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do they make a 12 inch galv vent pipe ??
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Hey GH. You’re back early? Was it due to the piss test? – Same happened to me last year on a job, got treated like I'd just killed someone, they sent me home, got a warning and a ‘drugs are bad m’kay’ chat from the boss, better than rehab though – unlucky! – what a useless test right? What business is it of your employer if you have consumed dope in the last month? How exactly has it been proven to impact your work safety if you had a spliff a few weeks ago? All complete BS!
No idea where to get 12” galv in your area but if you can’t find it anywhere you could try a sheet metal fabricator – a 12” rolled duct wouldn’t cost much, even better if they can use damaged/scratched sheet they can’t use for fascia work. Otherwise you could try and build a square section duct from ply with a frame or something.
The 10” will just meets your needs now but leave no room for change or expansion without major rework and may create some additional windage and/or turbulence within the duct – this is important as you are going to be sucking or blowing at different points along the ducts using different speed/cfm rated fans. Minor changes in one area may have more noticeable impact on others than if you were using a larger main duct.
If you’re certain you don’t want to expand later on then go for the 10” if it’s easy to get. The duct accessories may be easier to come by also if HD stock the 10” ducting.
No idea where to get 12” galv in your area but if you can’t find it anywhere you could try a sheet metal fabricator – a 12” rolled duct wouldn’t cost much, even better if they can use damaged/scratched sheet they can’t use for fascia work. Otherwise you could try and build a square section duct from ply with a frame or something.
The 10” will just meets your needs now but leave no room for change or expansion without major rework and may create some additional windage and/or turbulence within the duct – this is important as you are going to be sucking or blowing at different points along the ducts using different speed/cfm rated fans. Minor changes in one area may have more noticeable impact on others than if you were using a larger main duct.
If you’re certain you don’t want to expand later on then go for the 10” if it’s easy to get. The duct accessories may be easier to come by also if HD stock the 10” ducting.
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hey sam . ya they got me . but i still have a job .
im checking around the house for heating and a/c for the 12 inch . how are the 6inch droppers going to be attached to the 12 inch ducting .
what all do i need for the 12 inch . im come up with 2x flanges and 2x end caps . and the 6 inch droopers .
im checking around the house for heating and a/c for the 12 inch . how are the 6inch droppers going to be attached to the 12 inch ducting .
what all do i need for the 12 inch . im come up with 2x flanges and 2x end caps . and the 6 inch droopers .
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work was pretty cool about it . i had to see head of safety .cool guy he's on his way out though . he retires in august . lucky me . we are getting ready to go to mexico in august for work and the company just spent a shit load to get my work visa and passport and other paper work. well the head of safety tells me monday that i woundnt be going to mexico . i just got a call from my superintendent asking if i was coming back . i told him ya. he said he would holding my position .he said he also had a fond for the ladies . thats one hell of a guy in my book .i see him in a new light now . i also told i woudnt be able to go to mexico because of safety . he told me not to worry and he woud take care of it .
...PRETTY F_ CKEN SWEET .
...PRETTY F_ CKEN SWEET .
That’s a pretty decent boss you got there.
I think you pretty much got it for your list. Depending on the main duct type you should be able to cut or punch out holes for the droppers along the length for flanges to mount to which your droppers will mount to. I used rivets for my system, everything is attached with flanges secured with rivets and sealed with silicone. Duct glue is better but I couldn’t get any in my area at the time. You can get mid mount flange adapters/joiners for the main ducting also, (like a 12” ring with a 6” flange mounted to the side) they are better but you will need to cut the duct for each one which will be a lot of cutting for your needs.
Also…work out how you’re going to get the duct up there, if its rigid single length then you will need to cut it to get it through your man hole so work out cut lengths to make your cuts count. If your windows aren’t mounted low enough you will also need to suspend the main ducts so the ends can mount to the flanges you will have on the window frames, otherwise you will need 12” flex or rigid angle adapters.
