A is 4 PiMp's n00b cabinet grow

[A is 4 PiMp]

So this is my little setup so far:

The strain is: bagseed

The cabinet is

11 and 3/4 in. deep
2 ft wide
2 ft. and 4 in. tall

Its got 3 exhaust fans total (theres only 2 in the pic, I just added the 3rd one a lil bit ago) and 1 intake fan towards the bottom

For nutes:

Veg: Grow Big
Flower: Big bloom

And for the lighting

Veg: 2 100W CFL 5000K, 1750 lumens each

flowering: 4 60W CFL 2700K, 900 lumens each

Started germing the seeds on sunday afternoon and some finally popped this morning!

These seeds are OLD (like at least 1-3 years) and the were sealed in a baggy at the bottom of my closet

I've got more seeds germing still i was going to use this thursday as a cut-off date whatever hasn't cracked or shown a root is getting left behind, i didnt really expect these seeds to be any good.

 

[puffinchron]

Damn...at 93 degrees? wow I thought my setup was ghetto.... How big is the intake?

 

[A is 4 PiMp]

Damn...at 93 degrees? wow I thought my setup was ghetto.... How big is the intake?

Yeah lol I know

the intake fan is 2 and 1/2 inches, that temp was before I added the 3rd exhaust fan, now its around 90 at light level (in the pic) and 85-87 around can level

Its a pretty shitty setup, I know, but im not trying to make a massive yield either, if i can get a few grams out of this i'll be happy

 

[puffinchron]

I'm pretty sure u need more intake than that. I heard it should be 2-3 times bigger than the size of the exhaust. Are those home made carbon filters?

 

[A is 4 PiMp]

I'm pretty sure u need more intake than that. I heard it should be 2-3 times bigger than the size of the exhaust. Are those home made carbon filters?

Yeah...thats where I think I messed up, been thinking about just doing away with the tiny ass intake fan and cutting out a bigger passive intake hole



And yes they are home made carbon filters, even though right now I don't need them so they are pretty much a light trap.

I know this is ghetto (should've renamed the title) but if it works it works if not then oh well it was a learning experience

 

[Arthur Dent.]

Damn Right, If it works it works. If you think about it G-ds grow room is ghetto too.

A is 4 PiMp,good shit guy. best of luck hope to see mad buds.

Namaste

 

[JAAM]

C'mon you gotta be kidding having the lights laying down on top of some books right???????

Your way under lit & that aluminum foil is useless... Flat white paint is your best option or panda film... NOT ALUMINUM FOIL...

you got a lotta reading to do....

 

[Purple Monster]

is this a joke?

 

[A is 4 PiMp]

C'mon you gotta be kidding having the lights laying down on top of some books right???????

Your way under lit & that aluminum foil is useless... Flat white paint is your best option or panda film... NOT ALUMINUM FOIL...

you got a lotta reading to do....

Yes I know, not the very smartest idea, they aren't laying directly on the books though, i'm working on a rig right now to suspend the lights from the top so I can take all that other crap out of there tonigth

There's alot of things I should've done differently but oh well im learning as I go

And those are the insides of chip bags lol, they've been cleaned off before I put them up, and as of last night I took all that shit down.

Smoking before trying to setup a grow isn't a very good idea


I know this is a shitty setup but not everybody can afford 100000 jigawatt HPS and 200+ CFM blowers (extreme exaggeration but you get the point) i'm just trying to make do with what I have and if I catch some flak in the process then so be it.

 

[A is 4 PiMp]

Got some new pics, I tore all that shit off the walls and rigged a light holder out of coat hangers and took the books out of there, i dont know wtf i was thinking when I got started

Before

After

Theres sum filter on the camera that my fiancee forgot to turn off and I don't feel like messing with thats why the pics look like that

temp is 87.5 @ 50% humidity

 

[cirog]

Just a thought about your container choice, I would avoid using metal as it can corrode and have negative affects on your soil. Just my 2 cents but I would stick with plastic bottles if your going to go with stuff you got lying around.

 

[Chomp]

There's nothing wrong with using those chip bags; they are made out of Mylar after all....you just need to clean them really good and make sure they are flat against the walls.

Never Never NEVER set any F'ing part of a light bulb on a flammable surface; as a former electrician I want to give you a swirly in a dirty bowl for that. Mount those lights right and don't F around with electricity if you don't know what your doing. It's better to buy pot than burn your house down and end up dead...

Have a nice day

Chomp

 

[A is 4 PiMp]

Just a thought about your container choice, I would avoid using metal as it can corrode and have negative affects on your soil. Just my 2 cents but I would stick with plastic bottles if your going to go with stuff you got lying around.

