raising and lowering ph

[ganjah shaman]

thats because its in scientific terms so they dont tell you what they are using to deliver the terpnoids.Im telling you that you can use fruit,not only that you can use any terpenoid,thus A.Ns bloom booster,check out there data on delivery systems.

 

[ganjah shaman]

ya ya you guys have been ripping me on my grammar all along.I know it sucks its the only reason i didnt maintain a 4.o in college,but im still conveying science that is sound,tested, and proven.

 

[ganjah shaman]

come on sgt,do you think i gave up that link so you could check out what some spunyon said about astro projection.Its the science you need to pay attention to,and that post gives you over a hundred different references that you can research.Thats what will teach you about what im saying,you all sitting here trying to argue with me is ridicules im right,look into it.

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

GS,
Here's a link to Argus Controls nutrient dosing handbook.
http://www.arguscontrols.com/articles/Argus_Nutrient_Dosing_Handbook.pdf
There's lots of good information about raising and lowing pH, basic water chemistry and nutrient uptake. 92 pages of reading for your superior mind.
I suggest you take a look at the basics us simpletons all understand.

How about we get back on topic about your "nuet" and "clear" tanks requiring so much pH up/down to balance.
Mind sharing your secret deluxe nute solution with us, and giving us some specific info on your "clear" pH, EC, alkalinity, hardness like I asked maybe 100 posts ago?

 

[yosun]

ph up

ph up

i melt snow or gather rain water and use it with soil,usually its a little over 6,but the most recent snow melt,is in the mid 5's can i mabye add a quart of tap(high 7's) per gallon of low ph'd water to raise the ph for my soil plants?

 

[ganjah shaman]

look i apologies if i made myself out to be the god of all grow knowledge,thats not what im about,but when disco biscuit said terpenoid,he named the word that has been me and my buddies passions for 6 yrs man,man not only can they be used to change the smell of a plant ,they can alter canibinoid production, increase potency,size, color,its crazy..so ya i know about this but im not claiming that i know everything.
i originally started out this post seeking alternate organic means to raise my pH,Stated my situation very clearly and got a whole lot of confusion from pretty much everyone simply because they did not read the info.
db got off subject and a bunch of bs came and i laid down the facts concerning my claim.Im not gonna put all my research on here,all that data and references and shit its a lot off stuff,i figured if i pointed you guys in the right direction you could figure it out.
actually i assumed that this info was pretty much known,we first heard about the technique from old school humboldt growers who have been arround for 40 yrs or more.
pretty much everyone knows that cannabis will absorb the scent of its surroundings,at least from where im from.

 

[ganjah shaman]

sorry

 

[ganjah shaman]

i melt snow or gather rain water and use it with soil,usually its a little over 6,but the most recent snow melt,is in the mid 5's can i mabye add a quart of tap(high 7's) per gallon of low ph'd water to raise the ph for my soil plants?[/quote

if you ad anything higher than the 5s your reading it will raise your ph unless you are using hydro,this is a soil thread you might want to ask that q on a hydro thread

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

look i apologies if i made myself out to be the god of all grow knowledge,thats not what im about,but when disco biscuit said terpenoid,he named the word that has been me and my buddies passions for 6 yrs man,man not only can they be used to change the smell of a plant ,they can alter canibinoid production, increase potency,size, color,its crazy..so ya i know about this but im not claiming that i know everything.

wrong...

i originally started out this post seeking alternate organic means to raise my pH,Stated my situation very clearly and got a whole lot of confusion from pretty much everyone simply because they did not read the info.

because your posts read like an endless train.

db got off subject and a bunch of bs came and i laid down the facts concerning my claim.

you got off the subject, pal. You know, pH adjustment vs whacked idea.

Im not gonna put all my research on here,all that data and references and shit its a lot off stuff,i figured if i pointed you guys in the right direction you could figure it out.
actually i assumed that this info was pretty much known,we first heard about the technique from old school humboldt growers who have been arround for 40 yrs or more.
pretty much everyone knows that cannabis will absorb the scent of its surroundings,at least from where im from.

Like Sarge said, nothing you cited backs up your assumptions. In fact, your citations back what others have told you repeatedly.

As far as name calling, you're passing a few yourself.

NOBODY has to add 4x GH pH UP but YOU.

NO PICTURES

5x yield

blah blah blah...

gangah sham an

 

[ganjah shaman]

my ec runs high between 3.2 and 5,my ppm tds and ph have already been posted

 

[ganjah shaman]

sorry DB but you are wrong,all the science is on the board,and you can check out these universities and there research if you want.Purdue,harvard,washington state,oregon st ucla,humboldt state university.they are all doing research into this subject and they have all you need to know.All you guys are doing is bumping your gums and disrespecting imag,your not proving anything or disproving anything.Like i said im right and there is nothing you can do about it,except that,get over it,and move on

 

[ganjah shaman]

here is another site you can check out
http://www.mcdb.lsa.umich.edu/labs/pichersky/references/Scentengineering.pdf

 

[cannascholar]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but relatively clean and highly concentrated sulfuric acid can be gotten from hardware stores. I saw some yesterday at a huge Ace. It will be in a plastic bag with lots of warning labels on it and may mention sulfuric acid. Much cheaper then battery acid.

