got a guestion abot males

[autosfordummies]

k so im running a pack of cannacopias dcxc99 and i only have one small cab to flower in, got a few males from the pack that just showed sex yesterday and i would like to get them outa there to free up some space but i also want to collect the pollen to use later on. so can i take them outa the flower cab and put them into my veg area which is on 24/0, will they continue to flower long enough for me to collect a decent amount of pollen. or any of u have any other suggestions on how to go about getting some pollen and getten them outa my flower area. thanks for the help

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Depends on the strain. Too much light may keep your males from doing their thing. I've pre-flowered in veg with 12/12 or 14/10 and removed them before doing any damage.

After the male(s) appeared to be in transition, I put them on a sheet of dark paper or on a dark table top. Once pollen starts to release, you'll see the chartreuse color against the dark surface. I take a card and scrape the pollen into a small pile. An artist brush is used to localize pollination.

Without controlled lighting, your males may revert back to veg. But you should have enough pollen to collect before this happens.

If you have an NGB or another veg cab in the same room as flower, you might get a bad surprise when pollen sucks through the wrong passive intake. Your cab(s) like a vacuum cleaner, it'll eventually pick up airborne particles of pollen that escape through an exhaust or open cab door. Even with conventional intake/exhaust filters, pollen can pass through. Might take a hepa filter to prevent problems but no guarantees.

I learned the hard way, rocking controlled pollination in the same room. I wanted 50 to 75 seeds and ended with ~900 lol. Looks like the server fund will benefit.

 

[autosfordummies]

ok cool. i was thinkin that they would probably chug along for atleast 2 weeks before they reverted back to veg. guess ill take some cuts just in case i dont get very much pollen.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Excellent, Smithers - hope it works better than my experience, lol. The good thing (in my case) is the seeds had a full 6 weeks to mature on the plant. My seedlings/veg plants are very robust. The cotyledons are so big the veins are visible. I've got 1,3,5,7,9 petiole progression compared to 1,3,3,5,5,5,5,7 crap. It may have nothing to do with the incubation period but they're healthier than any I've previously grown.

 

[GMT]

do it the easy way. Pick one male to keep, and leave him in the flowering room, he'll be gone in 4 weeks anyway and you dont have any messing around to do.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

do it the easy way. Pick one male to keep, and leave him in the flowering room, he'll be gone in 4 weeks anyway and you dont have any messing around to do.

...and i only have one small cab to flower in,...

4 weeks? Way to go, GMT!!! You just taught him how to seed his entire (cab) crop and render his cab a perennial pollinator.

 

[GMT]

lol entire cab, you make it sound like hes got room to grow both bud and produce a decent seed crop. With a small cab each grow is either for bud or seed, you have to make sacrifices when youre small scale. Guess that was too long ago for you to remember disco.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Decent is relative. I know you're a thinker. Try this one on... compromise.

Everything about cab grows is compromised when compared to your room/house/warehouse or hemisphere. just kidding. Even the need for seed stock is much smaller than your apparent needs. If I had to sacrifice a quarter pound grow for 10,000 beans, I'd never use them. Wouldn't have any smoke either.

So, control pollination of a few buds throws enough seed for cab grows.

With the right conditions, one male and 4 weeks could spew over an acre. Me thinks you're just having fun.

 

[SOTF420]

Make as many seeds as humanly possible so you dont have to do it again anytime soon, then make oil or bubble from the remains

 

[bambi]

I put some of my daddys under 12/12 of Flourescent light and they soon flower yes, just not as quickly, youl still get plenty of pollen and see the the right traits your looking for,

The hollow stemmed males can make better resin producers, ive personally found the same with a few mothers ive kept over time, clustered type males ive noticed are good for bigger yields on plants ive used or made in the past.

 

[GMT]

well lets think about this carefully, it takes a min of 3 months to go from 2 seeds to a seed harvest. 3 months. tell me, is it worth spending 3 months to save $100 ? or is it better to buy a couple more bags of seeds and save yourself that time? Is it worth pollinating 2 or 3 buds so get 30-40 seeds? If you want to do that, then its best to trim a male right back to only one set of pollen sacks growing and take the earliest maturing one off the plant, gently manhandle it over the bud and let the pollen drop. In which case you may as well leave that male in the grow room as once the first pollen sack is ready, you use it and kill off the male. If you want to pollinate more buds for more seeds, and so get yourself a couple of years worth in one grow cycle, then leave your male in there for longer. Either way, I really dont see a need to both keep a male and keep him away from the girls.
I'm not kidding, not joking, others will have many other methods, and its a judgement call as to which an individual prefers. I'm a lazy grower, I want to keep everything as simple as possible, which is why I make the choices I do.

 

[Unclepeter]

do it the easy way. Pick one male to keep, and leave him in the flowering room, he'll be gone in 4 weeks anyway and you dont have any messing around to do.

why just the one?

