need help with an experiment

[dingbat]

i kind of made a mistake while i was making qwiso the other day. I accidently put a bunch of boiling water into the wrong dish (the one containing my qwiso tincture) i left it for a while without noticing. when i scraped the plate i thought was my oil dish i got no oil so i frantically began to search for the right plate. When i found it all the oil was at the bottom and i was able to just pour all the water out and scrape the oil. it was delicious.

so that leads me to this question. if you make a batch of qwiso and instead of letting it evaporate add boiling water to the tincture, wait for the oil and iso to seperate, then pour out all the water/iso will you still get the same yield? can someone please try this if they have some spare trim. this process could save a lot of time if done properly. my sucessful attempt was an accident and i dont have extra stuff to throw around trying it again.

thanks i appreciate any info you guys can throw my way.

 

[David762]

Sounds like you did A-Okay ...

Sounds like you did A-Okay ...

i kind of made a mistake while i was making qwiso the other day. I accidently put a bunch of boiling water into the wrong dish (the one containing my qwiso tincture) i left it for a while without noticing. when i scraped the plate i thought was my oil dish i got no oil so i frantically began to search for the right plate. When i found it all the oil was at the bottom and i was able to just pour all the water out and scrape the oil. it was delicious.

so that leads me to this question. if you make a batch of qwiso and instead of letting it evaporate add boiling water to the tincture, wait for the oil and iso to seperate, then pour out all the water/iso will you still get the same yield? can someone please try this if they have some spare trim. this process could save a lot of time if done properly. my sucessful attempt was an accident and i dont have extra stuff to throw around trying it again.

thanks i appreciate any info you guys can throw my way.

Sounds like you did A-Okay ... a happy mis-calculation.
Adding the boiling hot water may very well have helped with carbolizing the THC. Since you started with the QWISO method, there wasn't likely any chlorophyl or much in the way of waxes to interfere with the end product. Since isopropyl alcohol is soluble in H2O, there is a good chance that at least some of your product was poured out with the H2O. I would stick to using the boiling hot H2O as a separate water bath (double boiler fashion), rather than a H2O rinse cycle.

 

[dingbat]

thank you. i just found the mishap very interesting and needed more info. hard to find info on that kind of thing. this is my favourite place to share and look for information on this type of subject.

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

I have done this many times with bHO. all you do it leave a small ammt of water at the bottom of the evap tray. and do your extaction into that, the oil separates and stays on top of the water. Its cool cause when its wet its really easy to handle, you can scrape it all up real quick on a flimsy old grocery store card. I think the clean butane evaporates all the way but I still purge it by doing a separate heat treatment before whipping it into budder.

 

[Cannasylum]

what do you normally yield without adding water and what did you get with adding water? I have only used the BHO method but am sure adding water to the mixture will slow the evaporation of the iso and the drainage is sure to contain the good stuff. Its worth trying a controlled experiment with but will say if you use water, my opinion is that it should only be used to double boil the mixture to prevent loss of product.

 

[dingbat]

well the whole idea is that oil is not water soluble but iso is. so if you add enough water it should remove all of the iso from the oil therefore you do not need to evaporate whats left but just remove the water/iso mix, and the ideal outcome is that the oil is all left behind. though i could use the opinion of someone with a little more chemistry than me.

 

[Gray Wolf]

I've extracted BHO and dumped it directly into a dish of warm water, as an experiment before, but don't usually do that.

It worked out fine, but the reason that I don't usually do that, is because I found easier methods, with less process loss for the meds that we produce.

For a straightforward BHO oil extraction for smoking or vaporization, it would be hard to beat HMK's original procedure, but for oral or sublingual meds, check out my procedure injecting into a Bain Marie to exclude even atmospheric moisture.

I have also added water when boiling off BHO, but found it unnecessary for butane, though helpful to purge off Hexane.

If you cook BHO at 250F until quiescent, with a boiling point of 30F, the butane is long gone, though in my experience, at 124F boiling point, Hexane or Naptha still benefits from adding water.

 

[jump117]

I have one observation which is relevant to your idea.
It is alarming that the residual alcohol will be replaced by the residual water.

Of course, water does not dissolve the resin and not even wet it,
amber chip can float on the surface, held by surface tension, but a piece of amber will sink.
Accordingly, amber melted in the hot water was observed as a film on the surface or in the form of a melt puddle at the bottom.

Then it was collected from water and dried at 70°C / 158°F,
water dried up, amber melt without bubbles, and was finally collected.

In the thick amber naked eye could not see the water droplets, but they were there,
and when smoking micro explosions cracked and sprayed around the melt resin.

I think that these droplets could get inside by mechanical mixing,
and they are there in the micro cavity, like the air in the budder.
I did not come back to the experiments with water and made no attempt to improve drying,

About the same time I’ve read ICMag thread about the mold on the BHO.
There was expressed suspicion of involvement of water in its appearance,
as in standing water is often an unwanted life.

 

[dingbat]

thanks for the info. the oil i did this way did not seem to have any added moisture from the process, nor did it crackle. tastes delicious, i was quite suprised.

 

[jump117]

I am happy to learn about this success and definitely try to do it again