Good call, I was going to transplant them into 1/2 gallon containers or whatever larger containers we have laying around after they all sprout

I forgot to add that earlier I accidently knocked over the monster can, some soil fell out, I freaked out of course but after sifting through the spilled soil with my fingers I looked and saw the seed (in the soil inside the can) with the cotyledon leaves barely coming out, so i think it will be fine.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

PiMp, each 2.5" exhaust hole needs two 2.5" intake holes. With three 2.5" fans, that's 7.5 inches of exhaust.

One 5 x 3 inch rectangular hole = 15 square inches.

Six 2.5" holes = 15 square inches


If your intake holes are small (one or two inches dia) you'll have to calculate the area of a circle (radius squared x 3.14).

For example, fifteen 1" holes is less than 12 square inches. You'd need 19 or 20 one inch holes to approximate 15 sq inches.

 

[Emph]

PiMp,

I started out just like you... Threw shit together and was just hopin' to maybe get a quarter ounce out of three plants... I've since been building and designing and growing and it's a BLAST!!!

People have already addressed the book and fire issue, you've fixed that... The piece I want to touch on is your choice of container for the plants.

The metal in those cans will corrode, rust, etc as you water. Their deposits will leak into the soil and potentially damage your plants! Red solo cups will work fine, I've seen people flower plants in them.

As for hanging your lights, what I did was get the sockets to wall adapters, then just use a power strip with an angled multiplug to let me hang my lights. The power strips have mounting holes on the back that you can just latch them into a screw in the ceiling and hang them there.

My biggest mistake was under-lighting with improper color temps. What type of bulbs are those? For veg, you want daylight or bright white. Because of the sepia filter on your camera, can't really tell from those pics :\

If you're tryin' for a stealth grow, I'd replace all those intakes with a single, powerful enough fan. Squirrel cage fans are available for as cheap as $10... You want to exchange the air (ideally) once every minute, but no less than once every 5 mins. Your 12" x 24" x 28" cab is like, 5 cubic feet? So a single fan as an exhaust should be enough for you... (I'm using this: http://www.surplussales.com/fans-blowers/fansblow-1.html for my 3x2x3 cab). That'll give you enough air exchange easily, since its rated for 28 CFM.

For odor control, you can build your own carbon scrubber for about $40... Here's a link to one on ICMag that I'll be building shortly. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=51843

Hope this helps!

Emph

 

[JAAM]

Yes I know, not the very smartest idea, they aren't laying directly on the books though, i'm working on a rig right now to suspend the lights from the top so I can take all that other crap out of there tonigth

There's alot of things I should've done differently but oh well im learning as I go

And those are the insides of chip bags lol, they've been cleaned off before I put them up, and as of last night I took all that shit down.

Smoking before trying to setup a grow isn't a very good idea


I know this is a shitty setup but not everybody can afford 100000 jigawatt HPS and 200+ CFM blowers (extreme exaggeration but you get the point) i'm just trying to make do with what I have and if I catch some flak in the process then so be it.

Hey man I wasn giving you slack... and im sorry if thats the way i came off....

I know you gotta work with whatcha got sometimes and i was just trying to help ya out...

i in no way was makin fun of your setup... I was just trying to keep ya from literally "burnin down the house" & improve your setup alil...

 

[AsbestosToast]

Hey man, looks like you got a nice little home-made setup going. Once you get the ventilation dialed in, your temps should be much better. I will warn you that I also started my very first grow without completely finishing my box; high temps, improper soil, etc. The result was 3 males that were riddled with complications.

The lesson to be learned is it pays off big time to have your environment dialed in before you even sprout seeds. It makes growing much easier and enjoyable, and the only problems they have are from me being a noob haha. BUT, like you i also used old bagseed so it was not a matter of waste as it was a matter of frustration of watching my plants not do well.

But you already put them in soil so good luck! There is an indispensable thread on ventilation that I found via the ICMag DIY Link-O-Rama that should help you out a lot. Don't underestimate the bagseed either, the 3 year old bagseed girl in my box may even turn out one of the best.

One last note, haters gon hate on your ghetto set up, but if you put your ego aside and listen, the people on this site will help you in every way they can to see you get good results from your grow, so take in all the information, do your own research, but don't be afraid to ask questions.

Good Luck!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

A is 4 PiMp, best wishes with your grows. If you dig growing half as much as me, you'll have lots of fun. We all experienced trials and tribs, especially those who design, build and outfit their first cab.

My first cab was a pro-audio console. It was stealth as hell, especially when parked beside a stack of stage monitors. I'm a decent cabinetmaker but I destroyed the cab with revision after revision of the air system. Stealth went to hell and the cab looked like swiss cheese, lol. I had to chuck it and build another.

You're rockin' your prototype, dude! I should have had you around when I started cutting holes in the old cab.

 

[Anti]

If you have three different EXHAUST fans you need about SIX passive (no fan) intakes to compensate.

