Phoenix Tears for Crohn's Disease???

[Bud Spleefman]

Anyone have any experience using Phoenix Tears to treat Crohn's Disease? I've been gifted some from a friend who insists it is a cure, but was wondering if anyone had any personal experience? I've been told to eat a bit about the size of a grain of rice every night when I go to bed. Supposedly it will heal my intestines!

I'm going to try it, regardless.... I don't see how it could hurt me.

 

[yortbogey]

NO.....BUT...............I do suffer....from Crohn's......
PLEASE DO TELL.....more and more and more........

what prey tell is this Phoenix tears?.......

 

[Bud Spleefman]

Yort, check this video of Crohn's Boy, it's only 4:00 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8fIFo2gvOs


Rick Simpson discovered that if you ingest Hemp Oil it cures all kinds of things. The friend that gave me the Phoenix Tears has cancer and does no chemo, was supposed to be gone like three years ago, and she's doing great.

I just took my first "dose" ..... put it in a gel cap, and swallowed it... we'll see what happens!

 

[Puffin13]

This woman w/Crohn's claims benefits from Rick Simpson's Hemp Oil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37bmbj1uTsk

 

[Agnostic Taoist]

Anyone have any experience using Phoenix Tears to treat Crohn's Disease? I've been gifted some from a friend who insists it is a cure, but was wondering if anyone had any personal experience? I've been told to eat a bit about the size of a grain of rice every night when I go to bed. Supposedly it will heal my intestines!

I'm going to try it, regardless.... I don't see how it could hurt me.

Yes.

Ramp up your dosage so you can reach a saturation quickly. Your tolerance will build exponentially so actually hitting a gram a day in 2 weeks is realistic. Expect all sorts of good things to happen to your body. Crohn's patients seem to respond very well - almost immediately. Prednisone will be a thing of the past!

Cannabis in its entirety was stripped from the human diet in one global sweeping campaign nearly 90 years ago. For all of human evolution we have been directly connected to this plant. There's no telling what will happen to us now. It's a whole new paradigm.

Wishing you all the best in your recovery.

 

[Bud Spleefman]

Yes.

Ramp up your dosage so you can reach a saturation quickly. Your tolerance will build exponentially so actually hitting a gram a day in 2 weeks is realistic. Expect all sorts of good things to happen to your body. Crohn's patients seem to respond very well - almost immediately. Prednisone will be a thing of the past!

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Be well.

Thanks for the link, I went and registered. I slept really well, do I have to take the oil throughout the day, or can I take my entire gram at night? I have a job, not sure if it's going to make me visably disoriented....

It's got to be better than Imuran, Pred, Pentasa (Fucking $700.00 a month!) All those I've tried, Remicade has been suggested, very, very expensive!

Again, thanks for your input!

 

[DoobieDuck]

Bud thanks for posting, Rick Simpsons product has had a couple threads here. No doubt it has some great bennefits for many patients. We can not allow these threads to contain links to the commercial sites selling that product though, that is considered spam. I think our members will be able to find it easy by Googling the name.

I'll allow this thread for discussion of its bennefits as long as we can refrain from including the spam, DD

 

[Agnostic Taoist]

Thanks for the link, I went and registered. I slept really well, do I have to take the oil throughout the day, or can I take my entire gram at night? I have a job, not sure if it's going to make me visably disoriented....

It's got to be better than Imuran, Pred, Pentasa (Fucking $700.00 a month!) All those I've tried, Remicade has been suggested, very, very expensive!

Again, thanks for your input!

Using a consistent supply for your oil is the key. Once you get the idea and feeling of how a certain batch of oil affects you you can take it from there. Switching up between different batches is like switching up your smoke-of-the-day when trying to achieve a good head. The problem is - with RSO you need to acclimate your system to that particular cannabinoid profile to keep from getting continually whacked out by the change up. If you begin with a certain batch you can gradually feel how that batch affects you. Getting the maximum in you is the key. If it's just a little bit many times a day or on big nighttime does not matter. Actually - because of batch differences in THC/CBD ratios - whenever you start a new batch you will want to test dose yourself all over again. I suggest (if you have the time) to dose early in the morning. If it makes you crash and sleep - you'll know it's good for sleep and rest - and will be good for nighttime use and will have only lost one day. If you dose a new - untested batch at nighttime off the bat - you may find that with just a very slight change in the batch materials - your oil may now affect you much differently - sometimes racy and speedy at the beginning. Better to know that early in the morning on your first test dose - than to be climbing the walls when hoping for a nice restful sleep. One day sleeping beats a one night of racing around cleaning your house like a gerbil on crack...