 

[the gnome]

don't know if this has been mentioned already but be very aware of whats in the type of industrial use
type acids used
stuff like for batteries or sulfuric acids for use in plumbing clogs can have extremely toxic heavy metals like cadium
that are highly carcinogenic.

other than whats approved for hydro/grows mite be safer considering something like pool grade muratic acid for Ph adjustment.
something to think about

 

[kmk420kali]

So GS....are you saying that if you water a strawberry bush with grape juice...it will taste like a grape??

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I believe he is...

 

[ganjah shaman]

Flower scent. The scent of cut flowers is important to consumers, and a recent trend in the cut flower sector of the industry is the introduction of "old-fashioned" varieties, marketed because of their strong scent. The re-introduction of perfume into varieties which have no scent, or the transfer of scent from one species to another is an intriguing potential application of genetic modification (Lewinsohn et ai, 2003; van Schie et ai, 2006; Zuker et ai, 2002). The analysis of floral scent is well understood (Knudson et ai, 1993) and the genes coding for biochemical pathways leading to the biosynthesis of some of the chemicals that compromise scent are now being elucidated (Aharoni et ai, 2006; Aharoni et ai, 2003; Dudareva et ai, 2006; Guterman et ai, 2002). S-linalool is found in the scents of many flowers and the gene coding for S-linalool synthase (LIS) was first isolated from Clarkia breweri in 1996. Since then many structural genes that involved in floral scents have been isolated from C. breweri, Antirinum majus, Arabidopsis thaliana and petunia as summarized by Schnepp and Dudareva (2006). Several genes involved in scent formation in flowers of rose species used in the perfume industry have also been characterized (Guterman et ai, 2002; Lewinsohn et ai, 2003).

 

[ganjah shaman]

Flavonoid Biosynthesis Pathway

The water-soluble flavonoids are the most common pigments in flowers and are responsible for a range of colors from yellow to red to violet to blue. Flavonoids absorb UV-B and thus can protect plant organs from UV-damage (Ryan et al., 2001). Flavonoids are also antioxidant and scavenge radicals that are formed from various biotic and abiotic processes. It is this antioxidant activity that is thought to have a role in supporting human health and well- being. Some flavonoids are also inhibitory to insect feeding and they play a role in interactions with microorganisms (Harborne and Williams, 2000).

The flavonoids are secondary metabolites, and have a C6-C3-C6 structure derived from the phenylpropanoid pathway. The flavonoids are classified into dozens of groups depending on their structure. Among these groups the chalcones, aurones, anthocyanins, flavones, and flavonols are the major compounds contributing to flower color. Flavones and flavonols are almost colorless to the human eye but they may form complexes with anthocyanins. This complex formation causes a bathchromic shift (bluer and deeper color) to the anthocyanin molecules in the complex. For this reason flavones and flavonols are described as co-pigments (Goto, 1987). Flavonoids are synthesized and glucosylated in the cytosol and then transported to vacuoles, where the acidic conditions stabilize the colored anthocyanins. Since the biosynthetic pathway and the enzymes involved in the flavonoid biosynthesis pathway have been reviewed (Forkmann and Heller, 1999; Grotewold, 2006; Tanaka et al., 2006), a brief summary of the biosynthesis of the important chemicals is provided here. The part of the flavonoid biosynthesis pathway associated with flavonoid-based pigment accumulation in flowers is provided at Figure 2.

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[ganjah shaman]

Chalcones. The chemical 2', 4, 4',6'-Tetrahydroxy chalcone (THC) is the first common precursor of all flavonoids and is synthesized from one molecule of coumaroyl-CoA and three molecules of malonyl CoA. The reaction is catalyzed by the enzyme chalcone synthase (CHS). THC is a pale yellow color, but is unstable and is converted to naringenin by the reaction of chalcone isomerase (CHI) in vivo (Figure 2). THC (and so a yellow color) can be stabilized by 2'- glucosylation, and glucosylated THC compound is known to occur in carnation, peony, and cyclamen. Genes coding for THC 2'- glucosyltransferase have recently been isolated (Ogata et al., 2004; Nakamura et al., 2004). Chalcone reductase (CHR) catalyzes de- oxylation at the opposition of THC to stabilize the chalcone. Expression of a legume CHR gene in petunia yielded transgenic plants with a very pale yellow flower color (Davies et al., 1998; Tanaka et al., 2005).

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[ganjah shaman]

Carotenoid Biosynthesis Pathway

Carotenoids are C-40 tetraterpenoids with polyene chains that are lipid soluble and are located in plastids or derivatives thereof (Grotewold, 2006; Tanaka and Brugliera, 2006). More than 700 natural carotenoids have been identified (Grotewold, 2006). They share the terpenoid biosynthetic pathway with monoterpenes (many are fragrance compounds), the plant hormones gibberellins, and phytosterols. Carotenoids are essential for photosynthesis and contribute to the majority of yellow to orange hues in a number of flowers, including rose and chrysanthemum.