HELP - ARRRRGGHHHH - Pythium Again !!!!!!, Tried everything !!!!

[Scrogerman]

You should never use Hygrozyme in hydro IMHO, it's famous for causing WAY more problems than it solves. i'm at a loss as to how they stay in business. Run a dead res (no beneficial bacteria, nematodes, enzymes or the like) and your hydro will go much smoother.

I always try to point this out. I think its a case of knowing exactly how to use it in hydro that is the key. Have you read the info on their website(Sipco)? Hygrozyme should not be used in hydro by novice growers, unless they are under guidance of an experinced user/grower.

ITryToGrow is a knowlegeble grower who convinced me it can be used to good effect if your res/rootball is innoculated with beneficial bacteria firstly before use, however there is no mention of this on the Sipco(manafacturers) website. I wonder why, you'd think they would want to increase sales. It bloody works great in soil, i can personally testify to that, done side-by-side comparison on same pheno's before now & i was impressed.
What the makers do condone is that Hygrozyme must be used from day 1 in hydroponic set-up's for it to be effective. that got me thinking does this have something to do with giving bacteria a time period to naturally bloom & colonize, i dont know & cannot work that bit out, but i do believe ItrytoGrow's word on it, he seemed to assure me 100% that is how you get it to work in Hydro. if anyone can make a case against then please enlighten me/us.

Im gonna Run Hygro in DWC just to see, but first im going to innoculate with Bene's as ITryTG advised me to do. I will report back to whoever is interested, its about time this hygrozyme&hydro thing was laid to rest once n for all, but i do agree its playing with fire if your a novice hydro gardener & should not be used at all, without guidance/direction!
Cheers Guys!

 

[BoCo]

its surly not the same Chlorine compound, theres quite alot of them!
But im all ears & eyes now, i like this one!

Pretty sure it is just diluted chloramine, which they use in the local water supply.

Just heard an NPR discussion of water treatment last week or two... each of the chlorine derivatives has carcinogenic breakdown... depending upon the plumbing & water quality levels... different chems react differently causing differing levels of carcinogenic compounds.

Apparently, chloramine which was introduced to offset problems w straight chlorine, also has detrimental (observable) effects to humans.

But, yeah, plants do use chlorine in small quantities...

 

[Scrogerman]

I see theres a Phythoff test kit from FlairForm too, thats interesting!

 

[Scrogerman]

Pretty sure it is just diluted chloramine, which they use in the local water supply.

Just heard an NPR discussion of water treatment last week or two... each of the chlorine derivatives has carcinogenic breakdown... depending upon the plumbing & water quality levels... different chems react differently causing differing levels of carcinogenic compounds.

Apparently, chloramine which was introduced to offset problems w straight chlorine, also has detrimental (observable) effects to humans.

But, yeah, plants do use chlorine in small quantities...

a Micro Trace of 'Cl'(Chlorine) yeah, ppb's. Doses used in tap are much higher & harmfull to mj, why we let it stand. Chloramine is different again & theres still much debate going on as to its safety, ive read allsorts, its harfull, its harmless, the debate goes on! Chloramine does not turn to gas like chlorine does & stays in solution if left. Ive read in the doses used in Tap, Chloramine is completely harmless to any plant & us.

 

[takeiteazy]

I grow small select plants for taste and enjoyment. I honestly do not think a tiny amount of chlorine would effect anything...

I love my plants/smoke.

 

[Scrogerman]

I grow small select plants for taste and enjoyment. I honestly do not think a tiny amount of chlorine would effect anything...

I love my plants/smoke.

Plants actually use a trace amount of Cl anyway bro, but why do you think we are all advised to let it dissipate/evaporate out of out tap water before we use it, as far as i know, the amounts that are used in tap water are harmfull to mj with prolonged use, an overdose/toxidity maybe, but id rather not put that to the test myself(its prolly the type of Chlorine used thats important here too). like you said a small amount is surely harmless, but just how small are we talking. i'd of thought alot less than the ppms in our tap & a different compound too.
I think the pythoff would work very well & a grower has already swore by it, id give it a go if i had your problems & H2o2 wasnt working, its that bit i find hard to swallow, h2o2 i rate as one of the most effective & safest sterilisers on the market, with countless other benefits. Out of nessesity do what you have to bro!

BoCo there seems to think its a Chlorimine based addy with the Pythoff, & im still reading for & against with tap water with that stuff, but im certain its effective & will serve your purpose well, so have a go at it bro n let us know. Just make sure you follow mixing instructions exactly"!!!!
best of luck

 

[bigbag]

raise the pH up to abnormally high levels ( 9+ ). pathogens cannot harbout themselves in an alkaline environment...

 

[takeiteazy]

Keep ph at 5.8. Before pyhium it was awesome, top up at 5.6 and leave it drift to 6.2,

 

[Scrogerman]

raise the pH up to abnormally high levels ( 9+ ). pathogens cannot harbout themselves in an alkaline environment...

Would be better off dropping it to 4.7, i believe doing this will do a similar job against Rot pathogens like pythium, glad you mentioned the PH, it reminded me of the lower 4.6-4.8. If you try and ajust to 9, your gonna get precip & loads of stuff is gonna drop out of solution, id give it a few hours & the solution would be knackered!
read up of lowering PH to 4.6-4.8 to combat Root pathogens/Rot!
Im gonna go see what i can dig up on it too, but im sure ive got that right there, i think its effective against alot of root paths but not all.

 

[Scrogerman]

Read This bro! I think you got it under control!]

http://strainguide.org/wp-content/uploads/Tutorials/PlantTrouble/1289.htm

 

[takeiteazy]

Well its definately working been adding 20ml daily of 35% H202 and white roots flying out of sides of pots. On one or two pots i have totally removed the old brown roots.

I have also been trimming/spraying other roots when out of the bubbler, seperating them and watching it fizz and wringing the crap out.

The plants still look like crap though and i think it's time for res change.

My Ph is still shooting up as is my EC from my last res change from 0.3 to 0.5ec.

What i am worried about is now the strength i am using which i think is high.

Shall i just keep adding it into my RDWC system daily at a lower dose ?

Or do i add it to a 70l res which i keep bubbling away to auto top my RDWC.

What would be ideal is a constant auto top up/drip system that just adds it at regular intervals to my RDWC system .

Just looking for a good maintence/preventative schedule ?

Cheers Scrg.