Soil. PH problems? Deficiencys..

[eastcoastbuds]

So I went with foxfarm OF for my new clones to start mother plants. They took forever to start growing and i got this leaf curl on all my new growth. So figured it was too strong and it needed to be "cut". So i got a bag of coco a bag of perlite and a bag of vermiculite and mixed 1 part of each FFOF COCO PERLITE and VERMICULITE. had about 3 1/2 gal of soil mixed in a 5 gal bucket. added 1/4 cup of dol Lime. got it all saturated and let it sit overnight. next day took my clones/ mother plants and shook off a good amount of the old straight FFOF and transplanted everything too the new mix. been about a week and im noticing gorwth but still extremely slow and getting the same leaf curl i always have.. Also have other theorys like there all in a closed closet with little fresh air constantly in and out. think it could be lack of co2 or something. there is an occolating fan and a crack under the door for a little air flow so i wouldnt think its that. ANY IDEASSSSSS!??? haha thanks everyone for reading my long borring thread but hopefully this caln help other poeple if they have the same problem becaause i found nothing online about leaf curling upwards..

 

[Chem&M]

Okay, this is not meant to sound harsh, but you have no idea why your mixing what, so that's not really helping. Plus, you never mentioned what your soil or water PH actually was. Do you know? There are some great mixes on here.

Have you considered buying a soil that you do not need to cut? What kind of feeding sched. are you on, or going to use? Just a guess, but I'll bet you're overwatering too. Give me a bit more info and let's see if we can't get you fixed, eh? I hate unanswered threads.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

hi FoxFarmOF direct from the bag mixed well before use is great on fresh rooted clones been doing this for 6yrs n/p. i'll use a bag of FFOF soil 1 - 12 quart bag of black gold perlite and mix good in 32 gal trashcan. FFOF can sometimes have hotspots because soil sat for a spell but a good mixn before use fixs the problem.

coco FFOF perlite and vermiculite wow coco and vermiculite holds water dosent allow the meduim to dry out between waterings when soil is envolved.

coco and soil require 2 different PH's to obtain optimum plant growth

where your clones rooted or freshly cut ??? when you planted them ???

FFOF is ph ballanced 5.5-6.5 with crushed oyster shell

 

[eastcoastbuds]

I do not know the ph of my soil and i do not know how to test it. I tried to feed them at first with a tbs of ff big bloom and a tsp of grow big every other watering and had the same problem. so been watering straight water with silica blast for a week. might be over watering but fixing that. thanks for the replys glad prople are willing to help out!

 

[B. Friendly]

without pics its a mote point

 

[eastcoastbuds]

 

[softyellowlight]

In my first 'decent' grow and I used FFOF cut with too much Miracle Gro perlite (it doesn't retain as much water as I want). Anyway, since that perlite had nutes in it too I believe I think it was probably hotter than FFOF normally would be. But the clones I put into them were well-established month old tiny bushes in rockwool cubes rather than slightly-rooted cuttings. It went very well with no burning even with additional feeding soon after.

I think letting clones mature a bit before "potting up" to a nutrient-enriched soil will probably let them adjust to it better in the future. At least, that is what I will be doing myself again =)

peace

 

[Chem&M]

You have crazy PH and possible nute issues from your mix.

You are going to need a PH meter and probably a PPM meter. PH for water and soil to start, though, if your water PH is fine, you should be alright. You can do without a ppm meter down the line, but it will give you a baseline for your first few until you learn to read the plant.

 

[nukklehead]

This is my first 'decent' grow and I used FFOF cut with too much Miracle Gro perlite (it doesn't retain as much water as I want). Anyway, since that perlite had nutes in it too I believe I think it was probably hotter than FFOF normally would be. But the clones I put into them were well-established month old tiny bushes in rockwool cubes rather than slightly-rooted cuttings. It went very well with no burning even with additional feeding soon after.

I think letting clones mature a bit before "potting up" to a nutrient-enriched soil will probably let them adjust to it better in the future. At least, that is what I will be doing myself again =)

peace

MG perlite use to contain nutes... this has caused many big probs. If this has changed then my point is mute. I have always put fresh clones in FFOF with perlite and ph'd water with no probs. good luck

 

[Maj.PotHead]

You have crazy PH and possible nute issues from your mix.

