsed before you know and we are still here. People who warned of the 2008 housing crash were called the same things you are calling us. Yet, in our hubris we think everything is fine this time around. That's called insanity. You are doing the same f'ing thing, but expecting a different result. Except the bubble being created right now will be the last......for this system. We will still be here lol. Granted everything may look a little bit different.

Your probably right though. We should keep up what we are doing. Fuck the third world. Let them starve so that we can enjoy our iPads and McMansions and inflated stock prices. This kind of blind wanton ignorance and greed will be a bitch when karma comes back around.

 

[LovableHuggable]

unless you live in an environment that provides ice you wont be able to freeze, with no stores or access to the ocean no salt or jars for preserving...

so do you guys till, maintain, and harvest with no oil ran equipment... if so your lucky not many can...

certainly people with large scale agricultural experience will be of great value when the SHTF, but again if you cant scavenge your meals youll likely die cause itll be hard to even farm initially with the huge flood of people from metropolitan areas and the lack of power, oil, equipment...

another problem is you have to protect a huge farm... with a food shortage and all people are likely to try to steal your crops to sustain their lives.




who.d

It can be done. My mother was born in 48. It wasn't until 64 when they got electricity and indoor plumbing yet they never starved. Plenty of beans, sometimes bread, rarely meat but didn't starve. I'm pretty sure after learning from her and the rest of the family I can make it without a ton of effort. Just need the wells to hold up.

 

[stellblue]

illegal to harvest rainwater in CO? Is the state owned & governed by a water cabal? That's some crazy politics.

all great stuff. on the other hand in places like colorado it is illegal to harvest rain water. i know it's bullshit but its true. sucks IMHO

 

[SpasticGramps]

I guess the World Bank President is paranoid and deluded too?

World Bank: Food prices at "dangerous levels"

WASHINGTON (AP) -- World Bank President Robert Zoellick says global food prices have hit "dangerous levels" that could contribute to political instability, push millions of people into poverty and raise the cost of groceries.

The bank says in a new report that global food prices have jumped 29 percent in the past year, and are just 3 percent below the all-time peak hit in 2008. Zoellick says the rising prices have hit people hardest in the developing world because they spend as much as half their income on food.

The World Bank estimates higher prices for corn, wheat and oil have pushed 44 million people into extreme poverty since last June.

Zoellick said he expects food prices to continue to rise, and that export bans and weather disruptions are partly to blame.

He conveniently leaves out the effect of global monetary easing, specifically the debasing of the reserve currency and market speculation on commodities using the influx of free money.

That is something that WE could control to help food price stabilization and stop the destruction. This has to start with Americans. We have the world's reserve currency and are sitting idly by while it is destroyed. It has to start with us restoring monetary sanity, but it's not going to IMO. We have too many people who don't give a shit to learn how our policies effect ourselves much less others around the world. If it's not directly effecting our personal lives at this very instant we are too apathetic and uneducated to care. We are completely obedient to the MSM and government. What they tell us is what we believe and if it's not effecting our personal lives we don't care to learn about it. Or better yet if we speak out against the national dogma we are labeled crazy and deluded by lemmings. Fuck that.

By continuing to drive food inflation higher and higher people will starve and go hungry. America's unwillingness to deal with economic pain by injecting massive amounts of liquidity into the market to prop up a failed system will lead to people starving in the third world first. All so we can enjoy this illusion of prosperity for a few more years before it comes apart. This will be our genocide. Apathy to the situation is no different than having blood on your hands IMO.

 

[motaco]

On a slightly different note. Relating to whodares post. So you guys don't think its paranoid or delusional to plan food crops for an upcoming crisis. What about firearms? As whodare mentioned growing crops will be quite easy in comparison to protecting them from marauders.

If growing the crops in plans of the catastrophe isn't paranoid is stocking up firearms to protect said crop paranoid?

That is a rhetorical question before any of you bother to answer. I mean how far are you going to go with this line of thinking?

 

[hunt4genetics]

I love this thread!
Great info here.
Really if you have the land, why not grow some crops.
If you live in an apartment, do the best you can.
Never let anyone tell you what you can and can not do.
Food security is an issue we all must face.

Tis better to have and not need, than to need and not have.

 

[turbolaser4528]

I think times are tough, food prices are on the rise, and the way we live as a species in currently unsustainable. However, this is how I see the near future;

"Green building is becoming so prevalent these days that it may not be enough to erect individual eco buildings anymore - the newest trend is entire eco-cities. Expected to be up and running in 2020, Tianjin Eco-City is one of these real-life sustainable communities, spanning 30 square kilometers and showcasing the hottest energy-saving technologies. Designed by Surbana Urban Planning Group, the city will have an advanced light rail transit system and varied eco-landscapes ranging from a sun-powered solarscape to a greenery-clad earthscape for its estimated 350,000 residents to enjoy."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/13/tianjin-eco-city_n_806972.html#s221860

Here's a list of sustainable cities all over the world,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_city#Australia




We can call each-other delusional till were blue in the face, but there's 3 sides to every story.

 

[Maria_Vanessa]

I love this thread!
Great info here.
Really if you have the land, why not grow some crops.
If you live in an apartment, do the best you can.
Never let anyone tell you what you can and can not do.
Food security is an issue we all must face.

Tis better to have and not need, than to need and not have.

You said it. I live in a tiny apartment. But that still won't stop me from growing potatoes and onions and tomatos and garlic in two 30 gallon sized trash cans. and it doesn't take much to look for other gardeners in your area that wouldn't mind trading food and swaping seeds.

 

[paladin420]

Hey y'all !!! Lets not forget It all just tastes better,lots better. If it does turn to a total time of suckage and you see my lights on and smell the home cooking? Carefully knock on the door "ICMAG" is the only password you need. " I got buds,this is just my sister/cousin" will probally work also!! Happy plantin