We have found that almost all people respond uniquely to high concentration oil. You always want the highest thc material to begin with. (whole plant!) CBD's interaction expresses itself as a modifier to the THC levels. Although it is accepted that higher CBD levels make for less ampy and speedy effects - my experience is that it is the actual CBD's interaction with THC helps to cap - or mellow the racy and anxiety aspects of low cbd/high thc profile strains. Which is why we have accepted that a homogeneous mix of many strains seems to work best. It gives a much larger and consistent supply of which to make consistent oil batches from. It's much easier to gather information from various users/patients experiences when all are using the exact same oil. A common baseline to start with. That is how we are able to do real Observational Research on responses and results with many folks using the exact same oil. What we are finding is that even with consistent material - personal results do vary. So in this light we are all about producing oil from a supply of varying strains in attempts of covering all the bases. ( At least for edible oils aimed at saturation.) I now understand how Bedrocan came up with their methodology. (Make no mistake - I respect all cannabis processors in their joint research and sharing of information of all things cannabis - but I am not a believer in corporate control and monopolizing of our plant. I just appreciate the science.)


And as well - there's always The Experience.

You really really do not want The Experience.

Well - maybe you do. I do highly suggest that anyone involved in the reincorporation of the Cannabis Paradigm for Humans understand exactly how saturation doses and "overdoses" of cannabis affect your body and spirit. You could never achieve the truest respect of this plant until you do. You will do it only once. You will NEVER forget The Experience. It will scare you - but it's a good scare. All you need to remember when in the grips of it is - It's just Cannabis. The effects WILL dissipate. You will return to this plane quickly. You will remember exactly how you felt for the rest of your life. It will change you. You will have a new found awe of the power of the plant.

You will never want to do it again.
But you will always be thankful for the experience.


I'm an experienced psycho-naught from my earlier years. Always with an eye and intention towards psychological and spiritual healing. (Tripping for the insights that only a "3rd person perspective" can give you.) And to try and describe The Experience mega-dosing can give you is almost impossible. It was unique. It was not pleasant. The closest I can describe (using previous experiences) is to imagine downing a dozen doses of MDMA (real - '80's stuff) with a big shot of adrenaline. Combine that with the pre-trip purging you'd expect from peyote and ayahuasca - and then add a bit of schroom's for colors - and a bit of DMT for the removal of 3D grounding. There's even more - but it still defies accurate description.

And it's just Cannabis.

My Experience happened quite by accident and carelessness. I had finished making up a huge batch and was quickly filling dosing syringes. I was making a mess and impatiently cleaned up the syringe tips with my fingers. Oil was starting to set and time was short - so when I got messy fingers I would just lick them. It was just a tiny tiny bit each time, but when I realized I had cleaned nearly 2 dozen syringes this way I had an "uh oh" moment...("Doh!") So I quickly finished up and settled in for what I thought would just be a lengthy "Upholstery Session" for the evening.

When slowly ramping up to full dosing this is the progression one would expect. Loggy - more loggy - and then tolerance sets in and it all starts to balance.
BUT - if you attempt full dosing from the get-go (or pull an Albert Hoffman like I did!) expect a completely different result.

Bud thanks for posting, Rick Simpsons product has had a couple threads here. No doubt it has some great bennefits for many patients. We can not allow these threads to contain links to the commercial sites selling that product though, that is considered spam. I think our members will be able to find it easy by Googling the name.

I'll allow this thread for discussion of its bennefits as long as we can refrain from including the spam, DD

Sorry about the links DD. Not my intention. Too many folks getting ripped off by figures in the shadows. And for what it's worth - we like to refer to cannabis oil as just that - cannabis oil. It's a very old botanical extracting process that has been around forever - just re-popularized by Mr. Simpson. (RSO for short.)


Wow - did this get a bit off topic - so sorry about that! I find that once I get going on the topic it's hard to stop - especially with new friends like here at IC - so please bear with me - I promise to create more content on the subject in proper threads in the future.


Just a bit excited to see more people discovering the as yet mysterious healing potential of cannabis! I get a bit carried away!


Wishing you the best with your healing - I have 3 folks here (fellow crohn's sufferers) that are very excited to know how things work out with you - it should almost be immediate! (Within one or two bm cycles you'll be able to tell!)

Let me know - keep in touch.

Peace all.

AT

 

[HighDesertJoe]

My heart goes out to you folks a dear friend suffers from Crohn's Disease.
May you all find relief soon.

