Working in cattails:

[fortitude]

I finally joined so I could use the forum search function and couldn’t quite find what I was looking for.

When working in cattails, does late season cattail browning make plants stick out to an unacceptable degree from an aerial point of view? It seems that neon light green and dark green varieties don’t fit in with late season brown cattails and reeds.

If anyone does work in cattails what is your preferred hole method in a high water table environment? I don’t plan on using swamp tubes or smart pots.

 

[i grow]

Id like to know more on this to.

 

[señorsloth]

well unless you live in a high traffic area like humbolt you probably will never see a weed killing helicopter, i know i never have...problem solved...

pot stays green till you kill it, most everything else turns brown, if somebody wants to fly around where you are growing and look for plants there isn't a whole lot you can do about it...just don't grow pot outside if they use helicopters to search where you live...grow inside like an adult...if the search function doesn't work, try google, or the bookstore...

 

[strawbrrygirl]

All right maybe i can answer some of these Legit questions!! Cattails grow in extremely wet conditions so you really cant dig a plot in them! But around the edges you can usally find sme good soil or check where the water source is coming from and do a little recon! Smart pots might work well but when it rains cattails are allways flooded! If the choppers are watchin they will stick out!! Ohh yea in those wet conditions SLUGS are gonna murder your plants so be prepared for sometimes a unwinable battle! Sorry if I sound negative but thats the truth to cattails! Look for highground around the cattails!!! GOOD LUCK SBG OUT

 

[greennuggets7]

well unless you live in a high traffic area like humbolt you probably will never see a weed killing helicopter, i know i never have...problem solved...

pot stays green till you kill it, most everything else turns brown, if somebody wants to fly around where you are growing and look for plants there isn't a whole lot you can do about it...just don't grow pot outside if they use helicopters to search where you live...grow inside like an adult...if the search function doesn't work, try google, or the bookstore...

There are a ton of places that fund mj eradication efforts It's not only places like Humbolt that get searched, and some people prefer to grow outside be it security, availability, or just plain because they fucking feel like it, not because they aren't "adults'

 

[i grow]

What about making a small raft sittin your pots on top and running wicks down into the water? is that possible to even do?

 

[greennuggets7]

igrow that would be pretty bad ass. I think it would work as long as you as you have perfectly calm water, and remember to anchor them. If I lived some where more remote I'd be willing to try it even if just for shits and giggles.

Outdoor Hydroponics

Ingenuity is the key to the game

 

[Jaymer]

especially around cattails. they're always in water and cannabis will not blend in with them extremely well but it is better than nothing and at least they will be able to stay somewhat covered while getting plenty of sun.

 

[i grow]

Ive thought about doing the raft thing in real thick cattails for awhile now just didnt know if it would work.and as far as blending goes these cats are very tall and thick.if i would train them sideways to keep them same hight or lower it may just work,and be hidden?

 

[i grow]

You could even lay dead grass and such on the raft to camo it in a way!

 

[strawbrrygirl]

When someone comes up with this! It needs to be called CANNA_CANOE or REEFER RAFT!!!!LOL:yay:

 

[Stress_test]

well unless you live in a high traffic area like humbolt you probably will never see a weed killing helicopter, i know i never have...problem solved...

etc. etc. ...

I'll be nice... Even tho it is my impression that the individual who posted the above was strenuously attempting to be a dickhead...

well unless you live in a high traffic area like humbolt you probably will never see a weed killing helicopter, i know i never have...problem solved...

I live in a VERY remote area of WA state, and the sheriff chopper flies daily over the area. It is rather ignorant to suggest that LEO only flies high traffic areas, history has proven otherwise.

pot stays green till you kill it, most everything else turns brown, if somebody wants to fly around where you are growing and look for plants there isn't a whole lot you can do about it...

Again, a rather ignorantly uneducated conclusion. Pot changes color as it nears finishing it's lifespan. In fact:

The National Guard Bureau Counterdrug Office (NGB-CD), through the Counterdrug Geographical Regional Assessment Sensor System (CD-GRASS) program, lead by the Georgia Tech Research Institute, is incorporating an innovative blend of GIS, digital mapping, enhanced visualization, virtual reality, electro-optics, sensor fusion, modeling and simulation, data acquisition, and other operational assessment technologies.
As part of the CD-GRASS program, the National Guard Bureau Counterdrug Office (NGB-CD) has also funded the University of Southern Mississippi's Center for Higher Learning (USM-CHL) to design and build a Decision Support System (DSS). The goal of this DSS is to develop a system that will increase the efficiency of the planning and conduct of marijuana eradication operations. The ultimate users of the DSS will be the State DLEAs, and the National Guard Counterdrug personnel in support of counterdrug operations. One of the fundamental problems relating to the eradication of marijuana cultivated outdoors is the size of the search area relative to the available resources. The 'heart' of the DSS will be a rule-based expert system module that identifies areas with a high potential for marijuana cultivation. Quote: CD-GRASS

