DRAGON FLOWER - ANYONE TRIED IT?

[dmt]

lol this is no debate i assure you. 0-2-4 is the same ratio as 0-20-40 lol. and flower dragon is that ratio. its a ratio of percentages. im trying to clarify your confusion. this post is about flower dragon, not a clinic in how you want to see things.

the ratio is 0-1-2. that is canna specific, as flower dragon is. its not 0-50-0, or 0-46-23, its 0-1-2. it can be 0-.1-.2, the RATIO is the same. when i mxx flowerdragon with 1600ppm, do you think the 9ppm makes adiff too the 1600 lol

fulvic and humic acid are not nutrients btw, they and additives that catalyse your nutes and condition the soil and root zone. they are very diluted but still have some n-p-k. n-p-k is not a ppm but a % lol

flower dragon rocks, and it isnt superbud or phospholaod. do i trust the guy, yes. did he lie to compromise his work? well get the r e done and lets see, d

 

[springer20]

So you've not read your quote then

Lol

I'll have to bring a 0-0.000000000001-0.000000000002 nutrient out as according to you it's cannabis specific hahaha

 

[danks]

6 types of pgrs that can be manipulated for enhanced growth. only snce the 70s have they had the technoology to test in such minute amounts tht are used up by plants and though some are said to kill cancer cells some enhance it. i think ill just let nature do its thing. like ive always said the cheapest and best bloom booster is a bottle of grow 2-0-6 .

 

[springer20]

lol this is no debate i assure you. 0-2-4 is the same ratio as 0-20-40 lol
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But it's not the same dilution ratio

That's the point !!!!!!

Reread your quotes dude, look at the npk of flower dragon, then have a look at the npk of water and have a little think while you smoke a bowl

Then have a think about what's in it

 

[springer20]

. n-p-k is not a ppm but a % d

finally , that's the point

The percentage of sod all is ............ Sod all

Hence my point about flower dragon, it contains negliable npk

It's not the same as 0-9-18 or whatever numbers you quoted

Because there percentages as you said !!!

How is this so difficult dude .

Eg

0.9.18 is 9 percent and 18 percent active ingredients

0-0.1-0.2 is 1 percent and 2 percent active ingredients

?????

So flower dragon is nothing at all like a 0-9-18 like you said

Ratios are the same ... The strength is far from being the same as Tried to explain on page1

 

[dmt]

Notation and terminology

The ratio of numbers A and B can be expressed as:[4]
the ratio of A to B
A is to B
A:B
The numbers A and B are sometimes called terms with A being the antecedent and B being the consequent.
The proportion expressing the equality of the ratios A:B and C is written A:B=C or A:B::C. this latter form, when spoken or written in the English language, is often expressed as
A is to B as C is to D.
Again, A, B, C, D are called the terms of the proportion. A and D are called the extremes, and B and C are called the means. The equality of three or more proportions is called a continued proportion.[5]
History and etymology

when u understand what a ratio is, then you'll understand what ive been saying.

fulvic or humic acid are undeniably beneficial to plants, but barely if rarely inrease ppm to plants.

do you think a suppliment, like flower dragon, humates or sugar need n-p-k/ppm to be beneficial to plants? lol.......

there is a long list of hormones, amino acida and beneficials with no npk or ppm once added to your rez....trust me

npk stands for percentages, and the number s are relative to eachother. 0-10-10 is the same as 0-.10-.10, in ratio (refer to defention). 2-0-6 wouldnt be the best imvho, but it will be closer then 0-50-0 for cannabis.

1-3-6 or 0-2-4 is the same or similar to the canna bloombooster ratio, and no matter what you say it doesnt change that fact. ratios are a constant, and not static as you would like to believe.

flower dragon is made in canada, so no more american fda standards please, or whatever us guidelines you are using as refernce.

i learned common denominators in like grade 7 or earlier. no matter how you break it down.

0-1-2 is the best pk booster for canna, d

 

[dmt]

in laimens terms 0=1=2 or 0:1:2 0r 0-1.5-3.0 for flower dragon, d

 

[TheBioMaster]

awsome, you solved that mystery...now can find out why the company charging 120 bucks a bottle will not respond to emails?