 

[Paco]

Bud, I have been eating hash for a year now with vitamin B and D. My relapses are few and far between. They are still there, so it will not cure you. But since it's all about inflammation and THC is anti-inflammatory it's bound to work. good luck.

 

[SuperConductor]

Yes Crohn's is about imflammation but I think cannabis helps on more than just the lowering of imflammation levels. I read these interviews last night https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=198807 and was amazed that everything this guy was saying fit in so well with what I had been thinking since learning I had crohn's as well as with recent research regarding the cannabinoid system

I've been in no doubt for quite a while that the main antagonist for crohn's, my crohn's at least, is stress. Or to put it another way the higher the levels of cortisol in my blood stream the worse my crohn's gets. I've seen this time and time again, the more stressed I get the worse my crohn's gets. The time in my life when I was under most stress without actually being aware of it (hence I did nothing to reduce the stress) was the time I almost died from complications (abdominal cyst) and was diagnosed even though, looking back, I see I've had it all my life.

I think it's becoming more and more obvious as more research is done that our physical health is intrinsicly linked to our mental health and in fact they are the same thing. The seperation of mind ffrom body is artificial and a relatively recent invention. Unfortunately our mental health is seen as practically irrelavent and is increasingly marginalised our society (it's gaining greater media coverage but how much of that is really positive and inclusive?) which is one of the many reasons why auto-immune diseases such as chron's are becoming so much more prevalent, when I was 1st diagnosed the stats said 1 in 1200 people had crohn's but the last stat I saw was 1 in 100.
We're ignoring our own selves in order to fit in with this shiny new culture capitalism has invented over the last couple of hundred years so our selves are fighting back or acting out ini the only way they can. It's literally our body trying to tell us something.

Have any of your doctors mentioned this correlation to you? Mental wellbeing is the way to induce remission. Only one I've seen has and he basically said you may as well give up hope if you suffer from depression (I don't think that's true btw), he was more depressed by crohn's than I was lol Another interesting question is why we think we need to take something to make us feel better rather than adjusting or improving the things that are making us ill in the first place?

Anyway, it'd be great to hear more about the research being done with the hemp oil. I just wish there was some way of getting the undoubted benefits of cannabis but without being so very high all the time. I love being high but only when I want to be high, I want relief from crohn's all the time. I believe there are people looking into this problem (seperating the recreational from the medical effect, not that there's anything wrong with enjoying both) but they get a hard time for doing so which is a shame. Wow sorry for the huge post

 

[Bud Spleefman]

Bud, I have been eating hash for a year now with vitamin B and D. My relapses are few and far between. They are still there, so it will not cure you. But since it's all about inflammation and THC is anti-inflammatory it's bound to work. good luck.

Yep, I started taking Vitamin D3 after you said you were doing it, and I've been doing the B via a sublingual for awhile, too. I took two doses of the Phoenix Tears yesterday, one with dinner and one when I went to bed. It's a good night for me if I sleep through, without having a midnight toilet dump, and so far, so good with the Tears. I guess it's the same as eating hash, maybe a little more trichromes in the hash, and less terpenoids, etc.... My problem to this point is, it's getting me pretty fucked up. I was too fucked up to play Yachtzee with my kid last night, I better get some tolerance, fast! Not ready to take it during the day, that is for sure.

Thanks to everyone who commented so far, good to know others are trying alternative remedies.

 

[5FingrdSloth]

very informative, for both the Simpson link and the Tears.
Thanks for posting!

 

[big mike]

THC and its anti-inflammatory, yes..
but lets not forget CBD and its natural occuring TNF-a blocking ability which is why alot of us take powerful injections like remicade...

 

[Bud Spleefman]

THC and its anti-inflammatory, yes..
but lets not forget CBD and its natural occuring TNF-a blocking ability which is why alot of us take powerful injections like remicade...

Please share more info, Mike! What does CDB have to do with Remicade?

The Phoenix Tears are sort of working, I am happy to report. The problem is, they aren't a cure, more like an asprin... they work, while I'm on it, but when it wears off, here comes the BIG D!!!

 

[big mike]

Please share more info, Mike! What does CDB have to do with Remicade?

Cannabidiol like, remicade, is thought to be a tnf-a blocker.

 

[Paco]

Hey bud, I have also found AHCC to help quite a bit too. Helps keep it firm. for me anyway.

 

[danut]

Cannabidiol like, remicade, is thought to be a tnf-a blocker.