Source: http://www.ars.usda.gov/researc...
Interpretive Summary: Successful detection of outdoor illegal Cannabis cultivation with remote sensing would be of considerable help to law enforcement agencies. It is assumed that remote sensing will rely on the spectral signatures of Cannabis plant canopies as the primary indicator. The spectral reflectance of Cannabis was examined using laboratory, field and airborne measurements. Results thus far include: 1) leaf and canopy spectral reflectance of Cannabis exhibit characteristics of other green plants, 2) nadir spectral signatures do not have stable, unique absorption features suitable for a reference signature, 3) the "emerald green" (blue-green) color of Cannabis results from specular reflectance of blue sky light and small particle scattering from microscopic structures on the surface of Cannabis leaves, 4) spectral contrast between Cannabis and other plant canopies appears most significant for green, red edge and short wave infrared wavelengths, 5) spectral contrasts between Cannabis and tree species appear greater than spectral differences with other herbaceous species, 6) isolation of Cannabis canopy spectral signatures during land cover classification may be difficult using visible-near infrared systems, and 7) researchers investigating detection technologies must be kept aware of the trends of growers to conceal sites. Analysis of the essential elements of information associated with illegal Cannabis cultivation offers other possibilities for detection with remote sensing. Ultimately, remote sensing will be most effective when used with a probability-of-occurrence/Cannabis cultivation site prediction model from the Counter Drug & Geographical Regional Assessment Sensor System (CD-GRASS).

Like I previously said: "It is my impression that the individual who posted the above was strenuously attempting to be a dickhead..."
It is also my opinion that there was nothing of intellectual value in the entire post and that the individual who posted it accomplished nothing more than making everybody who reads it considerably more stupid for having wasted their time.

just don't grow pot outside if they use helicopters to search where you live...grow inside like an adult...if the search function doesn't work, try google, or the bookstore...

?
Most of the worlds supply of pot is grown outdoors.
The search function DOES work... But apparently only for ICMag members.
Google sucks.

igrow that would be pretty bad ass. I think it would work as long as you as you have perfectly calm water, and remember to anchor them. If I lived some where more remote I'd be willing to try it even if just for shits and giggles.

Outdoor Hydroponics

Ingenuity is the key to the game

That would be really interesting to do. I was thinking about a grow a friend of mine done. He planted in a peat bog using pots which he partly buried into the soggy bog and let the water wick up to his plants.

 

[i grow]

Just some food for thought

 

[fisher]

hey dude,
ive grown in cattails and with rafts and wicks,
a couple of tips,
if you let your plants yellow some in they fall they do blend and cattials are green untill fall,
with wicks and any material u use around water make sure they are synthetic as natural fibers wont even make a year, with potting situation , if you want to be where there is water, the whole or most of the season , try building benches or a raft, i use dead saplings as wood , cut them close to the ground and cover the cut with moss, and carry in ..
anyways good luck , and the bonus of being close to water is being close to water!

 

[Claude Hopper]

he bonus of being close to water is being close to water!

along with mud, mosquitoes and massasaugas helping to limit traffic.

 

[hush]

^ Don't forget about gators and moccassins! Seriously, this is a good way to grow, because most people don't want to be tromping through swamplands and cattails. If you can brave the mosquitos, snakes, gators, and/or whatever else you might encounter, then there's a good chance no one will ever find your crop.

 

[two heads]

I'm a long time swamp grower and consider them as good as it gets for security. As long as you grow a small number of plants at each site, they will blend in just fine from the air, even in cattails. There are a lot of good swamp threads on icmag. Here's a quick summary of my recommendations:
1. Grow in garbage pails or Rubbermaid tubs. Drill holes in the bottom but don't remove the bottom - you may need to move the container to accommodate changing water levels.
2. Don't try to use local soil. Haul in ProMix. You may also consider Osmocote and Aquasorb if you want to try a no-visit or minimal-visit site.
3. Use cut cattails and dogwood as a mulch and to help camo your plot from the air. Dead branches poking out of your plot block little light but create a natural looking view from above.
4. Slugs can be an issue. Use every means at your disposal - copper, slug bait, diatomaceous earth, etc.

 

[nameless]

i just wanted to add that you could use true autos or the iranian auto to keep plants smaller and get them out of there before fall. some useful information in here thanks for sharing guys. like the raft idea. saw a video not too long ago of a guy growing about 30 feet up in trees. standard pots with blumat like auto watering devices ran to 5 gal. buckets of water. were only limited by our imaginations.

 

[paladin420]

pots with rock wool out the drain holes. Hydroton 2-3 inches.good black gold.dig the pots a little way in the ground 4-6 inches. plants so nice it took 4 fuckin cops to carry each one of them out after the helicopter spotted them. hope this is helpful.I kno I learned alot -

 

[fortitude]

Greetings all! Thanks for the input.

My jurisdiction is neither good nor bad when it comes to helos. It’s important to consider private planes and persons that could inform or steal. I was curious of what other Bushmen thought of wetlands and how our plant sticks out.

I read that most of you work in wet swamps/cattails. I believe I found a unique type of “upper” wetlands. I can’t quite classify this area, it looks like a swamp however there’s never much or any standing water in the spring. It’s more of a drainage crotch of two mountains and a hill that is the start of a substantial ravine with light water movement year round downstream. I would estimate this “upper crotch” to be 10 +/- acres with open canopy, high water table, some dead trees with vine, some earthen mounds and raised cattail mounds. I don’t believe it floods at all.

All the various ecological transitions from mounds and low spots to the forest boarder with full sun is just marvelous. I surveyed years ago and last year but didn’t do a shovel analysis. In the arable spots expect highly organic soil that may or may not be stagnant, I anticipate the later.

I planned on utilizing slug traps, bait and copper.

There are deer and small critters in the area. I just need to get the plant established and I’m golden.