 

[funkymonkey]

dmt you really are making a fool out of yourself here.

The fact is, flower dragon is mostly water and the ppm values are so low it has for all intents and purposes no nutrient value, there is nothing in it that feeds the plant, pure and simple and if you can't understand that then you don't understand the first thing about plant nutrition.

So if there is nothing in flower dragon that feed the plant why does it have an effect on the plant?

That will be the harmful and toxic pgrs in it.

Flower Dragon is 99% water and the rest is chemicals that are not safe for human consumption.

Only a fool would use something like that.

The price they charge is ridiculous, they have diluted the formula down as far as they possibly can before the product loses all effectiveness, pgrs are only needed in minute quantities so the 99% water formula of flower dragon still works but come on, paying their huge price for a bottle of water with a drop of pgrs in it? That is retarded. You can buy PGR products in very much stronger concentrations from ammenity and commercial horticulture suppliers, they aren't cheap, the price is similar to Flower Dragon, but they aren't 99% water and there is as much PGRs in one bottle of the Ag stuff as you would get in a hundred bottles of Flower Dragon so Flower Dragon is marked up 1000% (yes, one thousand percent, not a typo) over other pgr products. Probably all the Flower Dragon folks are doing is buying a common horti pgr product and watering it down 100x then rebottling it.

So not only is this a product that is not safe for human consumption, it's also one hundred times more expensive than other products that do the same thing.

All these are obvious facts, i just fail to see how anyone can be so stupid as to buy into this stuff, 120 bucks for a bottle of water with a drop of poison in it, oh yeah, gimme ten of em, I'll go render all my buds unfit for human consumption by dosing my plants with this stuff right away.

 

[dmt]

only a fool would base his thesis and philosophy on assumptions. even if they are educated, they are still assumptions. show me the lab report and i will acquiesce.

not knowing what a ratio is is pretty rookie, and confusing ppm with npk is the icing on the cake. then telling me they grew weed just to bin it lol

take the time and read every post ive made, then do the same for yourself. notice how every time i use practicality to inform you, you change the subject to defend your assumptions.

fact:the ratio is canna specific/npk is not a ppm measurement but a % value/the guy says its kosher.

the first 2 are indisputable, the last one is a fact, becuase i know the guy, but yet to be determined by a professional in a lab, i dont know how much more pragmatic i can be, d


ps if you havent noticed, most all liquid ferts are 99% water, and marked up 1000%, just like evrything else on a retail end lol

 

[funkymonkey]

I can't believe you're being this dense, look at the ppms of the stuff, it's a bottle of water with a tiny bit of pgrs in it.

All liquid ferts 99% water? Clearly you have no understanding of the chemistry.

A ratio of 1:2 P to K doesn't make it cannabis specific, that is a ratio that Mel Frank espoused 30 years ago and is only a general guideline, all strains have different requirements, some plants will prefer more K, some less, the 1:2 ratio is not written in stone, it is merely a starting point.

Besides, there isn't enough P or K in Flower Dragon to even make it a fertiliser, look how low the PPMs are, it's water and pgrs, there are no nutrients in it.

Sorry but you're obviously extremely misinformed about all this and there's no point trying to educate you because you seem to feel you already know it all.

 

[dmt]

u live in the uk right?

this is the formula i would be doing......

:what is sodium flouride? whats the ppm in my drinking water? how does this effect me emotionally, physically and mentally? what can i do to avoid sodium fluoride? what can i do to reverse its effects?

these are some basic questions i have for members of the kcc if they live in a place where the water is flouridated, as it is in the uk. the effect is paramount on the endocrine system, especially the pineal gland. its all starting to make sense now.

flouride ions effect mood, demeanor and iq, amongst other problems like bone and teeth flourosis. it also causes cancer. since youve brought us way off topic from the op, we might as well focus on what we put in our bodies if its that important what we put into our beloved plants, d

 

[funkymonkey]

The water where I live isn't fluoridated, never has been. PPM is always too low to register on my truncheon and is always PH 6 to 6.2 because it comes straight off the mountains.

