8 3gal smartpots of Royal Gold,FIRST TIME COCO GROWER

[green_thumb...]

the first set of pix are of the clones freshly put into the coco so they couldnt have been burnt then and the second set of pix is with only one nute feeding so again i dont think they are burnt.

the only thing iv been giving every feeding is calmag and dripclean,and thats one time a day.

 

[buddin_904]

Every pic you've posted is of a plant that's overfed. The burnt leaf tips are the signal.

are you kidding....they all look malnurished....look at the yellowed new growths....the coco stole the nutes...they need more N and micros in general.....

the ONLY one i can agree with you on is the dark green LVPK...but even the new shoots are yellow and lacking micros....


im glad you, green thumb can agree with me,...some other posters on the brick coco damaging grow thread dont seem to like my experienced advice....

you were fine not flushing them....it just looks like they can be fixed in a matter of days if u boost the nutes a little....IMO, if you "flushed" them...they would be severely FUCKED and so deprived of nutes they would probably die....just "flush" them through with a heavy watering next time you feed....that will do the trick of "flushing" them....but for gods sake please dont run plain water on those babys.....feed(nute) coco with every watering

the best advice on watering them is once you plopped those clones in...treat it like a soil grow for a week or 2....then, once roots are established in the coco, you can water as many times a day as youd like....some users on here dont even have run off....i personally maintain the 10-20% run off once daily philosophy with at least 3 feeds a day ( once roots are established)

 

[green_thumb...]

Thanks for the advise buddin_904,I only flushed the small lvpk all the others are starting to look good,I fed them today with 5ml/gal calmag,5ml/gal of each DMG A+B and a few drops of dripclean in the gallon,I used 1 gallon of feed water for all 7 smartpots and one in a hard pot.

I hope things really turn around because I'd like to get some 5ft trees to flower in the next 4-5weeks or so.

 

[Lazyman]

multiple drippers per pot will depend on the watering duration, if you arent able to get enough water to them during the cycle added drippers will be necessary. keep the coco evenly wet and DONT let it dry out...also lvpk and bubba are nearly identical you'll see. good luck man!

This is good advice after the clones have rooted out in the pot, but when plants are very new/small they really need to be kept fairly dry to grow roots. They will keep growing roots, searching for moisture. Water lightly when the pots are almost bone dry (before they wilt) and once you see roots poking out of the smartpots, THEN you can water all the time if desired.

 

[green_thumb...]

Thanks for all the great advise guys,yeah they've been in there almost 3 weeks now very little growth but they are startin to green back up slowly tho,I water when I pull a small hand of coco and squeeze the shit out of it and no water drips and the coco doesn't sticl to me hand,they have been drinking more too.

I noticed iv been watering them 3-4 times in a 48hr period.

 

[Lazyman]

Thanks for all the great advise guys,yeah they've been in there almost 3 weeks now very little growth but they are startin to green back up slowly tho,I water when I pull a small hand of coco and squeeze the shit out of it and no water drips and the coco doesn't sticl to me hand,they have been drinking more too.

I noticed iv been watering them 3-4 times in a 48hr period.

Way too much for small plants, that's why they were growing so slow. Have you been putting lots of nutes in the water? If so you'll need to cut the nutes back when you dial the water back or they will get nute burn.

 

[green_thumb...]

They actually still look deficient,and the coco seems dry after 5-8hrs,oh also I'm not watering them a bunch each pot gets prolly 16-18oz of feed. At 400-500ppm

 

[Lazyman]

Yeah, if the nutes are strong enough and they are still show deficiencies, it's too much water most of the time. By allowing the the pot to get light between waterings, the water will be taken up and the food in the medium will become more and more concentrated. The food is probably fine (maybe a bit light) but the dropping the watering will allow them to grow roots and then be able to USE more water and food. Otherwise, it takes plants weeks to grow roots in fairly wet medium. Why would they need to grow more roots if they already have all the water and food they can drink?

 

[green_thumb...]

Yeah good info man,I do wait til the smartpots get light before I water em,this next time I'll just wait til they wilt to water em. So what do you recommend I feed at? Iv been giving them 5ml/gal calmag and 5ml of each A&B dutch master gold its been around like I said 400-500ppm
Oh and 5ml/gal of aquashield

 

[Zen Master]

500 ppm is LOW, I feed clones stronger ppm than that.....


if you've got roots bustin out the side of your smart pot, you can water em till they are HEAVY (for their size) every day....

you shouldn't let them wilt IMO. Its gonna fuck up the root growth you've got already.

when you go to check the weight of a pot, if you can lift it and it feels like its bone dry coco for all 3 gallons, water it, but not a LOT (given the plant size).

if it feels like its still got a quart of water in there, leave it for tomorrow.

once you 'get it' with coco and the certain strains you're working with, its easy peazy.

 

[green_thumb...]

There's not any roots busting out the sides,I thought the roots die off before exiting the sides of smart pots?

So I should bump the nutes up a notch huh? Like 600 or 700ppm?

And yeah that's when I water em when the pot feels light like there's no water in it at all.

I hope to "get it"with coco cuz I'd like to ditch soil all together even for me mums.

I'd also like to master this LVPK and BBK in coco along with a few more I hope to get in my garden such as chemdog IBL,power kush,and a couple others.

Thanks for the advise!! I'll use it up and jot it down in my notebook.

 

[Zen Master]

I had my smart pots on a table when I was using them (DWC right now, got more SP action lined up though) and there were always tips of roots pokin out the sides and bottom. You'll see one start, then as the tip dies and it starts pushing out those herringbone roots you'll see the little tips spread along the path of the new roots.

eventually the outside of the bottom 1/2 of my SP's was always covered with the tips of roots. Thats when you can really get the full benefits of coco and water every day

 

[green_thumb...]

Nice! I was lookin and I see the start of roots pokin out the bottom and I did some light poking around in the coco snd see lots of new root devolpment so I think they should blow up real soon,I'm also gonna bump the nutes.

 

[green_thumb...]

So a little update,everythings still lookin questionable.

I started to see some tip burn so I flushed em all with 4w gallons of tap water,I did 2 a few days ago to see if there would be a difference and there is the 2 I flushed a few days ago are startin to green up a bit and look good,I took out one of the pineapples because it just didn't look good and it pulled right out.


So I'm gonna flush that SP n coco out and throw a sourband iv had in a cup for a week or so in there once its root bound,should be a few more days.

So that's it for the coco part of my garden.

I also have 7gal SP full of a organic soil and a 4 rdwc and a small E&F tray and a 4x4 tent with clones and seedlings so I'm tryin to make it all work.

Ha! Wish me luck eh?

 

[green_thumb...]

So lookin at em today I'm wondering what the ef I'm doin wrong?

I tried just about everything I was told here,they looked malnurished so I fed them and they got burnt a little so I flushed em and they started to look good then today I noticedthey all started lookin like this

So anyone have any ideas as o what I'm doin wrong or what's happening to these?

I'm feeding @ 6-8ml of DMG A&B and 5ml of calmag.