From what I understand, CBD reduces the production while remicade blocks the effect of the TNF.

beta caryophylene (bce) is a little understood cannabinoid. It has been tested for it's gastro protective actions.

the presence of bce in cannabis has been known for a long time. It was only in 2008 that it was discovered that bce is a cannabinoid. bce is found in a lot of other herbs besides just cannabis.

We all know the gastro calming effect bce has. It sets next to the cash register of nearly every restaurant.

The after dinner mint. Mint has that same bce in it.

bce has a boiling point that is just a little higher than water. When Simpson oil is overcooked, bce is the first cannabinoid lost.

There are several cases in Michigan where doctors have looked in with scopes and found out that the sores are now all gone.

The dose level for bce seems to start in the 100 microgram area.

 

[mocs0]

Anyone have any experience using Phoenix Tears to treat Crohn's Disease? I've been gifted some from a friend who insists it is a cure, but was wondering if anyone had any personal experience? I've been told to eat a bit about the size of a grain of rice every night when I go to bed. Supposedly it will heal my intestines!

I'm going to try it, regardless.... I don't see how it could hurt me.

From Hemp - the Most Medicinal Plant in the World in Action
A written interview with Rick Simpson, May 2009.

Since his website is under maintenance, thought I'd post this. Not exactly the info you were looking for, but Crohn's is inflammatory in nature so I hope it helps. I wish he wouldn't call it hemp oil, but God bless the man.

INFLAMMATIONS, ARTHRITIS
Arthritis is inflammation accompanied by swelling and pain. Relieving inflammation is one of hemp‟s oldest medicinal uses. Many strains of hemp produce oil that is very effective for arthritis. Unlike synthetic THC the oil also contains other compounds such as CBG, and CBD, which have better properties to fight inflammation than synthetic THC alone.

From what I have seen with the use of hemp oil, many internal organ illnesses can be controlled or cured with the use of this oil. When an internal organ is rejuvenated and healed it can once again resume its duties within our body.

I always encourage people to get the oil into them as quickly as possible.

From our experience the oil is very beneficial for most skin conditions; it can be mixed with skin creams or even suntan lotion.

^^^For external pain

If you have the proper strains to make the oil from, there is nothing better for chronic pain relief than hemp oil. Hemp oil has the ability to eliminate pain, but it also goes to work healing the problem that is causing the pain.

He emphasizes "the proper strains" so if one doesn't work for you, maybe another will. I heard he was using white widow, but I can't confirm it.

I have found both sativa and indica strains to be effective in the treatment of depression. I seldom use sativa strains for treating people due to their energizing effects. Most people who come to me have a serious illness and I don‟t want them energized during the healing process. I find the sleep and rest that a good indica provides to be the most beneficial for the majority of medical conditions.

The safety of this medicine is beyond belief. Even if a person overdoses badly there is no harm done to them once the effects of the oil wear off. The most common side effect we have noted with people ingesting hemp oil for their medical conditions is a great deal of rest and a smile on their faces.

Cannabis in its entirety was stripped from the human diet in one global sweeping campaign nearly 90 years ago. For all of human evolution we have been directly connected to this plant. There's no telling what will happen to us now. It's a whole new paradigm.

Yeah I read an article about the theory that we are suffering from cannabis deficiencies. Interesting stuff.

Bud, I have been eating hash for a year now with vitamin B and D. My relapses are few and far between. They are still there, so it will not cure you. But since it's all about inflammation and THC is anti-inflammatory it's bound to work. good luck.

You should try to soak your hash in some grain alcohol and evaporate off the alcohol. That might help your body absorb it better. I think rick recommends the oil and not hash for a reason. Worth a try?

 

[noteron]

I've been in no doubt for quite a while that the main antagonist for crohn's, my crohn's at least, is stress. Or to put it another way the higher the levels of cortisol in my blood stream the worse my crohn's gets. I've seen this time and time again, the more stressed I get the worse my crohn's gets. The time in my life when I was under most stress without actually being aware of it (hence I did nothing to reduce the stress) was the time I almost died from complications (abdominal cyst) and was diagnosed even though, looking back, I see I've had it all my life.

SuperConductor is absolutely correct about the ill effects of high levels of stress in a Crohn's patients life. Ive had Crohn's since I was 18 and Im 39 now. It took about 8 years of suffering through severe flare-ups, before I realized that 'stress' was by far the main the cause of my flare-ups. I haven't taken any prescribed pills ( Remicade, Pentasa, Prednisone, Azathioprine,ect..) to treat my Crohn's in over 10 years. And I cant even remember the last time I had a flare-up. My secret is simple! Try and live life as stress free as possible and consume as much medicinal cannabis as you can handle in as many different fashions as are available to you.