I haven't taken this way off-topic, all of my posts are about Flower Dragon which is the topic.

You don't understand the chemistry so you're off on a tangent about fluoride.

If you can't understand what Flower Dragon is and why it does what it does to plants then you really shouldn't be mouthing off about it. People need to know the truth about this product and why it is a toxic piece of crap that has no place being anywhere near any plant that is intended for human consumption.

You're ignoring so many facts such as Flower Dragon being a bottle of water with the very bear minimum of pgrs needed to have an effect yet it costs as much as buying a litre of concentrated pgrs. You can buy enough pgrs to make 100 bottles of Flower Dragon for the price of one bottle of Flower Dragon which makes Flower Dragon incredibly overpriced.

So it's an incredible rip-off, not safe to use and comes from people with a track record of selling harmful toxins. Yet you still think it's a great canna-specific fertiliser. Jeez.

Clearly you're highly deluded about this product and no amount of common sense facts will get through to you.

 

[dmt]

i cant name any chem or organic nutes that anyone would drink lol or eat lol.

u think cuz u mix your own nutes that it isnt bad for your water shed the earth or you lol?

so with your knowledge and skill of chemistry, u expect me to believe that 1 drop of somethin thats 0.1ppm in a bottle, diluted by 1000 when mixed, then ate/filtered by plants in the first to third week of flowering is toxic for everyones health lol

listen geezer, i dont have to be a registered chemist to understand simple mathmatics.

the spray to ripen bananas is more harmful, and those are things we eat.

if you dont like dutchmaster or flower dragon that already makes you biased, which would be enough to eliminate you from jury duty in most places.

the shit works, and everyone knows it does.

i get it at a discounted rate, sometimes free.

lets say the average grower makes 100 bucks an hour, and his store is 30 min away. that bottle of flower dragon just cost 130 plus the hour drive plus gas etc.

lets say the average grower then spent half a day finding a wholsaler, then driving further then usual to buy a specialty item, then thew time it takes to handle it, dilute it and apply it, plus any extra resources neede for the process. id be down at the pub or the beach relaxing enjoying myself while the cheapskate spends his life tryna save a dime. doesnt add up.

bottom line: everything in this world is overpriced if you dont make it yerself. thats a no brainer. most ferts are dangerous for us and the earth. i dont see you snorting or drinking ammonium nitrate for desert every night hahaha so thats a poison, and in every fertiliser almost.

ps f d is not a fert, its an additive, d

 

[303hydro]

Have to bump my own thread on this subject again.

http://www.integralhydro.com/flowerdragon.html


DMT, cmon man. People who grow for large numbers of people should be extra snob on trying questionable products like this.

I bet you used advanced too.


Also I would not argue w/ the funky monkey about nutes as you will not win.

 

[funkymonkey]

I give up, you're never gonna listen. All the info is right in front of your face but you have some wierd way of looking at things.

That integralhydro page is full of good info as is the rest of that site, everyone could learn from reading it, I know I did.

 

[dmt]

il have a paper from ag canada soon with the breakdown of ingredients, before it was allowed to be sold.

its still an assumption until proven otherwise, and you know what they say about those, peace, d

 

[funkymonkey]

Be prepared to eat humble pie when you find out what's in that shit.

PGRs are legal to sell, they are perfectly safe for use on ornamental plants so AG Canada can't ban a product for having PGRs in it, it is down to the consumer to realise said product is not safe to use on plants you will then consume.

You haven't read that integralhydro page have ya? The people selling Flower Dragon have tried hard to hide who they are and their previous links to Superbud, have not answered any questions about what's in their shit.

I was in a big hydro store last weekend, there is Flower Dragon on the shelf next to the copy of Superbud that's still being sold and the guy behind he counter is telling these customers 'it's the same as Superbud without the PK, that's why it's 30 quid cheaper'. 99ukp for Superbud, 69ukp for Flower Dragon. Poisons sure are expensive these days!

 

[Guest 18340]

toohighmf, where ya at buddy?

 

[funkymonkey]

Be good to hear toohigh's input on this.