Take the fan off your intake unless you have it perfectly calibrated to bring in exactly as much air as your three exhaust are sucking out. I'd be willing to bet that simply adding some passive intakes and removing your intake fan will bring your temps into line.

 

[A is 4 PiMp]

PiMp,

I started out just like you... Threw shit together and was just hopin' to maybe get a quarter ounce out of three plants... I've since been building and designing and growing and it's a BLAST!!!

lol i'm not shooting for some massive yield, a 1/2 oz or even a 1/4 would be nice, just enough for me and my fiancee to have a lil something to smoke on after her pregnancy (and after she's done breastfeeding of course)

People have already addressed the book and fire issue, you've fixed that... The piece I want to touch on is your choice of container for the plants.


The metal in those cans will corrode, rust, etc as you water. Their deposits will leak into the soil and potentially damage your plants! Red solo cups will work fine, I've seen people flower plants in them.

I don't know why I didn't think of that either, I was planning on transplanting them immediately after they sprout anyways. Do you think they would be ok if I transferred them like a day or 2 after they reach the surface?

As for hanging your lights, what I did was get the sockets to wall adapters, then just use a power strip with an angled multiplug to let me hang my lights. The power strips have mounting holes on the back that you can just latch them into a screw in the ceiling and hang them there.

My biggest mistake was under-lighting with improper color temps. What type of bulbs are those? For veg, you want daylight or bright white. Because of the sepia filter on your camera, can't really tell from those pics :\

Heres a link to the lights im using (for veg)
http://www.homedepot.com/Electrical...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

If you're tryin' for a stealth grow, I'd replace all those intakes with a single, powerful enough fan. Squirrel cage fans are available for as cheap as $10... You want to exchange the air (ideally) once every minute, but no less than once every 5 mins. Your 12" x 24" x 28" cab is like, 5 cubic feet? So a single fan as an exhaust should be enough for you... (I'm using this: http://www.surplussales.com/fans-blowers/fansblow-1.html for my 3x2x3 cab). That'll give you enough air exchange easily, since its rated for 28 CFM.


Yeah thats another thing i've been thinking about, I don't want to go with a ultra powerful fan that makes a shitload of noise because right now the 4 fans in the cabinet make less noise then my xbox when running!

I've been trying to think of a passive intake + light trap design out of some boxes I have laying around but idk i'm not too sure it would turn out very well, I might just end up getting a bunch of extra 2.5'' pc fans from a friend and line the bottom of the cabinet with it as a last resort.

For odor control, you can build your own carbon scrubber for about $40... Here's a link to one on ICMag that I'll be building shortly. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=51843

I made 3 like the one in this thread
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=86726
Hope this helps!

Emph

Hey man I wasn giving you slack... and im sorry if thats the way i came off....

I know you gotta work with whatcha got sometimes and i was just trying to help ya out...

i in no way was makin fun of your setup... I was just trying to keep ya from literally "burnin down the house" & improve your setup alil...

Its all good I understand. To anyone reading this I will advise DONT GET HIGH AND TRY TO SETUP A GROW. Because as you saw, it ended in disaster lol

Hey man, looks like you got a nice little home-made setup going. Once you get the ventilation dialed in, your temps should be much better. I will warn you that I also started my very first grow without completely finishing my box; high temps, improper soil, etc. The result was 3 males that were riddled with complications.

After removing all them books and the chip bags the highest temps have ever been is 87, is this still too high?

Before I did all that the highest was 97 at light level!

The lesson to be learned is it pays off big time to have your environment dialed in before you even sprout seeds. It makes growing much easier and enjoyable, and the only problems they have are from me being a noob haha. BUT, like you i also used old bagseed so it was not a matter of waste as it was a matter of frustration of watching my plants not do well.

But you already put them in soil so good luck! There is an indispensable thread on ventilation that I found via the ICMag DIY Link-O-Rama that should help you out a lot. Don't underestimate the bagseed either, the 3 year old bagseed girl in my box may even turn out one of the best.

One last note, haters gon hate on your ghetto set up, but if you put your ego aside and listen, the people on this site will help you in every way they can to see you get good results from your grow, so take in all the information, do your own research, but don't be afraid to ask questions.

Oh trust me I know, thats why I didn't get all butthurt unlike some of the people that I see on forums these days
Good Luck!

EDIT: So i just checked the cab now that the lights are back on. The temps are as follows:

Lowest: 77.7 @ 25% humidity
Highest: 92 friggin degrees @ 40% humidity!!! Although for the life of me I can't remember if I cleared the memory after I took all the books out, so I might be wrong about the highs.


Most definitely I need to get my temps under control ASAP, on the other hand, look what I found!

Thats the can that I knocked over on accident, yet its somehow the first to sprout!

If he/she is still all alone by this saturday then i'm going to start germing some more ancient bagseeds and try again