hygrozyme in rdwc... bad or good...?

[krunchbubble]

and im going to play the devils advocate against myself here....the amount of bleach that users r stating that add is sooo minimal that it is practically a minute(mi-noot) amount of sodium that it really doesnt matter huh??

but krunch dont you prefer h202 over bleach???

i used both, but found i was using alot of h202, it was hard to keep the rot in control....

with the bleach it was 2 ml's per 10 gallons and the rot was gone.....

http://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/286022-killing-root-rot.html

this is gold, explains EVERYTHING!

 

[buddin_904]

cool! nice advice.... thanks krunch.....i look up to you!

 

[highonmt]

i used both, but found i was using alot of h202, it was hard to keep the rot in control....

with the bleach it was 2 ml's per 10 gallons and the rot was gone.....

http://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/286022-killing-root-rot.html

this is gold, explains EVERYTHING!

Yep it's the cure I'd give you more K++ if I could KB. I add bleach once a week .25ml /gallon nothing but pure white roots and no ill effects noticed... did I mention the cost I consider it damn near free.
HM

 

[ambertrich]

you could also try enzyme products made for ponds-I use clear-zyme (?) picked up at Lowes and it works great to keep the res clear with no ill effects. And it is cheap, in powder form very easy to use and a little goes a long way.

Had problems when I tried to use hygrozyme almost everytime. So, stopped the hygrozyme and those set of problems stopped.

I will keep the micro dose of bleach in mind should the need arise.

Good luck.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

the plants lived in bleach krunch or do you run it then flush it out?

 

[buddin_904]

i believe he runs it......not 100% tho

but poopybags....have we convinced you enough not to waste your money on hygrozyme or not yet....or should i try harder?

 

[krunchbubble]

the plants lived in bleach krunch or do you run it then flush it out?

100% of the time, dead res.....

 

[Tonka]

Tried it once in a bio-bucket setup and caused an annoying algae bloom that set me back. Waste of money. Hydroguard works well in dwc if used from the beginning of the grow without any sign of rot.

 

[couchlockd]

i use it in pro mix, i also use sensi zyme together, both at half strnght. never no used it though, so i dunno for sure. but had had no rot problems, and nice white roots after harvest.

 

[el Dream Reader]

I tried hygrozyme, rhizotonic, voodoo juice, H2O2 and bleach in my rdwc and nft systems in my greenhouse a couple years back. I had two 20 gallon reservoirs and I had temps over 90 in the water and air temps above 110, I found that in these extremes the only thing that reliably works is to run a sterile res using h2o2 or bleach. The frequency and amount of 35% H2O2 I had to use was much more costly than using bleach, bleach just works too well. I like to use good dry nutes in my rdwc as well so I'm not having to buy water in my bottles.

 

[takeiteazy]

I have PYTHIUM but can not get chlorex in UK !!!

We have domestos bleach - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestos

Also i can get pure Chlorine solution at 15 %......

How much and how often would i need to add Domestos bleach or 15% chlorine ?

They also sell Flairform Pythoff which is costly but when i found data sheet on it all it is is 2.5% Chlorine and the rest water !!!

http://www.flairform.com/downloads/msds_pythoff_commercial_strength.pdf

Anyone help guys as plants are now on last legs.

Cheers

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey TakeitEasy,
get yourself some OXY+ mate!¬) This stuff will fix you up, ++add more O2 into your system too(airpump, waterfall etc etc), run the Oxy at 0.5mls per litre of res solution bro, run it for a week solid, then alternate its use, no need to run it 24/7 after treatment, a fews times a weeks is fine.(add every 24 hours exactly< no less no more)
You'll get healthy new growth & a big growth boost when using this stuff but dont exceade the dosage or get carried away with it, it can have detrimental effects if overdone, i believe bleach is great but its for toilets imo! Some of the best money ive ever spent in a hydro shop bro!

Dont use anything organic while using it, just nutes & oxy+ nothing else. it breaks organic shit down rendering it useless, & it can make a mess.
Bleach will work too but you may struggle if your plants are on there last legs, its always wise to keep a bottle of H2o2(Oxy+) on hand, wicked shit & will save your crops!

G'Luck!

 

[Scrogerman]

I thought this thread was about Hygrozyme?

Anyway, ive used it in soil to exellent effect, really increased root growth & more mass too, was impressed. But ive seen the mess it can cause in hydro. Most people suffering from brown algae blooms(herpes hydro slime-yukkkkk)

On the Hygrozyme website it says(if you can find the info) Hygrozyme needs to be used from day 1 for it to work effectively. Ive also read & been told by other IC users of hygro that innoculation with beneficial bacteria is essential before attempting to use this stuff in hydro. the hygro seems to feed bacteria & if there is nothing to feed on it, algae blooms start, people add stuff to combat pathogens which seems to make things worse for alot of people. So it seems adding Beneficial bacteria prior to applying Hygrozyme is the way to go, let the bene's colonize for a few days then add hygropoo & your stellar. Can anyone back this up?
i believe Richy-Rich(i think?) had his own battle with brown algae/Hygropoo & the bene's was the only thing to sort him out, after years of trying combo's of other shit. I think it was Brown Algae that he battled!
Get Hygro working for you & it could be really good stuff! Dont know if id throw my chiller away though.

All the people that had problems with Hygrozyme, didnt know how to use the stuff & that includes me!
Theres still alot i dont understand about using this stuff in hydro, but now i know bene's are needed to feed on it, its starting to make some sense. Is it the hygrozyme causes/promotes brown algae or similar & the bene's are needed to eat it up, thats how im seeing it atm. Seems a whole lot of hassle compared to other enzyme products.

