the true hermie?

[igrowone]

so i've seen a few posts here and there that mention the 'true hermie'
it's actually supposed to be fairly rare, if i understand correctly
wondering if any of the experts here might have a concise explanation
i just had a hermie that i decided to finish growing, so it got me curious

 

[organic1]

I don't know if I'm an expert but here's my definition; A plant which changes sex strictly by it's genetic background, not due to light stresses, environmental stresses, or nutrient stresses. Many times this happens in equatorial sativas.

 

[igrowone]

I don't know if I'm an expert but here's my definition; A plant which changes sex strictly by it's genetic background, not due to light stresses, environmental stresses, or nutrient stresses. Many times this happens in equatorial sativas.

thanks for the quick reply, glad of any interest
the impression i got from the few discussions i've seen is there are some distinct structural aspects, but not sure what those might be

 

[Mr.Jones]

a plant hermies du to many reasons: ligth, chemicals, feeding ...

the principal is from what i know a stress reaction - the plant thinks that the enviromental situation is getting bad but wants to sustain so instead of waiting for the pollen of a male to pollinate it it just pollinates itself.

the hermie trait seems to be genetical written down in the DNA and certain plants rather to show this phenomenon than others - for example the original UK Cheese cut cant hermie - its a very true female. if you spray it with collodial silver (the stress chemical of choice) there will be pollensacks but they are empty. Other plants on the other hand hermie spontaniously ...

also its very common for a female to build two genders - but there are just a very few if not no males that are actually able to do this

my guess would be that especially plants that are in danger of not beeing pollinated or of diing before producing a seed are hermimg - the longer the flower time is the more time there is to be not pollinated and be stressed to selfpollinate. for example a hindu kush indica usually has just 50 days to flower anyways and its unlikly that there is time remaining to produce the flower of the other gender ...

i would rather say the true female is the rare one

 

[igrowone]

thanks for that info Mr. Jones, i kind of understood the general info on hermies
what i think i have seen(in a few posts, but knowledgeable breeders) is there some additional male structure present in a true hermie
this may be garbled, not completely sure

 

[igrowone]

i went searching for the posts that triggered this thought, here's one

This is correct, the term "hemaphrodite" as far as cannabis, is incorrect. what we call a hemaphrodite, in botany terms is called a "perfect flower". Let me explain, <br />
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<a href="https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=14261&pictureid=405918" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=14261&pictureid=405918&thumb=1" border="0" alt="" /></a> <br />
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In this lily flower we see both the male parts and the female parts within this one flower. This is a "perfect flower", it is fully capable of reproducing by itself; This is a true hemaphrodite. Cannabis create "imperfect flowers", because the males are on there own flowers as well as the females. So for cannabis it still takes two different flowers (male and female) to reproduce. This is the key difference between the two terms. But because most people that grow cannabis dont read botany book, or any other scientific resources, these false terms get coined and passed as the "truth"

 

[Baba Ku]

Cannabis is an imperfect flower. Due to the intersex gene there is a chance of a true perfect flower expressing from time to time. This perfect flower expression will show both male stamen as well as female pistols on every flower site. This is the true perfect (or hermaphrodite) cannabis flower. A true "hermie" will never have only one gender expression, as will plants expressing the intersex trait.

It is very easy to confuse a plant that is expressing the intersex gene with a true hermaphrodite flower. And the true hermie is almost as rare as the true female.

 

[igrowone]

^^^ that's the beast, not what i have at the moment
got me curious on this unusual trait, seldom seen from what i read
tell you the truth, i couldn't find a post of anyone claiming to have actually seen one, kind of the white whale of MJ

 

[igrowone]

dup

 

[foomar]

This one might just be a true hermaphrodite expression , every budsite a mix of sex , runs true from clone and its own seed.

Interesting but useless freak with a unique smell.

 

[igrowone]

very nice pics foomar, that is one interesting cannabis plant
that looks to be about as 'true' as you can get with MJ

 

[foomar]

Thanks igrowone , its F13 genetics on show and an interesting cross.

Pure Energy ......

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=165270

Same pack produced this headstash resin bomb.

 

[Baba Ku]

This is also an F13/F1 that showed hermie. I thought it may have been a true hermie, but I think it was just heavily intersexed.

Same plant...

 

[bajangreen]

You should find one where weed grows wild.