Few questions about seeds and males..

[daheadies]

Hello everyone,
My friends have a Querkle that they thought was female turn out to be male. Since they thought it was female, they kept it in veg till it was about 3.5 feet tall, and then it dropped balls and pollen before my friends noticed. The pollen stuck to the plants in veg and wound up producing 3-25 beans (that have been found so far) on almost every plant.
So my questions are:

1. If a male drops its balls before being put into flowering, is this the same as a female autoflowering? Does this mean it has the autoflower trait? Is it a hermie? Could it have dropped balls and pollen because it was rootbound? Is this pollen and the beans it produced going to be potentially good?
-sidenote: all 5 female querkles my friends have popped so far are extreamly dank/smell amazing/ taste amazing/ look amazing/ trichrome production galore/ super dark purple/ good yield

2. If beans are underdeveloped/ a little bit green (most that I collected looked super healthy, dark, hard) will that affect germination rate only? Or can it affect the genetics of the bean/ maybe make it a retard plant?

 

[daheadies]

Just for whoever curious, The beans that I have collected so far that look good enough to germ (which they are right now, hope its worth it) are Querkle crossed with:

CSG Chem Jones (EXTREME CHEMDOG SMELL pheno)

CSG Secret Recipe (Smells like strawberries, but is not the purple pheno)

Blackberry Kush (EXTREME BLACKBERRY SMELL pheno)

Blackberry Kush (Kush tasting pheno, smell is a hybrid smell)

Nightshade

SOL Blue Satellite 2.2 x OG Kush (Good amount of blue color)

Blue Diesel (seed version, not clone only version, has shades of blue here and there, tastes great)

 

[trichrider]

1. no, no, no, no, yes
2. only germination; genetics are already set.

congratulations, you're going to be a daddy. go daddy!

 

[daheadies]

Thank you Trichrider! your awesome!

 

[trichrider]

not awesome, just paying it forward...good luck and play ball.

 

[daheadies]

One more question, can P.M. be transferred from parents into seed?

 

[Baba Ku]

The line of Querkle is notorious for expressing the intersex trait. This means that it matters not how the seeds came about, they will also show a high tendency to hermie.

And no, pm is not systemic.

 

[daheadies]

So is intersex the same as hermie?

 

[highonmt]

So is intersex the same as hermie?

Yes it's also call Subdioecy which means (the occurrence of monoecious (having both male and female sex organs=hermaphrodite) individuals and dioecious (pure male and pure female)individuals within the same population. The method of Cannabis sexual expression is one of the most complicated in the plant world.
HM

 

[Baba Ku]

Well, actually the hermaphrodite is the only perfect cannabis flower and only a true hermaphrodite will have both male stamen and female pistols at each and every flower site.
These are quite rare in my experience.

Just because a female shows some stamen does not make it a hermaphrodite. It has only expressed the intersex mechanism.

 

[daheadies]

Baba- What do you mean when you say "the perfect cannabis flower"


Thank you Trichrider and baba (answered in PM) and thank you highonmt for your response!

 

[Baba Ku]

A perfect flower produces parts that allow it to reproduce itself.
Even with the existence of the hermaphrodite, we still must consider cannabis an imperfect flower.

 

[highonmt]

Well, actually the hermaphrodite is the only perfect cannabis flower and only a true hermaphrodite will have both male stamen and female pistols at each and every flower site.
These are quite rare in my experience.

Just because a female shows some stamen does not make it a hermaphrodite. It has only expressed the intersex mechanism.

I'll have to disagree with you. There are no "perfect" flowers on any cannabis plant. The word intersex and hermaphrodite are synonyms; the former developed recently to remove the pejorative connotations of the word hermaphrodite among us humans. The word hermaphrodite is very misleading in the context of cannabis as this plant population is generally described as Subdioecious, or having both monoecious (both male flowers and female flowers on the same plant) individuals and dioecious (having only male or female flowers) individuals. A plant described as a hermaphrodite would be normally monoesious eg. Zea Maize. The is a good paper from 2000 "boys and girls come out to play" http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/86/2/211.full.pdf+html

So just because a female is producing male flowers does make that individual monoecious.

There are some populations of cannabis that have been described as dioecious but recent discoveries indicate this probably not to be the case. I was a botanist at the U and with the USDA in an earlier life and a few days of reading all these papers on hemp breeding makes me want to fire up my new breeding rooms right now...but I'll wait till the paint dries, and the ductwork is installed...Oh and that wiki doc I posted has links to some great recent papers on cannabis botany.
Cheers,
HM

 

[daheadies]

thanks for the link and info..
Anyone else have any input/ should I maybe only plant a few in fear that they might and prob will be hermie?

 

[highonmt]

thanks for the link and info..
Anyone else have any input/ should I maybe only plant a few in fear that they might and prob will be hermie?

It sounds like you had a male(dioesious) plant to start with right? I would pop the heck out of em. Test a few at a time some might be monoesious (hermie) just kill em and keep going you could hit the jackpot...Cheers,
HM

 

[daheadies]

Yes the male I believe was mis-identified as a female.. But since it dropped its pollen in veg i never got to see if it would have female flowers..
Anyone know if DJ Shorts flo has a reputation for having intersex traits. Out of my 3 phenos that are in flower, I have had 2 of them start dropping balls in veg. I pulled the ones that were dropping balls. The weird thing is i had cloned all 3 phenos, and the clones of the phenos that originally dropped balls in veg didnt drop balls again after I put them in flower.. so weird..
Also, I just read that "Boys and Girls" article.. Its great! explains differnce between hermie and monoecious and diocious very well...

So what was it that caused it to drop pollen before being put into flower??? If it was a monoecious plant (which could be possible.. Maybe it was female on the bottom where it was first identified, then male on top (I dont think my friends remember..) then would that make likihood of more monoecious plants in its prodigy?

 

[highonmt]

Yes the male I believe was mis-identified as a female.. But since it dropped its pollen in veg i never got to see if it would have female flowers..
Anyone know if DJ Shorts flo has a reputation for having intersex traits. Out of my 3 phenos that are in flower, I have had 2 of them start dropping balls in veg. I pulled the ones that were dropping balls. The weird thing is i had cloned all 3 phenos, and the clones of the phenos that originally dropped balls in veg didnt drop balls again after I put them in flower.. so weird..
Also, I just read that "Boys and Girls" article.. Its great! explains differnce between hermie and monoecious and diocious very well...

So what was it that caused it to drop pollen before being put into flower??? If it was a monoecious plant (which could be possible.. Maybe it was female on the bottom where it was first identified, then male on top (I dont think my friends remember..) then would that make likihood of more monoecious plants in its prodigy?

The answer is in DJ's genetic selections and or your growing environment, perhaps a ruderalis was used? or perhaps they have they been stressed badly? I've never seen this problem; and I really don't have any experience with dj's gear(I'd like to though). I don't doubt this problem exists tho cannabis is full of suprises... Heck just pop em and see what you get man you've got some cool sounding crosses in hand just watch the for balls in the veg room...cheers,

HM