I think you pretty much got it for your list. Depending on the main duct type you should be able to cut or punch out holes for the droppers along the length for flanges to mount to which your droppers will mount to. I used rivets for my system, everything is attached with flanges secured with rivets and sealed with silicone. Duct glue is better but I couldn’t get any in my area at the time. You can get mid mount flange adapters/joiners for the main ducting also, (like a 12” ring with a 6” flange mounted to the side) they are better but you will need to cut the duct for each one which will be a lot of cutting for your needs.
Also…work out how you’re going to get the duct up there, if its rigid single length then you will need to cut it to get it through your man hole so work out cut lengths to make your cuts count. If your windows aren’t mounted low enough you will also need to suspend the main ducts so the ends can mount to the flanges you will have on the window frames, otherwise you will need 12” flex or rigid angle adapters.
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SAM , can the 2x 12 inch ducting be side by side or should they be mounted one on top of the other .
.. the window is low enough so i can run it on top of the rafters .
.. the man hole is 2x3 hole .
. i was thinking ,make the vent pipe 5 ft long . and the single rigid pipe galv.
.You can get mid mount flange adapters/joiners for the main ducting also, (like a 12” ring with a 6” flange mounted to the side) they are better but you will need to cut the duct for each one which will be a lot of cutting for your needs.
.mid mount flanges ,is that what its called . 12x6 flange ? .i never heard of duct glue but i will check . i never would have thought to but silicone . i do have plenty of pop rivets . lol
. do you think it would be better to use the flanges or just cut a hole in the 12 inch ducting . i guess the flanges would be better .
.. the window is low enough so i can run it on top of the rafters .
.. the man hole is 2x3 hole .
. i was thinking ,make the vent pipe 5 ft long . and the single rigid pipe galv.
.You can get mid mount flange adapters/joiners for the main ducting also, (like a 12” ring with a 6” flange mounted to the side) they are better but you will need to cut the duct for each one which will be a lot of cutting for your needs.
.mid mount flanges ,is that what its called . 12x6 flange ? .i never heard of duct glue but i will check . i never would have thought to but silicone . i do have plenty of pop rivets . lol
. do you think it would be better to use the flanges or just cut a hole in the 12 inch ducting . i guess the flanges would be better .
The main ducts would be better side by side and of a length long enough to feed the droppers in both rooms. If you can set your room equipment up so the holes in the ceiling are in-line with the main ducts then even better, makes it easier to just bring the droppers (6” flexi duct) directly where they are needed.
I think the mid mount flanges are just called ‘T’ or Tee’s, if you can’t get 12” - 6” then you will just need to use 12” - 6” reducers on them. Likely HD will not have 12” – 6” reducers so if not do you have a HVAC supplier in your area? You may need to use 12” – 10” + 10” – 8” + 8” – 6” reducers in series – better if you can get the 12” – 6” obviously. This is a one off thing so if you have to order the accessories in to suit then I’d be doing that.
I used metal wet area type silicone as a sealant (for house guttering) so I don’t need to redo all the seals any time soon. You will have extremes of hot and cold, low and high humidity along with possible UV damage from the lights so don't cheapen out here.
Definitely better to use flanges if you can, you are never going to get a great and permanent seals any other way.
Don't forget to paint the inside of the main ducts where they meet the windows panels/frames mat-black or something very dark and non-sheen otherwise you will see it too easily from the outside and may reflect the HPS light.
I think the mid mount flanges are just called ‘T’ or Tee’s, if you can’t get 12” - 6” then you will just need to use 12” - 6” reducers on them. Likely HD will not have 12” – 6” reducers so if not do you have a HVAC supplier in your area? You may need to use 12” – 10” + 10” – 8” + 8” – 6” reducers in series – better if you can get the 12” – 6” obviously. This is a one off thing so if you have to order the accessories in to suit then I’d be doing that.
I used metal wet area type silicone as a sealant (for house guttering) so I don’t need to redo all the seals any time soon. You will have extremes of hot and cold, low and high humidity along with possible UV damage from the lights so don't cheapen out here.
Definitely better to use flanges if you can, you are never going to get a great and permanent seals any other way.
