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TB Gardens · Jan 11, 2011

WOAH! something is taking over my garden, and it is rapidly accelerating. i have no idea what is going on, i haven't seen any traces of bugs.

STRAINS:
- White widdow
- lemon skunk
- skunk #1

LAY OUT:
- 12x8 room
- currently only running 2000 watts thru cooled/ducted hoods
- in 2.5 gal pots (for about 3 weeks now)
- around 45 days veg now, started from cuttings
- will be transplanted into 5 gals + 1600 more watts for penetration lighting

SOIL MIX:
1 - 3.8cf bag of Pro-Mix
1- 2cf bag of Miracle Grow Organic
1/4 bag of Fox Farm: Ocean Forest
1 - cup Blood Meal
1 - cup Bone Meal
1.5 cups Kelp Meal
3/4 cup Dolomite Lime
20% perlite
5% Vermiculite

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Midnight Tokar · Jan 11, 2011

It looks to me like you have run out of nitrogen and/or they are root bound.

stonedar · Jan 11, 2011

have you used that soil mix before or is this your 1st run with it?

DiscoBiscuit · Jan 11, 2011

I second both posts. It's either root bound or the mix isn't cooperating.

3/4 cups of lime...

that should break down to ~1 tablespoon per gallon plus additional lime for the measured amount of ferts. How did you get the 3/4 cup measurement?

Never mind. If you're comfortable that lime isn't the problem, disregard the next line...

IMO, you're root bound and or too much or too little lime in the mix. Too many defs are happening at once. It looks like you have lock out if that's possible with organics.

PhytoChrome · Jan 11, 2011

Any liquid Nutrients?
What is the pH of the water?

Yes, Nitrogen def and maybe K as well

northstate · Jan 12, 2011

There are some things going on in those pics... Some N def for sure in some also serious ph issues turning things yellow in others. Plus a few healthy looking ones, all shades. Did you cook your mix or just go live? Biology in organics tends to need a slightly larger container to keep enough food and members of the microherd content. Are you overwatering them possibly trying to "help"? Soil ph could be low and blocking your amendments, hard to say I will stay tuned... NS

TB Gardens · Jan 12, 2011

okay thanks for all the responses.

i just got back from the setup, transplanted all the really yellow ones into 3.5 gal buckets. in person the yellowing isn't nearly as bad. im thinking everyone is right on with them being root bound. roots looked good and healthy but all tangled and bound up at bottom of potters.

i am absolutely gettin a thrip or spidermite infestation tho. one of the girls has little white tracks all over her leaves, so i isolated that one from the rest. what works best knocking out thrips? I will get the new pics up as soon as i can get them loaded up.

To Answer Some Questions:

- current pH is unknown (i know im a pot head, we need a pH pen)
- YES this is my first time with this soil mix, i copied it from a head on the forums here who had great results & said it was formulated for tap water
- NO i did not pre-water my mix a couple weeks for micronutes, just went right at it
- NO we are not using any liquid/powder nutrients.. just straight organic soil mix + water

--- Thanks again, i will keep everyone updated with how they recover from the transplant. And again, Im trying to get all these new pics loaded up so I can get some input on what exactly is happening with the bugs.. i am pretty sure its thrips tho. so if anyone knows what will GET RID OF THRIPS please let me know and lemme know where i can get it! plenty of hydro stores around, just need to know what works best. Also i will make sure i pick up a pH pen to find out the pH of the water tomorrow.

stonedar · Jan 12, 2011

I thought it was Burnone's mix
what color was the bag the miracle grow organic soil came in?
Burnone didn't use the Tan/brown bag he used the green really large bag you only see in nurseries. two very different products.
maybe I'm wrong and you're using a different mix than the one I am thinking of

good luck with the bugs too

TB Gardens · Jan 12, 2011

ya i think it is burnones mix, i couldnt remember who i got it from haha, thanks. We got the green bag, Organic Growers Choice fursure.

Hammerhead · Jan 12, 2011

all the plants in the room look droopy. You need to get that PH pen ASAP. You can not grow cannabis without a PH pen. Some may disagree with me but PH is the first thing I buy and im a Organic soilless grower. Looks like your PH is off and your watering to much.

RoachClip · Jan 12, 2011

I agree first step is to make sure you monitor your PH & PPM and I would replace that Miracle grow and spend a few more $$$ and get "Roots Organic" has more kick for healthier plants and higher yields then any miracle grow products IMO..

Dn't skimp on a reliable digital pen because you could end up with a lost grow because of not having the right equipment..

TB Gardens · Jan 12, 2011

TB Gardens · Jan 12, 2011

thanks for the input - i will def try the Roots Organic next time. we really didnt want to use Miracle Grow Organic but we were afraid to stray from burnoneups soil mix.

as far as overwatering, it is not a problem. your looking at thirsty girls, my guy let them go too long without watering this past week. ive done this for years, and i am in landscaping, so i am pretty good on making sure they are receiving the correct amount of water. just not the best on handling nute defs and pH probs :-x apparently. although i will say this is my first time all organic so i guess first time anything u run into probs & learn new things.

pH pen is absolutely findin its way into the room tomorrow, so ill keep u all posted on the readings

¿kama3 · Jan 12, 2011

soil ph too high, alkaline i think, conscidering your receipe.
some of the leaves look like too high humidity also

and you better do something about thoes bugs fast!

Hammerhead · Jan 12, 2011

TB no problem bro we all have had issues at some point in one of our grows. The longer you grow the more things you will see and know how to fix. With Experience come knowledge. When I first started growing seriously I asked all kinds of questions. It funny cause I through out some bag seeds in the back one year and never took one look at them. One day doing the yard work I saw this big cannabis plant behind the garden shed. She was in perfect condition and a girl to boot. Never had any Nutrients and I never watered her. She just drank fir the auto sprinkler's. Turned out to be some nice smoke.

TB Gardens · Jan 12, 2011

luckily the bugs were infested on only one plant and i isolated that girl, the other ones are relatively clean.

TB Gardens · Jan 12, 2011

Okay, we applied Monterey Garden thrip killer, active ingredient Spinosad. I remember using this stuff years ago, but I think my infestation was too far gone at that point to totally save them. I have confidence with it this time, only 1 girl is bad & is isolated.

If anyone is familiar with Monterey Garden? Results? How long for recovery?

PhytoChrome · Jan 13, 2011

Look under the leaves for Spider Mites. You will see microscopic eggs, and maybe some black adults. Hopefully not webbing, but that is a sign as well. Get a microscope.
If there are eggs and bugs on the underside of the leaf then you have spider mites, and a big struggle agead of you. Have no fear, this is a learning process...

northstate · Jan 13, 2011

That looks like spider mite tracks to me. Thrips leave a little silvery/grey look to plants leaves and shiny trail. The underside will tell all...NS

Edit:
Thrips for sure but look like both to me.
Treat all your plants and dont think just because you cant see them they are not there. Just say no to super mites. NS

kushking20 · Jan 13, 2011

Looks like u might need a ph pen or testing kit. Could u be watering too much?Those white spot are spider mite damage and the little black specks are the spider mites so u might want to start fittin them ASAP as it will be along battle if u don't start killin em off.

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