 

[takeiteazy]

Hi Mate. I have H202 at 35% and have flushed for 3 days with it. Got plenty 02, from bubbles/flooming etc.

I also have never had brown slime or sludge and water has always been clear but roots brown...

Been reading loads and Chlorine/bleach is a better/cheaper alternative and also stays in system longer where as H202 breaks down very quickly.

Going to add it at 0.28ml/l twice a day but after reading linked thread on here want to try chlorine.

Cheers

 

[takeiteazy]

Hey TakeitEasy,
get yourself some OXY+ mate!¬) This stuff will fix you up, ++add more O2 into your system too(airpump, waterfall etc etc), run the Oxy at 0.5mls per litre of res solution bro, run it for a week solid, then alternate its use, no need to run it 24/7 after treatment, a fews times a weeks is fine.(add every 24 hours exactly< no less no more)
You'll get healthy new growth & a big growth boost when using this stuff but dont exceade the dosage or get carried away with it, it can have detrimental effects if overdone, i believe bleach is great but its for toilets imo! Some of the best money ive ever spent in a hydro shop bro!

Dont use anything organic while using it, just nutes & oxy+ nothing else. it breaks organic shit down rendering it useless, & it can make a mess.
Bleach will work too but you may struggle if your plants are on there last legs, its always wise to keep a bottle of H2o2(Oxy+) on hand, wicked shit & will save your crops!

G'Luck!

So say to add 0.5ml/l daily ? Is this stuff 17.5% ??

So i would add 0.25ml/l daily ??

Cheers

 

[Scrogerman]

Thats it bro 0.5 mls per litre(thats full strength - use that), or as it says on the bottles 5 mls per 10 litres.(yes 17.5%-you got a bottle have you?) yours is 35% so you'll need to use half at 0.25msl per litre ok bro! missed that post sorry.
Use daily every 24 hours, its dissipates out of solution within every 24 hours so you need to re-apply, nutes & oxy only nothing else bro. run it for 1 week, use a weaker nute solution with full strength oxy+ to leach/flush your pots through, this will hit the infection on the inside where you cant see. I say use a weaker nute solution for leaching/flushing pots through to help minimise salt build up/accumilation, its a ball ache but better than leaching with feed solutions for DWC imo.

It depends really onm the severity of the infection as to how fast they bounce back, do the roots smell & are the roots mushy brown & black etc, it may be a bit too late, but even then you stand a good chance of clearing the infection. Somnetimes though its better to start again & learn from your mistakes, keep a bottle of oxy+ on hand for future outbreaks.

Whats the temps of your buckets/res/controller etc? & how bigs your airpump's output, per minute / per hour? The Oxy will add a big O2 boost to your solution, sterilise(which is the main one), increase nute uptake & generally make for stronger healthier plants, with darker leaf colour & thicker stems, i swear by the stuff in the veg period, i like to use some organic boosters in bloom & it only gets used in bloom if i have an outbreak of pathogens etc.

Can you show me/us some pics of your roots & tell me what exactly you have been putting in your tank, everything? & the rez temps yeah? PH & EC & anything else you think important bro!

 

[Scrogerman]

You should of posted your question in the infirmiry bro, you'll get loads of help then, if a mod wants to delete these posts or move them then you'll need to start your own thread in the infirmary section. Do that anyway & ill come over & help you out mate, its no bother! Dont forget to post pics! DWC is my game so i should be able to help ya out!

As far as i know Chlorine can be harmfull to your plants bro, i wouldnt use Chlorine. H2o2/Oxy+ is all you need, or if in doubt get yourself some physan20, but i think its been banned in the UK, not sure though.
sorry i missed your other post, start your own thread in the infirmary section bro! & ill be over!

Cheers!

 

[takeiteazy]

Cheers mate. I can keep temps to whatever i want, currently got it at 18/19c in the bubblers. Have big Hailea air pump and only 5 x 21l bubblers. I supplies 30l/min or 1800l/hour.

It is in early stage and looks light brown atm.

The stuff you have is the same as liquid oxygen at 17.5%, i just get it 35% no label food grade as its cheaper.

 

[highonmt]

I have limited experience with hygrozyme in hydro exactlly 2 data points the first time I added to my rez in rdwc...bad icky slimy results....the second I mixed in a rez and then ran it to waste in my recirc drip system...fixed the damaged roots and worked great...I won't recirc it ever again. In soil it works fine when root damage has occured but don't recirc it in hydro IMO.

HM

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey high,
I believe there are steps that need to be taken if you want to run Hygrozyme in Hydro, ie, innoculate with beneficial bacteria first, then add the Hygro a few days later, even in recirc hydro NFT, DWC etc. The bacteria feed on the algae, its food for them & the hygro seems to produce the food. if your running a dead res(sterile) its not gonna work & this could get messy. Ive spoken to IC'ers who use Hygrozyme & they confirm using/innoculating with bene's prior to its use will keep the hygro in check. I believe once your dialed running warmer res temps is of no concern to hygrozyme & bene users. ITryToGrow i think it was on the Hydro Brown Algae Slime Thread put me in the picture with the bene's & Hygrozyme, he said its the only way to get it to work in Hydro. Its knowing how to use this stuff with hydro & when etc. Beneficial Bacteria seems to be the answer.

if i remember rightly it says on the Hygrozyme website that if using it, you need to start use from day one in hydro, then use continuoisly. But no mention of the bene's so im not sure why, still i do 100% believe what ItrytoGrow was telling me, he knows his stuff & was a user himself.

I will say imo its playing with fire in hydro if you dont know what your doing or how to use it, but get it right & it could be very useful, albeit expensive!