Don't forget to paint the inside of the main ducts where they meet the windows panels/frames mat-black or something very dark and non-sheen otherwise you will see it too easily from the outside and may reflect the HPS light.
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thats some really great advice .im off a few days till i get evaluated . i will get a list and price on things . thanks again ..
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i have to do 16 aa or na classes in 7 days . thats 3 classes a day . before i can go back to work . .
for the intake droppers in the mother room i come up with . all droppers will be 6 inch.
. 1x 600 mh
. 1x portable or window a/c unit.
.1x fresh air intake .
.....now for the exhaust in the mother room ..
. 1x 600 mh
. 1x portable or window a/c unit.
. 1x for the exhaust .
im not sure on the exhaust . how many hole for the exhaust will i need ?? 1x 6 inch hole or do i need 2x 6 inch holes or more .
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...... now the flower room intake ..
. 1x for 2x 600 hps .
.1x for fresh air intake .
......now the exhaust in the flower room .
. 1x for the 2x 600 hps .
. 1x for the exhaust .
again im not sure on how many holes . 1 or 2 or more ???
the 2x lights in the flower room are hooked together and the a/c is a window unit .
this should be all the exhaust and intakes ,corret me if im wrong . did i leave anything out .
for the intake droppers in the mother room i come up with . all droppers will be 6 inch.
. 1x 600 mh
. 1x portable or window a/c unit.
.1x fresh air intake .
.....now for the exhaust in the mother room ..
. 1x 600 mh
. 1x portable or window a/c unit.
. 1x for the exhaust .
im not sure on the exhaust . how many hole for the exhaust will i need ?? 1x 6 inch hole or do i need 2x 6 inch holes or more .
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...... now the flower room intake ..
. 1x for 2x 600 hps .
.1x for fresh air intake .
......now the exhaust in the flower room .
. 1x for the 2x 600 hps .
. 1x for the exhaust .
again im not sure on how many holes . 1 or 2 or more ???
the 2x lights in the flower room are hooked together and the a/c is a window unit .
this should be all the exhaust and intakes ,corret me if im wrong . did i leave anything out .
Wow that’s a lot of rehab! Did they say they will also be doing random piss tests on you in the future or when you work away?
If you check the original room drawing I posted back editing yours (I think it was config 1) you will need the following:
Flower room:
1 x 6” fresh air intake – this should be ducted (dropper) from the main intake duct so that the air flow moves through the plants in the flower room ie: positioned behind the plants but in direct line of the inter-room fan.
1 x 6” sealed air intake for light cooling – this should be ducted directly from the main intake duct to one end of the hoods and sealed from the room.
1 x 6” sealed air exhaust for light cooling – this should be ducted directly from the main exhaust duct to the opposite end of the hoods and sealed from the room.
1 x 6” inter-room fan (already installed?) this will draw the air from the intake and direct it into the mother room, this air should be cooler due to the window a/c.
Mother room:
1 x 6” air exhaust – this should be ducted to the main exhaust duct so that the air flow moves through the plants in the mother room ie: positioned behind the plants in direct line of the inter-room fan. It should have the scrubber mounted to the duct so the air from the mother and flower rooms is cleaned before being expelled.
1 x 6” sealed air intake for light cooling – this should be ducted directly from the main intake duct to one end of the hoods and sealed from the room.
1 x 6” sealed air exhaust for light cooling – this should be ducted directly from the main exhaust duct to the opposite end of the hood and sealed from the room.
1 x 6” inter-room fan (already installed?) this will blow the cooler air from the flower room.
1 x 6” sealed air intake for portable a/c – this should be ducted directly from the main intake duct to intake side of the a/c.
1 x 6” sealed air exhaust for portable a/c – this should be ducted directly from the main exhaust duct to exhaust side of the a/c.
In total for both rooms you will need 8 x 6” holes – 3 in the flower room, 5 in the mother room. You don’t want a room intake and exhaust in both rooms as you want the cooler a/c air from the flower room to flow through to the mother room via the inter-room fan, this should negate the need for constant use of the portable a/c in the mother room.