You are going to need a PH meter and probably a PPM meter. PH for water and soil to start, though, if your water PH is fine, you should be alright. You can do without a ppm meter down the line, but it will give you a baseline for your first few until you learn to read the plant.

agreed very crazy PH issues he has it would be because he mixed the FFOF coco vermiculite and mg perlite w/nutes added

soil requires a waters PH with n w/out nutes to be between 6.0 - 6.8 anything above or below will cause lockout in the rootzone.
my target PH in soil is 6.5 all available nutrients are for the taking in the rootzone. ive personally kept rooted clones in 16 oz plastic beer cups for 8wks keepn my waters PH 6.5

again in coco it requires a PH 5.3-6.0 but my target was 5.8 with great results for 3 runs

perlite is wonderful in soil as an additive it dosent retain moisture and allows oxygen exchange in the rootzone easier. and roots grow faster because soil isn't compacted

vermiculite retains moisture and give it to the roots ass needed ive never used it and wont bcause of its water retention value. if i grew outside in the desert during summer where i live i would 4sure consider it !

now to fix your problem Dam i'll say that because i mixed FFOF coco and had same results

do you have or have access to more clones if so well starting over maybe a very smart option.
when i mixed soil n coco i had other plants and clones so i culled the messed up plants in the mix and went back to FFOF soil

if you read my 06 grow thread link in my sig you'll see where i done this and what i done my first 3-4 grow logs are quite detailed. all my ups and downs/mistakes and what i done to correct the mistake

 

[softyellowlight]

I wasn't trying to give the impression I was the OP, the text just came out awkward; I have no idea what kind of perlite/vermiculite he used.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

I wasn't trying to give the impression I was the OP, the text just came out awkward; I have no idea what kind of perlite/vermiculite he used.

ya wernt given the wrong inpression just your experinces no worries. i should have pointed out your quote on allowing the clones to establish with roots before planting

 

[eastcoastbuds]

I have a ppm pen and a ph pen but for my hyrdo waTER . i can test the water i feed the soil with but i dont know how to test the soil ph. I dont have easy access to clones so fixing mine would be my best bet. a friend mentioned i dont have enough light, i said hes crazy there under a t5 with aabout 12"" from the tops so i lowerd it to about 4". so mixing co co and soil is a no no...i could have swarn theres alot of coco based soils out there. so should i transplant them back into ffof with a lil perlite and water plain water with silica blast with a ph of 6.5?

 

[Noobian]

I like to test the soil by watering with water that I know the pH of, and capturing the runoff that comes out of the pot. If the runoff is acidic it means the soil is acidic and vice versa, basic runoff=basic soil you get the drift. You want the runoff you get from your plants to be in the same general range as the pH of the water you put into it.

 

[Noobian]

Also if you're feeding Fox Farms at 1 tbsp per gallon every other watering I can just about guarantee your soil is gonna be on the acid side of things if you haven't been pHing properly. Fox Farms is some very acidic nutrients, I always have to raise the pH a good bit when I add that stuff to my water. I bet if you cut back on how much you're feeding and get your soil pH straightened out your girls will bounce bak

 

[eastcoastbuds]

fair enough noobain i catch your drift. THANKS

 

[eastcoastbuds]

just have to wait till they need a watering i think i have been over watering so im going to let it dry out pretty goooood

 

[softyellowlight]

In the meantime, you COULD go ahead and clone them again early (i.e. now), "just in case" since you did say you don't have easy access to clones. Good Luck!

 

[Chem&M]

Flush flush flush, then let dry. If you haven't fixed the PH, drying out won't help. You should be using that PH meter soil, coco, or hydro.

 

[eastcoastbuds]

So just got back from my local garden store. they had a fresh pallett of ffof so i got a new bag and they mentioned its from california so its not the east coast bs. also had some new nutes called bush doctor haha my bushes(twigs) need a doc. any reviews or feedback on this stuff??? OH BY THE WAY i pulled my small deficiant plants out of the soil they have been in for about 2 weeks. there was alot more root growth than i thought there would be, alot more than top growth atleast. so rinsed the roots with a little water with some maxicrop power kelp sol and going to transplant back into fresh ffof with ph water and hope for the best! (POOR BABBYSS!)