 

[GMT]

several reasons, one being that space is limited and it only takes one, another being that I personally would always choose one father in order for it to be slightly easier to predict what the next seed will do. Also given that the poster may only want a few seeds, then multiple fathers would be impossible to use without seeding a large portion of the crop.

 

[Unclepeter]

nother being that I personally would always choose one father in order for it to be slightly easier to predict what the next seed will do.

so bottlenecking in effect? also you won't know which male was "best" until you grow the progeny.

 

[GMT]

well no bottlenecking refers to something else. Tell me this, lets say you use 3 males, and for arguements sake, lets say 1/6 of the seeds display an interesting trait that the other 5/6 dont. these seeds are all from one mother as you harvested the seeds separately. Which of the fathers was responsible for the desirable trait? Which do you use again? Assuming that all males were kept, which in this case they wouldnt be. And how would you know whether any of the seeds that you were planting this time would display the desired trait?

 

[Unclepeter]

well no bottlenecking refers to something else. Tell me this, lets say you use 3 males, and for arguements sake, lets say 1/6 of the seeds display an interesting trait that the other 5/6 dont. these seeds are all from one mother as you harvested the seeds separately. Which of the fathers was responsible for the desirable trait? Which do you use again? Assuming that all males were kept, which in this case they wouldnt be. And how would you know whether any of the seeds that you were planting this time would display the desired trait?

bottlenecking has a direct effect on drift and is proportional to population size starting with the numbers you have ie one male.. I don't know how many fems will be flowered but I just know you stated to use 1 male(I see you also state one mother) so 1:1 mating. how would this one male be selected? I believe in population genetics and as such therefore I would grow out the 1/6 of the seeds showing me what I want open pollinating them, and then moving the population on via various methods. therefore I don't need one male but eventually will have many males for the selected traits etc.

you can track the population via basic math working out the freq etc.

 

[GMT]

bottlenecking has a direct effect on drift and is proportional to population size starting with the numbers you have ie one male.. I don't know how many fems will be flowered but I just know you stated to use 1 male(I see you also state one mother) so 1:1 mating. how would this one male be selected? I believe in population genetics and as such therefore I would grow out the 1/6 of the seeds showing me what I want open pollinating them, and then moving the population on via various methods. therefore I don't need one male but eventually will have many males for the selected traits etc.

you can track the population via basic math working out the freq etc.

lol, yes, maybe depending on deffinition, would depend on the breeders preferences, you'd need a farm and several years, yeah but theres easier ways.

Sorry mate not making light, just didnt want to do the cut and paste thing. Heres a fuller answer.

In one generation you wont run into the bottlenecking effect. The opening poster isnt looking to create his own IL seeds, merely to make himself somemore for the future to save his pocket a little. It is a fact that no one seed has more than 2 parents. regardless of how many sexually mature plants there were breeding at the time. That means that each and every seed youve ever grown, or anyone else has ever grown has at the most been a 1:1 mating, and at least a 1 to self mating. The next seed in the pack may have the same mother, the same father, neither or both. It depends on the methods used to produce that pack of seeds. The selection process for parents is varied, and to a certain extent, the breeders choice. However it is widely accepted that the way to decide whether or not to reuse a parent is dependant on the desirability of the offspring.
I'd like to make 2 points on that. 1, that it is much easier to know the desirability of the offspring of a parent, when the offspring can be matched to a particular parent. 2, the space required for a 1:1 mating is greatly reduced, and can allow for a pollinated plant to seed while others are left to bud.

 

[Unclepeter]

lol, yes, maybe depending on deffinition, would depend on the breeders preferences, you'd need a farm and several years, yeah but theres easier ways.

you don't need a farm but patience, he could also pollinate different bud sites and label them etc, say he decided to breed them in the future or pass them out! without the diversity theres no future!, to me just to say use 1 male etc is lazy and unhelpful but thats just IMO but then I'd expect nowt less for someone who scored at the fox .

 

[GMT]

lmao, I was speaking to englishrick the other day and we were saying that you'd be about somewhere. Good to see we werent wrong.
Yeah patience would do it too, but I think he wants some seeds and wants to know the easiest way, yes my way is lazy, but that just makes it easy, and I never think easy is unhelpfull. Given that each seed ever created is 1:1 it seems odd that youd think that in one generation, it would make any difference at all. I can say that I have F7s that were made using 1:1 all the way down, and they are doing just fine.

 

[Unclepeter]

lmao, I was speaking to englishrick the other day and we were saying that you'd be about somewhere. Good to see we werent wrong.
Yeah patience would do it too, but I think he wants some seeds and wants to know the easiest way, yes my way is lazy, but that just makes it easy, and I never think easy is unhelpfull. Given that each seed ever created is 1:1 it seems odd that youd think that in one generation, it would make any difference at all. I can say that I have F7s that were made using 1:1 all the way down, and they are doing just fine.

They may well be ok but could you take the line and change it? out of personnal interest has the line been 1:1 right thru ??

haha and hows ER? I hope well...