Once you have everything ducted and ready to test, try adjusting the inter-room fan speed (should be able to change the internal motor tap wiring easily to High, Med, Low in the box where the power cord comes in) or get a fan controller if need be as you may find that you are blowing too much air into the mother room which will cause positive air pressure leading to air leaks – smell.
If you check the original room drawing I posted back editing yours (I think it was config 1) you will need the following:
Flower room:
1 x 6” fresh air intake – this should be ducted (dropper) from the main intake duct so that the air flow moves through the plants in the flower room ie: positioned behind the plants but in direct line of the inter-room fan.
1 x 6” sealed air intake for light cooling – this should be ducted directly from the main intake duct to one end of the hoods and sealed from the room.
1 x 6” sealed air exhaust for light cooling – this should be ducted directly from the main exhaust duct to the opposite end of the hoods and sealed from the room.
1 x 6” inter-room fan (already installed?) this will draw the air from the intake and direct it into the mother room, this air should be cooler due to the window a/c.
Mother room:
1 x 6” air exhaust – this should be ducted to the main exhaust duct so that the air flow moves through the plants in the mother room ie: positioned behind the plants in direct line of the inter-room fan. It should have the scrubber mounted to the duct so the air from the mother and flower rooms is cleaned before being expelled.
1 x 6” sealed air intake for light cooling – this should be ducted directly from the main intake duct to one end of the hoods and sealed from the room.
1 x 6” sealed air exhaust for light cooling – this should be ducted directly from the main exhaust duct to the opposite end of the hood and sealed from the room.
1 x 6” inter-room fan (already installed?) this will blow the cooler air from the flower room.
1 x 6” sealed air intake for portable a/c – this should be ducted directly from the main intake duct to intake side of the a/c.
1 x 6” sealed air exhaust for portable a/c – this should be ducted directly from the main exhaust duct to exhaust side of the a/c.
In total for both rooms you will need 8 x 6” holes – 3 in the flower room, 5 in the mother room. You don’t want a room intake and exhaust in both rooms as you want the cooler a/c air from the flower room to flow through to the mother room via the inter-room fan, this should negate the need for constant use of the portable a/c in the mother room.
Once you have everything ducted and ready to test, try adjusting the inter-room fan speed (should be able to change the internal motor tap wiring easily to High, Med, Low in the box where the power cord comes in) or get a fan controller if need be as you may find that you are blowing too much air into the mother room which will cause positive air pressure leading to air leaks – smell.
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Hey SAM , ya thats a shit load . this weekend my sister is getting married and i have to go to a few meeting before the wedding .i should be finnished tuesday !! aint that some shit ? when i get approve to go back to work ,thats when the piss Fest begins .
i have to go back and check out fig, 1 .
one place was selling me square tubing. does it matter ?
i have to go back and check out fig, 1 .
one place was selling me square tubing. does it matter ?
Yeah so you been a 'drug addict' for many years now - you go to a few rushed hours of rehab and you're all fixed and if you piss hot at work again then they have fulfilled their duty of care and can sack you! What a load of BS...hope not for you though.
Square, round, rectangle it doesn't matter the shape so long as the area is equal to that of the round 12". Basic math...10" x 10" sq would be a tad small but not unworkable, any shape which width x height = more than 100" will be ok. Really, whatever you can easily get as long as it meets the minimum dimensions will do. Square or rectangle sure would make it easier to mount the droppers to just depends what you can get your hands on.
Square, round, rectangle it doesn't matter the shape so long as the area is equal to that of the round 12". Basic math...10" x 10" sq would be a tad small but not unworkable, any shape which width x height = more than 100" will be ok. Really, whatever you can easily get as long as it meets the minimum dimensions will do. Square or rectangle sure would make it easier to mount the droppers to just depends what you can get your hands on.
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2 hey sam i got 2 years probation . i told the phychiatrist that the AA classes is nothing but a cruch . he didnt like that much and started telling that AA is there for people who need help . ...the office told me i would get 6 month probation . then the shrink told me a year .. then i called the office and now they are telling me 2 years . well they got meby the balls for 2 years anyway .
ya sam , i wasnt ready for what happened in the grow room . thing really took off fore the 1 plant. i cloned the shit out her the other week .i got sofar 8 clones out of 37 . the rest should come along shortly .. i cleaned the 4x4 table in the flower room . . for now im going to take the clone that are ready and put them on the 4x4 table to veg for awhile . i have to go back to work . .
both rooms arer not ready . to much stuff to do for now so im going to veg tilll i get back home , and then set up the flower room with mother and the 4x4 table in one room and flower everthing for now . i really need to work on my ventilation . . i need to find the 12 inch ducting . i think i might get a new hood thats bigger and also fits a 4x4 table with no hot spots in the center .its also has 6 inch intake and exhaust holes .what would be better with the new hood 600 hps or 1000 hps . i think the 1000 would be better . what do you think ?/
ya sam , i wasnt ready for what happened in the grow room . thing really took off fore the 1 plant. i cloned the shit out her the other week .i got sofar 8 clones out of 37 . the rest should come along shortly .. i cleaned the 4x4 table in the flower room . . for now im going to take the clone that are ready and put them on the 4x4 table to veg for awhile . i have to go back to work . .
both rooms arer not ready . to much stuff to do for now so im going to veg tilll i get back home , and then set up the flower room with mother and the 4x4 table in one room and flower everthing for now . i really need to work on my ventilation . . i need to find the 12 inch ducting . i think i might get a new hood thats bigger and also fits a 4x4 table with no hot spots in the center .its also has 6 inch intake and exhaust holes .what would be better with the new hood 600 hps or 1000 hps . i think the 1000 would be better . what do you think ?/
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ran into a problem on the table . one thing the table wasnt draining fast enough so i put the pump on a timer . then the sray heads werent working like they should .so i changed those out . things are looking ok for the table . the clones root are staying wet.drains doing good..
i ended up putting all the plants in one room ,the room with the a/c . 1 600 hps over the table and the mother next to the table . no light over the mother , for now .maybe later i will .
i ended up putting all the plants in one room ,the room with the a/c . 1 600 hps over the table and the mother next to the table . no light over the mother , for now .maybe later i will .
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well a fews things have changed . i left for work . ive been gone for 6 wks . i left the old lady to handle thing while i was gone . the plant grew to tall for the table and light . they are about 2 inches from the the light . i dont have any more head space . im taped out of room . the only thing i can come up with is take the table form the stand . that would give me about another 2 ft of room . i dont know if i can but where therers a will theres a way . i hope . i post some pics later today .
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any advice
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WHATS UP SAM .
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Well . a few things have changed , i ran a grow through both rooms. it was adisaster. anthing that cpuld go wrong wenrt wrong .
But all in all it was a learning experence and got a little( a very lttle ) smoke out of it .
ps. i was showing my spouce how to grow ,right . wrong bad idea . she dont listen ,SHE cut all the lower popcorn off . then the plant it self , because that was all that was left , oh theres more plants left she says .She knows it all and has been there and done that ( twice ) lol .. but i love her and im willing o show her the right way . im just saying (OTHER PEOPLES KIDS ).........
Im starting over. Im going to make the changes to the ventalation so i can get the temps down to around mid 70's.
i plan on running hydro so i have a chiller to keep the resivor temps down to what ever i need .
But all in all it was a learning experence and got a little( a very lttle ) smoke out of it .
ps. i was showing my spouce how to grow ,right . wrong bad idea . she dont listen ,SHE cut all the lower popcorn off . then the plant it self , because that was all that was left , oh theres more plants left she says .She knows it all and has been there and done that ( twice ) lol .. but i love her and im willing o show her the right way . im just saying (OTHER PEOPLES KIDS ).........
Im starting over. Im going to make the changes to the ventalation so i can get the temps down to around mid 70's.
i plan on running hydro so i have a chiller to keep the resivor temps down to what ever i need .
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